tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post8332496277420671246..comments2024-03-28T05:36:09.069-04:00Comments on My perspective -- What Constance thinks: BREAKING NEWS - BUSH ADMINISTRATION SAYS 'PUNITIVE MEASURES' NEEDED AGAINST IRANConstance Cumbeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-42208584094397914052018-10-10T02:43:39.234-04:002018-10-10T02:43:39.234-04:00Thank you for the various information, hopefully u...Thank you for the various information, hopefully useful for everyone<br /><br /><a href="https://caramengobatipenyakitsecaraalami.com/cara-tradisional-untuk-mengobati-penyakit-emboli-paru-secara-efektif-serta-aman-tanpa-efek-samping/" rel="nofollow">Cara Mengobati Emboli Paru</a><br /><a href="https://caramengobatipenyakitsecaraalami.com/tips-untuk-mengobati-fibrosis-paru-dengan-obat-herbal-alami-aman-dikonsumsi-tanpa-efek-samping/" rel="nofollow">Pengobatan Atasi Penyakit Fibrosis Paru</a>Pengobatan Atasi Masalah Dispepsiahttp://www.khasiatqncjellygamat.com/tips-alami-untuk-mengatasi-masalah-dispepsia-secara-efektif-tepat-tanpa-efek-samping-obat-dispepsia/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-23073508273786529242008-08-13T15:32:00.000-04:002008-08-13T15:32:00.000-04:00Dorothy,I think the Peacock Cult does have relevan...Dorothy,<BR/><BR/>I think the Peacock Cult does have relevance to what we are talking about because I think that the cult in England that we are looking for may indeed be connected in some way to Yazidism/The Peacock Angel Cult which was reportedly smuggled into England in 1913 by "a mysterious Syrian." <BR/><BR/>It may even be one and the same cult -especially on account of hints I have come across that appear to tie it directly and/or indirectly to H.P. Blavatsky vis a vis "Master Morya" ("Morya" = "Peacock") and Sri Aurobindo the spiritual partner of The Mother who was a student of Max Theon. <BR/><BR/>The Mother claimed that H.P. Blavatsky was also one of Max Theon's students and that Theon taught Blavatsky the "Kabbalah."<BR/><BR/>But here I want to make a distinction regarding "Kabbalah"....namely that the so-called "Kabbalah" reportedly taught to Blavatsky by Theon was likely a "Kabbalah" of the "Sabbatean/Frankist" kind - especially in light of the orders founded by Theon and his alleged ties to "Fratres Lucis" and the "Asiatic Brethren."<BR/><BR/>ABOUT THE FRANKISTS<BR/><BR/>http://www.porges.net/Frankists.html <BR/>_____________________________<BR/><BR/>"Edward D. Hoch's 1965 short novel, People of the Peacock, featured an "Order of the Peacock Angel" which matches the description given in Secret Societies Yesterday and Today:<BR/><BR/>The society had an uncertain origin in the area that is now Syria and Iraq, some hundreds of years ago. It was imported into England by a mysterious Syrian back in 1913, and has enjoyed some success there. ... The rites of the Peacock Angel consist mostly of white-robed worshippers dancing madly before an eight-foot ebony statue of a peacock. [2]<BR/><BR/>The novel describes a chapter of the organization in the United States run by a British emigrant.<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/5kf55k<BR/>________________________________<BR/><BR/><BR/>Yasidism appears to be a branch of Sufism (heretical "gnosticised' Islam). Yazidism is reportedly regarded as "devil worship" by followers of authentic Islam.<BR/><BR/>http://i-cias.com/e.o/uyazidism.htm<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi<BR/><BR/>________________________________<BR/><BR/>THE PURE BRETHREN OF BASRA:<BR/>Isma'ili, Yezidi, Sufi.<BR/><BR/>"...Can we lay out a system that approximates the Yezidi religion, including its magical practices? Well, no. Not really. Nor would we, if we could. There are recent works available, in the above $100 range, that may assist one in piecing this together. <BR/><BR/>In our own Western Occult Traditions, we can draw from elements in the classical Agrippa Magical system, and, later, in the Golden Dawn Magical system. Further, we can derive from elements to be found in the esoteric materials Albert Pike wrote, including Morals and Dogma, The Magnum Opus, The Liturgies of the AASR, the Legenda and Readings of the AASR, Sepher ha-Debarim, or the Book of the Words; Lecture