tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post8516764159452401063..comments2024-03-28T13:18:05.219-04:00Comments on My perspective -- What Constance thinks: BLACKWATER FOUNDER ALLEGEDLY IMPLICATED IN MURDERS OF INFORMANTSConstance Cumbeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comBlogger294125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-83734562151042426952016-07-11T05:55:36.828-04:002016-07-11T05:55:36.828-04:00san francisco 49ers jerseys
tods outlet online
atl...<a href="http://www.sanfrancisco49ersjerseys.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>san francisco 49ers jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.tods-outlet.us.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>tods outlet online</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.atlantafalconsjersey.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>atlanta falcons jersey</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.lakersjerseys.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>los angeles lakers jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.abercrombiefitch-hollister.es" rel="nofollow"><strong>abercrombie and fitch</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.chargersjerseys.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>san diego chargers jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.chicagoblackhawks.us.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>chicago blackhawks jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.cincinnatibengalsjerseys.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>cincinnati bengals jersey</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.cavaliersjerseys.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>cleveland cavaliers</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.vans-shoes.cc" rel="nofollow"><strong>vans outlet</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.houstontexansjerseys.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>texans jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.edhardy.us.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy tshirts</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.celticsjersey.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>boston celtics</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.thunderjerseystore.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>oklahoma city thunder jersey</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.newyorkjetsjersey.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>new york jets jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.airjordan4.org" rel="nofollow"><strong>jordan 4</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.newenglandpatriotsjerseys.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>new england patriots jersey</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.nikeoutletstores.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>nike outlet store</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.clippersjerseystore.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>los angeles clippers jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.airjordan4.org" rel="nofollow"><strong>air jordan 4</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.miamiheatjerseys.net" rel="nofollow"><strong>miami heat jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.abercrombie-fitch.us.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>abercrombie outlet</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.hollistercanada.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>hollister</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.jaguarsjersey.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>jacksonville jaguars jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.airjordan11.net" rel="nofollow"><strong>jordan 11</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.nike-outletonline.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>nike outlet online</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.detroitlionsjerseys.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>lions jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.chicagobearsjerseys.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>chicago bears jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.airjordan13s.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>air jordan 13</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.chicagobullsjerseys.net" rel="nofollow"><strong>chicago bulls</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.lakersjerseys.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>los angeles lakers</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.baltimoreravensjerseys.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>ravens jerseys</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.indianapoliscoltsjersey.us" rel="nofollow"><strong>indianapolis colts jersey</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.edhardy.us.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>ed hardy clothing</strong></a><br /><a href="http://www.miamidolphinsjersey.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>miami dolphins jersey</strong></a><br />czq20160711Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11654116817761044183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-15008821303760746502016-07-06T04:30:00.875-04:002016-07-06T04:30:00.875-04:00"true religion jeans"
"christian lo..."<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>true religion jeans</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>christian louboutin shoes</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>polo ralph lauren</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>louis vuitton handbags</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>abercrombie</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>ralph lauren clearance outlet</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>fitflops</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>jordan 8s</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>coach outlet</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>oakley sunglasses wholesale</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>michael kors outlet online</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>louis vuitton outlet</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>rolex watches outlet</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>michael kors outlet</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>louis vuitton outlet</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>kate spade</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>michael kors outlet</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>kate spade handbags</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>coach outlet</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>coach outlet store online</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>lebron james shoes</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>louboutin pas cher</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>nike trainers</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>cheap jordans</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>louis vuitton outlet</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>michael kors handbags</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>adidas trainers</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>coach factory outlet</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>air jordans</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>jordan 6</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>cheap jordans</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>louis vuitton</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>fake watches</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>michael kors handbags</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>cheap jordan shoes</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>true religion jeans</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>michael kors outlet clearance</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>air jordan retro</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>christian louboutin wedges</strong></a>"<br />"<a href="" rel="nofollow"><strong>michael kors outlet clearance</strong></a>"<br />20167.6chenjinyan<br />Fangyayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519670460652981048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-84033149228778947662009-08-11T18:31:41.694-04:002009-08-11T18:31:41.694-04:008/11/2009
Dear Susanna,
No need for me to commen...8/11/2009<br /><br />Dear Susanna,<br /><br />No need for me to comment!<br /><br />You said it all -- and articulately.<br /><br />LenLennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-42215623695881197332009-08-11T13:06:19.931-04:002009-08-11T13:06:19.931-04:00Re Joyce's comment:"I just want to say th...Re Joyce's comment:<i>"I just want to say that I don't lie or disguise Yeshua to try to make Him "more palatable". <br /><br />Yeshua, the Word became flesh, from the tribe of Judah, a Jew who lived Torah perfectly and then died as a blameless sacrifice to justify the many, does not need to be "lied about". His credentials speak for themselves through the pages of Scripture. What I say about Him, I genuinely believe."</i><br /><br />As a follower of "Messianic Judaism", disguising Jesus Christ to make him more palatable to non-Christians is EXACTLY what Joyce is doing! <br /><br />It is the very essence and raison d'etre of Messianic Judaism to disguise Jesus Christ in order to make Him more palatable to non-Christians!<br /><br />Moreover, even if Joyce has been brainwashed into not defining what she is doing as "lying," that is also EXACTLY what she is doing. And it is IMMORAL!<br /><br />Moreover, whether we are referring to the "British Israel" theory or the "Ten Lost Tribes" theory, she is impicitly peddling one or the other of these theories in such a way as to imply (check out her comments to Len) that the Jews of Israel who do not believe in Jesus Christ somehow have - for that very reason - less of a right to be in Israel than Joyce and her fellow "Messianics."<br /><br />This, my friends, is a very dangerous theory!<br /><br />It is really too bad that Joyce who so "likes to be accurately represented" has made a career out of misrepresenting the religious beliefs of others.Susannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-69627084822636543002009-08-11T10:56:19.934-04:002009-08-11T10:56:19.934-04:00Sorry about the numerous posts, but there are a nu...Sorry about the numerous posts, but there are a number of issues concerning "Joyce" most of which I will not get to respond to, but I do want to address this accusation about me and I won't mention the name of the person who wrote it.. because there is no need. <br /><br />"Lying is NEVER moral.<br /><br />Besides - and I don't care whether we are talking about Catholics or Protestants - the idea of anyone thinking they need to disguise Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in order to make Him more "palatable" to non-Christians is little more than a religious obscenity - also known as "a sacrilege!""<br /><br />I just want to say that I don't lie or disguise Yeshua to try to make Him "more palatable". <br /><br />Yeshua, the Word became flesh, from the tribe of Judah, a Jew who lived Torah perfectly and then died as a blameless sacrifice to justify the many, does not need to be "lied about". His credentials speak for themselves through the pages of Scripture. What I say about Him, I genuinely believe. <br /><br />I present Him accurately, the way He lived as a Jew. I think most theologians would have to agree with that. Jews consider that He was a rabbi of His day.. <br /><br />If He hadn't lived Torah perfectly, His blood atonement would not save us, so it's important to remember that He was the Torah who became flesh. <br /><br />There probably are people that present the gospel in a Jewish way as a "tactic" but I am not one of them. I actually believe every word that I say. I just like to be accurately represented. <br /><br />JoyceJoycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-21426861253756398922009-08-11T10:24:35.136-04:002009-08-11T10:24:35.136-04:00I should qualify my statement.. Not all Jews care ...I