on Masonic Symbolism, etc. These are all available in reprint editions elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>Also, one can study the writings of Max Theon, who seems to have gotten some of this tradition, and to have embodied it in his Cosmic Tradition series. And, too, one of his spiritual descendants, Sri Aurobindo, whose writings are pure gems of nectar. <BR/><BR/>Finally, we can turn to Gurdjieff, and derive plenty, and enjoy ourselves as we go, if we know that the object is not in being a student, or a disciple of the teachings, but lies in being a Master, for how can one aspire to Mastery if one does not possess it to begin with, yea, how can one aspire to Mastery if one does not possess it to begin with?....read more....."<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/5zpdub<BR/>________________________________<BR/><BR/>From the following article, it would appear that Yazidism has certain similarities to the angel-worshipping/angel-invokong "Martinism" of Martinez de Pasqually who founded the "Elus Cohen" groups in Europe in the 18th-century. Pasqually's Martinism is believed to have become a key element of Voudon - a.k.a. "Voodoo" vis a vis groups Pasqually is said to have established in Haiti after he moved there in 1772 due to an ever increasing amount of internal conflicts and strides within<BR/>the Elus Cohen Order.<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/6rxwqb<BR/><BR/>MARTINEZ PASQUALLY AND LES CHEVALIERS ELUS COHEN <BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/54t3fe<BR/>________________________________<BR/><BR/>Many of the people Blavatsky was associated with - such as Papus - were Martinists as well as Theosophists.<BR/><BR/>There was a Louis Claude de St. Martin who was a disciple of Martinez de Pasqually and formed his own group which was less "theurgically" ("magickally") oriented. "Martinism" can be used to refer the groups founded by both of these men, but Pasqually's "Martinism" has the most resemblance to Sabbatean/Frankism on account of its reported "sex-magickal" practices......a kind of prelude to those of the O.T.O. <BR/><BR/>In your post you said:<BR/><BR/>" Maybe I just can't believe that supposedly high level people can believe in such stupid things."<BR/><BR/>I think it was G. K. Chesterton who once said that when people stop believing in God, they do not simply start believing in "nothing." They start believing in "anything."<BR/><BR/>Perhaps one entree of the Peacock Angel Cult into English high society was through Max Theon's wife Alma Theon - nee Mary Chrystine Woodroffe Ware (or Miriam Lin Woodroffe.<BR/>____________________________<BR/>"Without her abilities, the Tradition and the Cosmic Philosophy would never have come about. She was a young English (or Irish?) poetess when she and Théon were introduced at one of the parties of London's high society. There was an instant raport, a deep-seated deep-seated harmony of being and connection as soulmates. By May 1884 Max and Alma were going to theatre together. On 21 March 1885, they were married, with Alma's long-time friend Teresa as one of the two witnesses. The three of them stayed at Alma's residence.at Marylebone for a while, before relocating the following year to the Continent. In December 1887, the Théons left France for Algiers. After several months' search they finally found a place in the suburbs of Tlemcen. They acquired, in Madame Théon's name, a large villa on a hillside with extensive grounds. On May 1, 1889, they moved to Zarif, in Tlemcen. It was there that the real work of dissemination of occult knowledge began.....read more.....<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/5wmj3lAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-55731172681147504872008-08-13T09:42:00.000-04:002008-08-13T09:42:00.000-04:00PEACOCK CULTIf you get a chance, see if you can ge...PEACOCK CULT<BR/>If you get a chance, see if you can get the Secret Societies book out of the library. <BR/><BR/>Before I try to get a used copy of the book you pointed to, I think I'll see if I can get it through interlibrary loan. <BR/><BR/>I wouldn't have put the two together, but maybe it's worthwhile checking to see if there are any clues there. Maybe I just can't believe that supposedly high level people can believe in such stupid things. Plese contact me through Constance so we don't lose a follow-up on this. For me it's one of those unsolved things that just lingers but doesn't seem to have relevance to what we are talking about on this blog.<BR/><BR/>Dorothy<BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-46231881727810944732008-08-12T19:15:00.000-04:002008-08-12T19:15:00.000-04:00Dorothy,Get a load out of this one! Scroll down t...Dorothy,<BR/><BR/>Get a load out of this one! Scroll down to...... <BR/><BR/>The Truth Behind the Christ Myth: The Redemption of the Peacock Angel<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/6d6tzuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-14209308981482679802008-08-12T10:02:00.000-04:002008-08-12T10:02:00.000-04:00Dorothy,The only other Peacock Cult I am aware of ...Dorothy,<BR/><BR/>The only other Peacock Cult I am aware of associated with England is a certain Peacock cult associated with "Master Morya" the guru of H.B. Blavatsky. She claims to have met him in London. "Morya" means "peacock."<BR/><BR/>I am now intrigued, so I am going to do some more digging, because this grouop may have been mentioned by Sri Aurobindo, but for now here is a link that I hope you will find helpful. <BR/><BR/>I have to run for now, but I will be checking in later. Have a good read.<BR/><BR/>Susanna<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoryaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-80255568706535118492008-08-11T22:43:00.000-04:002008-08-11T22:43:00.000-04:00SUSANNAYou have a wide range of knowledge about my...SUSANNA<BR/>You have a wide range of knowledge about mysticism, gnosticism, secret societies, etc.<BR/>It's a long shot I know, but did you ever come across information about a Peacock cult in England? It doesn't seem to be connected with the Cult of the Peacock Angel or the Yezidi tribes. When I read the essay about the cult in Daraul's (pseudonym) book, I tried to get more information, but none was available. <BR/><BR/>This was the book:<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Peacock_Angel<BR/><BR/>This is the author:<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkon_Daraul <BR/><BR/>The cult seems to have been composed of very wealthy people. Some have suggested the information was actually fictional. Shah (real name) seems to have traveled in circles where such things could be found. <BR/><BR/>The description of the group was very intriguing. If you ever came across anything connected, please let me know.<BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-90067466415939168702008-08-11T20:11:00.000-04:002008-08-11T20:11:00.000-04:00Dorothy,LOL! I have a hard time envisioning Madel...Dorothy,<BR/><BR/>LOL! I have a hard time envisioning Madelaine Albright in an orgy myself. <BR/><BR/>I vaguely knew about Sabbatai Tzvi as I studied gnosticism, but until recently I didn't know he started a movement continued in the person of his heir Jacob Frank.<BR/><BR/>This was because the focus of my studies was on apostate Catholic occultists, not apostate Jewish ones.<BR/><BR/>The "orgy and sin" stories are part of the gnostic tradition in general that originated with the pre-Christian Eastern pagan mystery cults, wormed their way into the Greco-Roman cultures (they were even despised by honest pagans who lived according to the Natural Law), and finally tried to Judaism Christianity and Islam but were not entirely successful in doing so with any of the Abrahamic reigions. <BR/><BR/>This is because the gnostic fraud is easily exposed by pointing out that in the last analysis what gnostics claimed to KNOW is something which in the last analysis is no less a matter of FAITH than the divinely revealed Torah or New Testament or even the Koran which followers of Islam believe to be Divinely revealed. <BR/><BR/>These antinomian Sabbatean blasphemers are not authentic Jews and as for the so-called "mysticism" they espouse....well.....the devil also has his "mystics." <BR/><BR/>We Catholics have more than our fair share of these critters pretending to be "Catholic" as do other religious groups! <BR/><BR/>Whether they pretend to be Jewish, Christian, Islamic, it is almost invariably the SAME CIRCUS WITH DIFFERENT CLOWNS, and, as the Irish would say, "the woods is full of 'em!