should qualify my statement.. Not all Jews care that there are Jews who believe in Yeshua. This tends to be more among the Orthodox Jews, although I have a dear friend who was raised Orthodox and is pretty observant who I discuss these things with. She shares her views and I, mine and we are good friends, so there are exceptions to what I said. <br /><br />When there is a personal relationship with people the differences in opinion are not so important. <br /><br />JoyceJoycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-73939827254459942392009-08-11T10:04:15.361-04:002009-08-11T10:04:15.361-04:00As for any accusations about me being against Jews...As for any accusations about me being against Jews, and my comments being taken out of context, I am a Jew and I am one and very happy to be one. I love the Jewish people, but even in a family we have the right to disagree. I disagree with many of my Jewish family members, and I do mean my blood relatives as well as those from Judaism and from the Messianic Movement as well as those who are "Hebrew Christians". So what! There are those of them who disagree with me too. <br /><br />Some here might want to consider the words of the very wise rabbi Gamiliel:<br /><br />Acts 5:32-39 “And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.” But when they heard this, they were cut to the quick and intended to kill them. But a Pharisee named aGamaliel, a bteacher of the Law, respected by all the people, stood up in cthe Council and gave orders to put the men outside for a short time. And he said to them, “Men of Israel, take care what you propose to do with these men. “For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a group of about four hundred men joined up with him. But he was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. “After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of athe census and drew away some people after him; he too perished, and all those who followed him were scattered. “So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action is of men, it will be overthrown; <br />but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God.” <br /><br /><br />I also believe with all of my heart that Israel has the right to the Land. I believe that God will restore Israel one day in spite of our stiff-necks. I believe the promises are not because WE ARE SO GOOD, but because of who God is and His promises. <br /><br /><br />Deut. 7:6-9 “For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be ba people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. “The LORD did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any of the peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples, but because the LORD loved you and kept the oath which He swore to your forefathers, the LORD brought you out by a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. <br /><br /> Jews who practice rabbinic Judaism, whether they were born into or converted, believe that a Jew who believes in Yeshua is a traitor. They don't mind if the "goy" believe in Yeshua, but when someone like me comes along and says I believe that Yeshua is the Promised Messiah and that He is deity, they consider this not only blasphemy, but they find it a threat. They consider people like me to be aiding Hitler. That has been said on this blog... when in fact my own family were killed by Hitler. <br /><br />Love, does not mean agreeing with everything another says. Yeshua loved His people and often was very, very direct in speaking truth to them.. but He wept over Jerusalem knowing the destruction and judgement that was coming upon it... <br /><br />I even believe those who are not physical descendants of Judah have a right to attach themselves to the family and live as full members of the family, so there is NO racism on my part, NO anti-semitism, No superiority complex because I happen to be a Jew...Others can be grafted in too!!!<br /><br />Because I am incredibly opinionated and I believe the Bible ( Bereshit through Revelations) I don't believe there are 1000 different ways to be saved. I believe salvation is in ONE name and ONE Name only, and that is in the name of Yeshua, and I just happen to be a Jew. So shoot me..<br />JoyceJoycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-3506792568633269882009-08-11T09:23:52.731-04:002009-08-11T09:23:52.731-04:00Constance,
I presented you with some verses from S...Constance,<br />I presented you with some verses from Scripture. What I'm suggesting is that yes, there are groups that have misused the verses from Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, etc. nonetheless, these verses in the Bible have a meaning. <br /><br />I have not heard anyone offer a viable interpretation to these verses, other than the one I have provided. My interpretation doesn't correspond with any British identity groups. I've never mentioned the British in any of my interpretation. Scripture interprets Scripture and this is what I've presented. <br /><br />Here are the facts:<br />1. the Northern and Southern Kingdoms were divided after Solomon's death.<br />2.The Northern Kingdom went into Assyrian exile and didn't return<br />3. Southern kingdom several hundred years later went into Babylonian exile and did return partially. <br />4. God says that at some future time these two kingdoms will be reunited. <br />5. There is no time in history, where corporately, these two kingdoms have be reunited, but Ezekiel says they will be united and live in peace once more under a davidic king.. I'll leave all of you to decide who this davidic king is...<br /><br />There are more facets to this, but I will keep it simple right now. <br /><br />The Orthodox Jews believe the 10 tribes will come back and even have people who go and try to find them. <br /><br />Some believe they will never come back, but don't have an explanations for the numerous verses that say they will. <br /><br />British Israelism, a racist theory says that the David's line is continued in the European monarchies. This is FALSE in my opinion. I believe that the "sceptre not departing from Judah" Gen 39 was fulfilled in Yeshua. They have some long convoluted legend about Jeremiah going to Ireland and anointing Jacob's stone. I DO NOT, I emphasize, DO NOT believe this, nor have I ever said anything about the British. That is more likely to be part of a deception that could give rise to a false messiah from European monarchy... ( at least a possibility) . <br /><br />Here are several more verses in addition to those I have provided which confirm Ezekiel 37.