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-28922069439415774252008-08-11T17:02:00.000-04:002008-08-11T17:02:00.000-04:00SUSANNAThe only person I know who writes about the...SUSANNA<BR/>The only person I know who writes about the Sabbateans is Barry Chamish, Rabbi Antelman's friend. I knew nothing about the group until I read Antelman's book. Chamish writes about the Jews who are selling Israel out as being part of that group. The orgy and sin stories appear to have no ongoing history after their original appearance in the past. <BR/><BR/>While the idea of orgies might sound titilating, the people Chamish names as possible Sabbateans are old. Madelaine Albright in an orgy doesn't quite make porn film material.<BR/><BR/>Serious study of Kabbalah has so many restrictions on it that it appears to be done mostly by old Orthodox rabbis who have spent their days studying the Torah and Talmud in great depth. Stories in Jewish publications are about the history of it. I've never heard a rabbi give a sermon using material from it. <BR/><BR/>Understanding what the Orthodox write can be difficult. Here are a few lines from a frum humor website on how to mess with BTs, that is Baal Teshuvahs.<BR/><BR/>"Hide all the transliterated siddurim and give them one of those free breslover ones the dudes hand out in the street,<BR/><BR/>Alleviate their fears by saying the prayers of tefilas haderech and oray minay bisumin were made to show appreciation for drug use,<BR/><BR/>Convince them to buy those ticheles tzitzis,"<BR/><BR/>They know what they are talking about. I don't. Now add the mystical ideas discussed in this kind of language. <BR/><BR/>An Orthodox rabbi wrote a paper on why the theory of Universal Energy connected to New Age is to be avoided. Here are a few lines from his paper.<BR/><BR/>"The focus here is (1), the concept, the dai’yoh (or shitoh).<BR/>Their own sources clearly show that their conception of ‘universal-energy’ [=UE] involves <BR/>k’fira b’ikkar (heretical beliefs regarding HaShem),<BR/> and [specifically] avoidah-zorah (acceptance of false god(s), or distortions of Beliefs in HaShem).<BR/><BR/>This is because:<BR/>UE is imagined to be the creator of all, but not separate from that which it is imagined to create.<BR/>UE is often imagined to be able to help or harm (maitiv u’mairi’ah) Man through its own [imagined] will (often called ‘intelligence’). This is classical avoidah-zorah; see Chazon Ish Y”D 62:19.<BR/>UE is imagined to be mutable (changeable); see ibid. regarding hish’tanus."<BR/><BR/>Even with the translation into English for some of the words, this is not information that one can easily wrap one's head around. <BR/><BR/>Yes, there are individuals who study Kabbalah. I've never met one. I've never been tempted to find out what I think about it. Sorry I can't help you.<BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-84454172431388749562008-08-10T21:19:00.000-04:002008-08-10T21:19:00.000-04:00Dorothy,While the subversion of Judaism was taking...Dorothy,<BR/><BR/>While the subversion of Judaism was taking place in the late 1700's and early 1800's , the same thing was happening with the Catholic Church......and very likely with the authentically Christian Orthodox and Protestant communions as well. All the major religions were being subjected to heretical pantheistic/pagan gnostic encroachments by entities embodying an occult syncretistic movement.<BR/><BR/>Please correct me if I am mistaken, but it is my understanding that in Judaism as well as in Roman Catholicism, there is considered to be such a thing as authentic mysticism (a.k.a. "private revelation") - authentic for Jews in so far as it does not contradict the Torah or Mishna, and authentic for Christians in so far as it does not contradict Scripture and Sacred Tradition (in some ways the Catholic version of Mishna).<BR/><BR/>Is it true that for Jews this authentic mysticism goes by the name Kabbalah? Or is there another name for it? <BR/><BR/>In some research I did before reading Rabbi Antelman's books, I read that the departure from classic Lurianic Kabbalah began with Nathan of Gaza who was a false prophet and Sabbatai Tsvi's "front man" so to speak.<BR/><BR/>Thus began what came to be known as "Sabbatean Kabbalah." According to the late Father Malachi Martin, it would appear that a bogus "Kabbalah" was constantly being confused with the other traditional Kabbalah, which, according to Father Martin, dates all the way back to Elias the Prophet where he said it had its origins.<BR/><BR/>Just a little about Father Martin -when he was still a Jesuit, Father Martin received a bachelor's degree in Semitic languages and Oriental history and followed parallel studies in Assyriology at Trinity College Dublin. Father Martin also studied at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem specializing in intertestamentary studies and knowledge of Jesus as transmitted in Hebrew and Arabic manuscripts. He did early and seminal work on the Dead Sea Scrolls, and published some two dozen articles on Semitic paleography in learned journals. <BR/><BR/>While in Rome, Father Martin was a professor at the Pontifical Biblical Institute of the Vatican, where he taught Hebrew, Aramaic, paleography and scripture.<BR/><BR/>My point is that while Father Martin may have been a controversial person in certain ways, he was nevertheless a very well-educated man. <BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/5sx9k8<BR/><BR/>I don't necessarily agree with everything that Dr. Makov has to say, but he is pretty accurate in describing Rabbi Antelman's assessment of the Sabbatean Kabbalists:<BR/>__________________________<BR/><BR/>"If Mr. Shack is correct, historians, educators and journalists collaborate by upholding a false reality and distracting us from the truth. Our world, our perception of the human experience, are shaped by an occult secret society. Our culture is an elaborate psy-op.<BR/><BR/>Obviously, the Sabbateans and their descendants should consume our attention. Instead, they are hidden from view. They were decisive in the so-called "Enlightenment," "secularism" and "modernism," which are but baby steps to their Satanism. <BR/><BR/>According to Rabbi Marvin Antelman, they believe sin is holy and should be practised for its own sake. Since the Messiah will come when people either become righteous or totally corrupt, the Sabbateans opted for debauchery: "Since we cannot all be saints, let us all be sinners." <BR/><BR/>Their blasphemous benediction "who permits the forbidden" later became the Illuminist "do as thou wilt" the expression of their "religious" feeling. Totally amoral, they believe the "end justifies the means." ("To Eliminate the Opiate,"Vol. 2 p. 87)<BR/><BR/>In 1756, Jacob Frank and his followers were excommunicated by the rabbis. Antelman says the Sabbateans were behind the Reform, Liberal and Revolutionary movements of the Nineteenth century. They were also behind the Reform and Conservative movements in Judaism, including the "Haskalah" i.e. Jewish assimilation. In other words, Jews have been influenced by the Sabbateans and don't even know it.<BR/><BR/>That is their tactic. They don't advocate a Satanic kingdom. They gently steer you that way by questioning the existence of God, by demanding "sexual liberation," "independence" for women, "internationalism," "diversity" and "religious tolerance." These all have a hidden agenda: to undermine "all collective forces except our own." <BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/5dlv4s<BR/><BR/><BR/>______________________________<BR/><BR/>As I have mentioned before heretical "Christian" gonosticism didn't originate with authentic Judaism. It originated with the Samaritan Simon Magus who, according to tradition, was a disciple of another Samaritan named Dositheus. The Samaritans officially broke off all ties with Israel during the Maccabean War of Independence against Antiochus IV Epiphanes.<BR/>______________________________<BR/><BR/>"Antiochus IV Epiphanes and hellenization<BR/>In the second century BC a particularly bitter series of events eventually led to a revolution.<BR/><BR/>Antiochus IV Epiphanes was on the throne of the Seleucid Empire from 175 to 163 BC. His determined policy was to Hellenize his entire kingdom and standardize religious observance. According to 1 Maccabees 1:41-50 he proclaimed himself the incarnation of the Greek god Zeus and mandated death to anyone who refused to worship him. A major obstacle to his ambition was the fidelity of the Jews to their historic religion.