<br /><br />Zech. 10:6-9 “I will astrengthen the house of Judah, <br /> And I will save the house of Joseph, <br /> And I will bring them back, <br /> Because I have had compassion on them; <br /> And they will be as though I had enot rejected them, <br /> For I am the LORD their God and I will answer them. <br /> “Ephraim will be like a mighty man, <br /> And their heart will be glad as if from wine; <br /> Indeed, their children will see it and be glad, <br /> Their heart will rejoice in the LORD. <br /> “I will whistle for them to gather them together, <br /> For I have redeemed them; <br /> And they will be as numerous as they 1cwere before. “When I scatter them among the peoples, <br /> They will remember Me in far countries, <br /> And they with their children will live and come back. <br /><br />I especially like this verse in light of all the arguments about land in the Land of Israel:<br /><br />Zech. 10:10 “I will bring them back from the land of Egypt And gather them from Assyria; <br />And I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon Until no room can be found for them. <br /><br />Either God will accomplish His Word or He won't. I just take His Word in faith and believe what He says even if it runs contrary to human logic.. He's God, and He's able. <br /><br />JoyceJoycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-15923452382639680462009-08-11T08:48:30.018-04:002009-08-11T08:48:30.018-04:008/11/2009
Craig wrote: "I did want to say th...8/11/2009<br /><br />Craig wrote: "I did want to say that I didn't mean to come across as smug; "<br /><br />Dear Craig,<br /><br />I did not use the word as an insult. I have the most re4spect for you. "Smug" also means complacent. I wanted you to know that, though I agreed with Vs. 24 as implying a messiah that my agreement did not extend to Vss. 25and 26; verses some Christians interptret as referring to <br />Jesus.<br /><br />Since not all Christians including scholars share such an interpretation, and you may be one of them, I will not pursue the point.<br /><br />Thanks for participating in this enjoyable discussion.<br /><br />LenLennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-41751133263375039842009-08-10T20:07:29.348-04:002009-08-10T20:07:29.348-04:00Len @ 4:04 & 4:05pm:
I want to get back with ...Len @ 4:04 & 4:05pm:<br /><br />I want to get back with you; but, I've been very busy today. Hopefully, later this evening I'll have the time.<br /><br />I did want to say that I didn't mean to come across as smug; but, I see that how I worded some of the things in the last post came across that way. Please accept my apologies. I don't know much about Judaism; and, I don't profess to know that much about Christianity. But, I'm willing to learn!Craignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-8168242724784565922009-08-10T20:03:22.219-04:002009-08-10T20:03:22.219-04:00Too All-
It has take a long time to get through al...Too All-<br />It has take a long time to get through all the posts since I last posted.<br /><br />Doug--<br />You have said what I wanted to say.<br /><br />Susanna<br />I echo your sentiments.<br />And as from my perspective Dorothy has never acted with anything but kindness towards me. And she knows all too well where I stand. <br /><br />I will also agree (although I have learned much through Len and Craig discussion), that we should get back to talking about the New Age.<br /><br />Don't you think they love our bickering and love Obama's new death... I mean health care plan?Dawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13184934943342018936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-1518521405155828512009-08-10T19:21:12.109-04:002009-08-10T19:21:12.109-04:00Susanna, Doug Len, and others who posted anonymous...Susanna, Doug Len, and others who posted anonymously,<br />Thanks for the support. <br />As a religion that others follow, Christianity has been very valuable in teaching its followers important lessons on being and doing good. It provides guidelines that are wise. I can only say positive things about Jesus as a role model. For reasons I will not discuss because there is no need to, I do not accept him as God. <br /><br />I will not continuously stand by and see the value of Judaism diminished in the eyes of readers here because Jews do not believe Jesus is God, or part of God is a person goes with trinity beliefs. <br /><br />Only one person does that continuously, and that is Joyce. Another chimes in occasionally. <br /><br />Joyce doesn't want to give details about her business and personal life. Those of us who know the details, also know why. Her personal life doesn't matter. It's her business life that needs airing because of its connection with her posts here. But for now it's not going to happen.<br /><br />DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-29505291944453334262009-08-10T19:08:51.619-04:002009-08-10T19:08:51.619-04:00The discussion lately has been about differences b...The discussion lately has been about differences between Judiasm and Christianity (other than that blip on the recent radar screen here) and I have learned from the conversations - I have appreciated them especially when it is a simple discussion, without cuts or snipes of any kind, from anyone.<br /><br />DouginMIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-20715040985797373322009-08-10T18:49:20.998-04:002009-08-10T18:49:20.998-04:00Constance,
sniped, snip·ing, snipes