<BR/><BR/>The universal peril led the Samaritans, eager for safety, to repudiate all connection and kinship with the Jews. The request was granted. This was evidently the final breach between the two groups indicated in John 4:9, "For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans."<BR/><BR/>Several centuries before the birth of Jesus, the Samaritans had built their own temple on Mt. Gerizim to rival the one in Jerusalem. Here, they offered sacrifices according to the Mosaic code. Anderson notes that during the reign of Antiochus IV (175-164 BC):<BR/><BR/>“ the Samaritan temple was renamed either Zeus Hellenios (willingly by the Samaritans according to Josephus or, more likely, Zeus Xenios, (unwillingly in accord with 2 Macc. 6:2) Bromiley, 4.304). ” <BR/><BR/>Josephus Book 12, Chapter 5 quotes the Samaritans as saying:<BR/><BR/>“ We therefore beseech thee, our benefactor and saviour, to give order to Apolonius, the governor of this part of the country, and to Nicanor, the procurator of thy affairs, to give us no disturbances, nor to lay to our charge what the Jews are accused for, since we are aliens from their nation and from their customs, but let our temple which at present hath no name at all, be named the Temple of Jupiter Hellenius. ” <BR/>“ Shortly afterwards, the king sent Gerontes the Athenian to force the Jews to violate their ancestral customs and live no longer by the laws of God; and to profane the Temple in Jerusalem and dedicate it to Olympian Zeus, and the one on Mount Gerizim to Zeus, Patron of Strangers, as the inhabitants of the latter place had requested.—II Maccabees 6:1–2 ” <BR/><BR/>In 167 BC the Seleucid ruler Antiochus Epiphanes set up an altar to Zeus over the altar of burnt offerings in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. He also sacrificed a pig on the altar in the Temple in Jerusalem. This event is known as the "abomination of desolation".<BR/><BR/>The authority of the high priesthood was severely damaged when first Jason and then Meneleus bought their office from Antiochus.<BR/><BR/>The persecution and death of faithful Jewish persons who refused to worship and kiss Antiochus' image eventually led to a revolt led by Judas Maccabeus and his family.<BR/><BR/>Judas's priestly family, the Hasmoneans, introduced a dynasty that ruled during a period of conflict, with tensions arising both from within the family as well as from external enemies.<BR/><BR/>This Samaritan Temple at Mount Gerizim was destroyed by John Hyrcanus in about 128 BC, having existed about 200 years. Only a few stone remnants of it exist today."<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/phgoy<BR/><BR/>The Books of the Maccabees are to be found in the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament which is the official canon of the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Catholic communions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-71687596715102985072008-08-10T03:52:00.000-04:002008-08-10T03:52:00.000-04:00SUSANA I'M GLAD WE SEE THE SAME THINGSThe rabbis w...SUSANA I'M GLAD WE SEE THE SAME THINGS<BR/>The rabbis who were founders of these groups signed Humanist Manifesto II. The Reconstructionists were founded by an individual who left the Institue for Policy Studies, a communist front organization. Many Jews bought into the Catalogues put out by this group. The Reconstructionist movement used all of the clothing, food, symbols, rituals etc. used by the Orthodox to keep their community together and subverted them to another cause. Jews who had no idea what was going on didn't know where the Reconstructionist movement was taking them, and many joined following a false interpretation of Judaism. <BR/><BR/>Since the subversion of Judaism started to take place in the late '1700s and early 1800s, Christians should note what happened and use what happened to protect themselves, but they probably won't.<BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-18626557104997852882008-08-09T20:05:00.000-04:002008-08-09T20:05:00.000-04:00P.S.Here is a link to an article on Humanistic Ju...P.S.