1. To shoot at...Constance,<br />sniped, snip·ing, snipes<br />1. To shoot at individuals from a concealed place.<br />2. To shoot snipe.<br />3. To make malicious, underhand remarks or attacks.<br /><br />Snipe #1<br />"Len knows that I know what I'm talking about....but he may or may not admit it."<br /><br />Snipe #2<br />"It's important to know where salvation comes from. Many Jews cannot accept Yeshua because of centuries of programming. This battle is a spiritual one."<br /><br />Snipe #3<br />"Most Orthodox Jews do understand that the tribes have to come back, but they try to call them Jews, when Scripture calls them by their tribal name and doesn't call them Jews."<br /><br />Snipe #4<br />"Torah, without Yeshua cannot save us.. Torah is good and holy, as Paul says, but without Yeshua it condemns us to death...like eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil."<br /><br />And these just in the last section of the thread. <br /><br />If you don't want sniping, you know how to stop it. If you don't want to stop it, don't complain when others have to step in. <br /><br />Len and Craig are having a very good discussion on the differences between Judaism and Christianity. They respectfully approach the topic,clarifying, disagreeing, moving on. They do not feel the need to put digs at each other into the discussion. <br /><br />Joyce's posts are full of snide remarks about Jews and Judaism, unclear, and in error. <br /><br />So you can feel good about putting us on the same level, here's a nice snide remark about Joyce. There are many parallels between her and Obama. Anonymous, makes no verifiable background available, charismatic, uses hypnotic speech, targets enemies, refuses to dialogue with opponents, assumes a powerful stance, accepts no challenges to perceived authority and reaches out to different audiences with a different personna. <br /><br />So sorry. The topic should be New Age, but it hasn't been for a long time. <br /><br />DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-43019217678211259842009-08-10T18:39:55.722-04:002009-08-10T18:39:55.722-04:00DouginMI
I couldn't agree with you more.
Unl...DouginMI<br /><br />I couldn't agree with you more.<br /><br />Unless the Jewish community had been living exclusively in some remote part of the world - or under a rock - it certainly has heard about Christianity.<br /><br />The Jewish people don't need someone getting in their faces in order to learn about Christ if that is their free choice. <br /><br />When a person is born and brought up in a particular religion and remains honestly faithful to it, he is said to be "living to the highest good that he knows." He is also living according to "the faith of his fathers." <br /><br />And what is the Fourth Commandment? <br /><br />"Honor thy father and thy mother."<br /><br />I think we need to be very careful about interpreting Holy writ in such a way as to place limitations on God's Goodness, Mercy and Love.<br /><br />I remember wanting to applaud the first time I read Constance's book HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW where she wrote ( and I am paraphrasing here )that there might be a few surprises on Judgement Day in terms of some honest pagan who did the best he could with the little knowledge he had standing joyous and redeemed while apostate "Christians" are left standing on the outside looking in.<br /><br />A wonderful example of this is embodied in C. S. Lewis' CHRONICLES OF NARNIA - THE LAST BATTLE.<br /><br /><i>“So I went over much grass and many flowers and among all kinds of wholesome and delectable trees till lo! in a narrow place between two rocks there came to meet me a great Lion. The speed of him was like the ostrich, and his size as an elephant’s; his hair was like pure gold and the brightness of his eyes like gold that is liquid in the furnace. He was more terrible than the Flaming Mountain of Lagour, and in beauty he surpassed all that is in the world even as the rose in bloom surpasses the dust of the desert.Then I fell at his feet and thought, Surely this is the hour of death, for the Lion (who is worthy of all honour) will know that I have served Tash all my days and not him. Nevertheless, it is better to see the Lion and die than to be Tisroc of the world and live and not to have seen him. But the Glorious One bent down his golden head and touched my forehead with his tongue and said, Son, thou art welcome. But I said, Alas Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash. He answered, Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me. Then by reasons of my great desire for wisdom and understanding, I overcame my fear and questioned the Glorious One and said, Lord, is it then true, as the Ape said, that thou and Tash are one? The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, It is false. Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites, I take to me the services which thou hast done to him. For I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him. Therefore if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath’s sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted. Dost thou understand, Child? I said, Lord, though knowest how much I understand. But I said also (for the truth constrained me), Yet I have been seeking Tash all my days. Beloved, said the Glorious One, unless they desire had been for me thou wouldst not have sought so long and so truly. For all find what the truly seek.</i>Susannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-37888108405022198022009-08-10T18:17:52.816-04:002009-08-10T18:17:52.816-04:00Dear Joyce,
"Manassah", "two stick...Dear Joyce,<br /><br />"Manassah", "two sticks," "divided kingdom", Ephraim, etc,etc., I've read it all for the past 28 years in Manifest Sons of God literature and I have a huge collection of same.<br /><br />ConstanceConstance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-38531987431757150002009-08-10T18:16:13.875-04:002009-08-10T18:16:13.875-04:00Let's not single Dorothy and Len out for being...Let's not single Dorothy and Len out for being Jewish, nor Susanna for being Catholic (the Catholics are looking very good in this mess!), nor others for being fundamentalist or "evangelical." There are no perfect churches because there are no perfect people. If I were paid by the migraines caused by the intramural sniping, I would be a very wealthy woman. I am not. I am for tact. However, I require nobody here to bow and say, "that's YOUR reality." That's the New Age line, not mine!<br /><br />ConstanceConstance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-79676146812515480442009-08-10T18:09:20.076-04:002009-08-10T18:09:20.076-04:00Purple Monster is absolutely right.
I have never ...Purple Monster is absolutely right.<br /><br />I have never made any secret of the fact that as a Catholic Christian I embrace Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior, and never once has Dorothy or Len EVER indicated that they found my belief in Jesus Christ repugnant even if, as Jews, they didn't happen to agree with it.<br /><br />Dorothy is also absolutely right about the fact that my criticisms of Joyce have NEVER in any way been intended to mean that I hate Joyce.<br /><br />I recall that Dorothy once said something quite profound that I just as profoundly agree with. <br /><br />She said that it is an evil thing to undermine or destroy someone's religious beliefs.<br /><br />If I were not a believer in Jesus Christ, I don't think I could EVER become one if the only "Jesus" I ever experienced was at the hands of someone who had been trained to pretend to be something he/she was not while condemning everybody who didn't happen to agree that this was a perfectly moral thing to do.<br /><br />Lying is NEVER moral.<br /><br />Besides - and I don't care whether we are talking about Catholics or Protestants - the idea of anyone thinking they need to disguise Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in order to make Him more "palatable" to non-Christians is little more than a religious obscenity - also known as "a sacrilege!"Susannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-55539221811862513962009-08-10T16:32:59.747-04:002009-08-10T16:32:59.747-04:00I do not understand why there is a push to single ...I do not understand why there is a push to single out Dorothy (or even Len) for being Jewish.<br />Yes – they are both Jews – that is their choice – they were raised Jewish (I am guessing on that one) they are more than aware what Christians think about the Messiah (just read their posts) and no, we are not going to agree on some things.<br />Perhaps some one has felt “lead” to state the Gospel to either of them – ok, perhaps you did that and they answered, maybe not in a way that you think they should but that is not up to you – that is up to them – move on.<br />Dorothy has been in the fight longer than most of us I would venture to say, perhaps Len also. They have devoted their time and talent to the fight and have posted some of their info here – all I can say to Dorothy (and Len, he has kindly answered questions I have openly asked) is; Thank You - may the Lord God bless you and your family.<br /><br />DouginMIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-25555048759250204072009-08-10T16:05:27.665-04:002009-08-10T16:05:27.665-04:00Daniel, making his computations in 3390, was confu...Daniel, making his computations in 3390, was confused because he thought the two Jeremiah 70-year prophecies, those of Jer. 25:12 and 29:10, were identical.<br /><br />Here they are:<br /><br />25:12 When the 70 years are over, I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation and the land of the Chaldeans for their sins -- says Hashem --, and I will make it for everlasting devastation.<br /><br />29:10 For thus says Hashem: When Babylon’s 70 years are over, I will take note of you, and I will fulfill to you My good word toward you, to restore you to this place.<br /><br />These sound like the same 70 at first glance; right? However they are NOT the same. Jer. 25:12 refers to the years from Nebuchadnezzar’s ascendance, and capture of Jerusalem, in 3320, to Cyrus’ defeat of Babylon’s Balshazzar in 3390 (Ref. Timeline 5). This prophecy is about the end of Babylon and the ascendancy of Persia.<br /><br />Jer. 29:10 refers to the years from the destruction of the First Temple in 3338 (17 years after Jerusalem’s destruction) to authorization, by Darius the Persian, to rebuild the Temple in 3408. Incidentally, this Darius was Queen Esther’s son. She had married Ahasuerus in the Book of Esther.<br /><br />The key to identifying Jer. 29:10 with the Temple is the use of the term “word,” d’var in Hebrew. Note this is the same term used in Dan:9:2.