<BR/><BR/>Here is a link to an article on Humanistic Judaism for anyone interested. <BR/><BR/>Dorothy, you are well justified in considering reconstructionist and humanistic Jewish groups extremist<BR/><BR/>__________________________<BR/><BR/>"HUMANISTIC JUDAISM is a movement within Judaism that emphasizes Jewish culture and history - rather than belief in God - as the sources of Jewish identity. Its rituals and ceremonies do not include prayer or any invocation of a deity. Its philosophical outlook is derived from Humanism or Secular Humanism, and its beliefs may be summarized as follows:<BR/><BR/>A Jew is someone who identifies with the history, culture and future of the Jewish people; <BR/>Judaism is the historic culture of the Jewish people, and religion is only one part of that culture; <BR/>People possess the power and responsibility to shape their own lives independent of supernatural authority; <BR/>Ethics and morality should serve human needs, and choices should be based upon consideration of the consequences of actions rather than pre-ordained rules or commandments; and, <BR/>Jewish history, like all history, is a purely human and natural phenomenon. Biblical and other traditional texts are the products of human activity and are best understood through archaeology and other scientific analysis."...read more.......<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/6morj6Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-1409255792870868762008-08-09T19:55:00.000-04:002008-08-09T19:55:00.000-04:00Hi again,Dorothy,I just wanted to thank you for th...Hi again,Dorothy,<BR/><BR/>I just wanted to thank you for the link on the Varieties of Orthodox Judaism. It is very informative.<BR/><BR/>In the following quote from the link you posted, Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch says almost the exact same thing as Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman in his book TO ELIMINATE THE OPIATE, Vol, 1:<BR/>____________________________<BR/><BR/>"Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch commented bitterly in 1854 that <BR/><BR/>...it was not "Orthodox" Jews who introduced the word "orthodox" into Jewish discussion. It was the modern "progressive" Jews who first applied the name to "old," "backward" Jews as a derogatory term. This name was at first resented by "old" Jews. And rightfully so...<BR/>Yet so pervasive was the use of the term that in 1886, when Hirsch established an alliance of the traditionalist congregations in Europe, he named it the "Freie Vereinigung für die Interessen des Orthodoxen Judentums" (Free Union for the Interests of Orthodox Judaism)!<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/5ppsjx<BR/><BR/>______________________________<BR/><BR/>Rabbi Antelman also stated that whatever disagreements there were among the Jews over interpretations of the Torah prior to the "Enlightenment," no one ever dared to deny that God was the author of the Torah.<BR/>____________________________<BR/><BR/>"Accordingly, the term Orthodox came to be utilized in common parlance as synonymus with a backward, non-progressive, unsophisticated and reactionary Jew. Geiger was not alone in setting up so-called "enlightened" scholarly circles. A scheme was developed in these circles to talk up the branch concept through a nucleus of scholars. A rationale and an impetus were developed for the acceptance of a branch concept in Judaism. Judaism, which had not had branches, was to be praised for its diversity. Anyone who spoke of a united Judaism was to be sneered at as an ignoramus who failed to recognize that 'Judaism is not monolithic.' .........<BR/><BR/>.....Geiger sought to resurrect the conflict of the Sadducees and Pharisees through his scholarly studies of their historical period. His studies were first rate, but through them he wanted to plant the idea very carefully in people's minds that branch and schism were not new to Judaism........<BR/><BR/>...Geiger and his colleagues were, of course, notoriously intellectually dishonest. What they failed to tell the masses was that, although there had existed before in Jewish history such diverse groups as the Sadducees, Pharisees, Rabbanites, and Karaites, that Judaism had survived via the Pharisees and Rabbanites and that even their opponents never dared question the basic validity of the concept of "Torah min hashamaim" = that the torah was a divinely revealed document.