<br /><br />When Daniel saw 3390 come and go with no temple in sight he was very upset and prayed, thinking the Jewish sins to be so bad that Gd had canceled Jeremiah’s prophecy. (Dan. 9:4-20). Beginning with Vs. 22, Gabriel corrects Daniel’s misunderstanding.<br /><br />Dan. 9:24-26.<br /><br />Vs. 24:<br /><br />“Seventy septets have been decreed upon your people and upon [Jerusalem] to terminate transgression, to end sin, to wipe away iniquity, to bring everlasting righteousness, to confirm the visions and prophets, and to anoint the Holy of Holies.”<br /><br />This sounds like a different subject but it is not. Seventy septets amount to 490 years. The 70-year Jeremiah 29:10 prophecy amounts to the first 70 of these 490. Gabriel confirmed that, after the 70 years, the Temple will be rebuilt (in 3408), but it will survive for only 420 more (till 3828). This is an approximate number with more exact prophecies given in Vss. 25-26.Lennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-71357518527534430692009-08-10T16:04:30.792-04:002009-08-10T16:04:30.792-04:008/10/2009
Craig wrote: “So, we agree that 9:24 is...8/10/2009<br /><br />Craig wrote: “So, we agree that 9:24 is a Messianic prophetic text. Good!”<br /><br />But we probably do not agree about the identity of the “anointed” in 9:25-26 so dong feel too smug<br /><br />>>You wrote: Anointing the Holy of Holies (the Third Temple) (Is. 2:2,3)<br />1) Where is the Ark of the Covenant? My understanding is that it was never found when the temple was destroyed in 70AD.<br /><br />I have no clue and it does not matter. We know how to build arks. Every synagogue has one.<br /><br />>>2) How do you know the Isaiah verses refer to the Third Temple? In context, wouldn't it be the second (see 3 below)?<br /><br />Isaiah 11:4f are messianic prophecies.<br />4 And he shall judge the poor justly, and he shall chastise with equity the humble of the earth, and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth and with the breath of his lips he shall put the wicked to death. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faith the girdle of his loins. 6 And a wolf shall live with a lamb, and a leopard shall lie with a kid; and a calf and a lion cub and a fatling [shall lie] together, and a small child shall lead them.<br /><br />You can agree with me on this because these did not occur during the Second Temple era.<br /><br />3) Going back to 9:24: 'Seventy 'sevens' are decreed:' decreed by whom? In context, this looks like the decree of Cyrus, King of Persia in Ezra 1:2-3.<br /><br />If you read Dan 9 from the beginning you would see that they were decreed by the angel Gabriel.<br /><br />To understand the later verses we need to look carefully at 9:1: “In the first year of Darius son of Ahasuerus of the offspring of Media, who was made king over the region of the Chaldeans, in the first year of his reign, I Daniel contemplated the calculations, the number of years about which the word of Hashem had come to the prophet, Jeremiah, to complete the seventy years since Jerusalem’s ruin.”<br /><br />This is confusing for several reasons. First there were two kings named Ahasuerus and two named Darius. Second there were two 70-year Jeremiah prophecies. If you own the ArtScroll Tanakh, this explanation will be easier to understand if you look at the timelines given in Appendix A (Timelines 4 and 5 on pages 2026 and 2027 respectively). <br /><br />We can deduce that Daniel’s calculations occurred during the first Darius’ reign (Darius the Mede) because Dan. 1:21 states that Daniel was there only till Cyrus’ first year and the second Darius, the Persian, reigned about 15 years later. This is explained in the ArtScroll commentary.<br /><br />Darius the Mede, reigned in the year 3390 from “creation.” This is the default standard in the ArtScroll Tanakh and I will use this system. There is a discrepancy between biblical and “historical” dates around this time but this is another subject I will not get into here.<br /><br />continuedLennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-38935410693329874702009-08-10T15:39:43.908-04:002009-08-10T15:39:43.908-04:00Dorothy,
You just might be surprised!
ConstanceDorothy,<br /><br />You just might be surprised!<br /><br />ConstanceConstance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-77615150262556074252009-08-10T15:20:41.199-04:002009-08-10T15:20:41.199-04:00Constance,
I want to present you with some verses...Constance, <br />I want to present you with some verses so that you can see what I am talking about which is nowhere near the two theologies that you mention. The text is what I am focusing on. I don't have theories about British being Israelites:<br /><br />1Kings 11:31 He said to Jeroboam, “Take for yourself ten pieces; for thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, ‘Behold, aI will tear the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon and give you ten tribes.<br /><br />Jeroboam was an Ephraimite.<br /><br />Gen. 48:14 But Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it on the head of Ephraim, who was the younger, and his left hand on Manasseh’s head, 1crossing his hands, 2although aManasseh was the firstborn. <br />Gen. 48:15 He blessed Joseph, and said, <br /> “aThe God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, <br /> bThe God who has been my shepherd 1all my life to this day, <br />Gen. 48:16 aThe angel who has redeemed me from all evil, <br /> bBless the lads; <br /> And may my name 1live on in them, <br /> And the 2names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; <br /> And cmay they grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.” <br />Gen. 48:17 ¶ When Joseph saw that his father alaid his right hand on Ephraim’s head, it displeased him; and he grasped his father’s hand to remove it from Ephraim’s head to Manasseh’s head. <br />Gen. 48:18 Joseph said to his father, “Not so, my father, for this one is the firstborn. Place your right hand on his head.” <br />Gen. 48:19 But his father refused and said, “I know, my son, I know; he also will become a people and he also will be great. However, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and ahis 1descendants shall become a multitude of nations.” <br /><br /><br />Ezek. 37:18 “When the sons of your people speak to you saying, ‘Will you not declare to us awhat you mean by these?’ <br />Ezek. 37:19 say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will put them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.”’ <br />Ezek. 37:20 “The sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes. <br />Ezek. 37:21 “Say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I will atake the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; <br />Ezek. 37:22 and I will make them aone nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and bone king will be king for all of them; and they will no longer be two nations and no longer be divided into two kingdoms. <br /><br />I'm on the run and there's a lot more verses I could give you to show that the kingdom is divided and the 10 tribes did not return from Assyrian exile as a nation, but if you are unaware of this prophecy you will see it all over Scripture once you begin to look. This should NOT be, and I emphasize NOT be confused with British Israelism. As far as MSOG, there is nothing that I have in common with that movement, but I don't have time to write about that now. <br /><br />Jews are 2 1/2 tribes with some possible mixing or crossing over from Northern Kingdom, but God promises to restore the divided kingdom. We cannot simply ignore the huge number of verses that deal with this subject, not to mention the whole book of Hosea. <br /><br />Len knows that I know what I'm talking about....but he may or may not admit it. He doesn't agree about Yeshua, but Orthodox know that the kingdom was divided and the tribes must come back. I haven't not specified from where because I believe they're scattered all over the earth. <br /><br />God will gather Israel and Judah from the four corners of the earth...<br /><br />Once you see it, you will see it all over the place. <br /><br />This is the covenant of shalom,<br /><br />JoyceJoycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-16519823190653807762009-08-10T15:19:20.031-04:002009-08-10T15:19:20.031-04:00If we need to be floating in the air for the Chris...If we need to be floating in the air for the Christian messiah and <br />THE WORLD WILL OBEY ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE TORAH ENTHUSIASTICALLY for the Jewish messiah, I think we are going to have a very long wait for either one. It's not going to happen in my lifetime. <br /><br />DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-89075425746712709062009-08-10T15:06:57.642-04:002009-08-10T15:06:57.642-04:00Constance, you wrote:
"BUT, with that being s...Constance, you wrote:<br />"BUT, with that being said, I believe God judges our motives, our hearts, and our intents and only HE knows those."<br /><br />Constance, you are a lawyer who is constantly called to make judgments and to present your conclusions before judges. I don't think you would get very far telling a judge, "You must let him walk because only God know the defendant's motives and intent." <br /><br />If we want to know what is going on in our world, we must carefully watch and then make judgments, hopefully more correct than wrong; otherwise we walk through life like zombies. <br /><br />While the comment you made is very idealistic and suggests God will make a final judgment on all of us, he did give us guidelines which we can use to make judgments as we go through life.<br /><br />We cannot run away from the guidelines, commandments, given to us just to make life easier for ourselves.<br /><br />DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com