<BR/><BR/>Both Sadducee and Karaite had challenged the derivation of specific laws in Judaism. their dissension, though intolerable to Judaism and Torah values, questioned fundamental interpretation of the Torah, but never cast doubts on its Divinely revealed origin. These schisms were not branches of Judaism. Both so-called Reform and Conservative Judaism are not brnches of Judaism, but stand outside its pale because both hold that God did not write the Torah, but rather that men created it. Conservative differed from Reform in one respect: that since Reform had accepted the notion that the Torah was man made and it could reject all of Torah Law with impunity, only retaining the universal values of Judaism, the conservatives felt that much of the ceremonial, ritual and Halakhic norms of Judaism should be "conserved," not because the <BR/>Torah was divinely revealed, but because these things were culturally important and gave Judaism a national character. Judaism culd never tolerate even lesser dissensions on the scale of the Karaites and Sadducees, and could never make peace with these movements.<BR/><BR/>The stage of going from authentic Judaism to the stage of complete rejection of the Divine origin of the Torah was not instantaneous..."<BR/><BR/>TO ELIMINATE THE OPIATE, Vol.1<BR/>Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman<BR/><BR/>(An in-depth study of Communist and conspiratorial group efforts to destroy Jews and Judaism)<BR/><BR/>c. 1974, 2004 pp. 18-19<BR/>Printed in the State of Israel<BR/><BR/>Rabbi Antelman's comments would appear to square with your concerns about reconstructionist Judaism which reportedly <BR/><BR/>"...originated as the radical left branch of Conservative Judaism before it splintered. The movement developed from the late 1920s to 1940s, and it established a rabbinical college in 1968.<BR/><BR/>There is substantial theological diversity within the movement. Halakha is not considered binding, but is treated as a valuable cultural remnant that should be upheld unless there is reason for the contrary. The movement emphasizes positive views towards modernism, and considers religious custom to be subservient to personal autonomy. Reconstructionists find traditional theistic views found in Judaism to be incompatible with modern thought and propose a naturalistic outlook instead.....read more.....<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2yyslyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-85661720765273265192008-08-09T12:51:00.000-04:002008-08-09T12:51:00.000-04:00Dorothy,BINGO!That is my whole point. It is not i...Dorothy,<BR/><BR/>BINGO!<BR/><BR/>That is my whole point. It is not in any way my intention to cast any aspersions on authentic Judaism when referring to heretical gnostics of any "flavor."<BR/><BR/>To do so would be to cast aspersions on my own faith which has its roots in authentic Judaism.<BR/><BR/>I don't let members of my own church off the hook either.<BR/><BR/>So please do not misunderstand me if I mention "those who SAY they are Jews but are not."<BR/><BR/>Speaking of which....I forget where I read it, but this clown Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain is even said to have tried to enter a Roman Catholic seminary to become a priest......so hopefully anyone with half a brain realizes I am not exactly talking about something "mainstream" here. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-11532759722815703172008-08-09T02:49:00.000-04:002008-08-09T02:49:00.000-04:00Well, to ages 31 and 35I'M ONLY SIXTEEN! Well, th...Well, to ages 31 and 35<BR/><BR/>I'M ONLY SIXTEEN! Well, that may be because I was born on Leap Year Day!<BR/><BR/>A little humor can sometimes relieve the burdens. I am convinced God gave us a sense of humor as a safety valve! For that I am thankful!<BR/><BR/>ConstanceConstance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-13845461864119448112008-08-09T02:45:00.000-04:002008-08-09T02:45:00.000-04:00Correction, last post should have been to "anonymo...Correction, last post should have been to "anonymous 8:07" sorry!<BR/><BR/>ContanceConstance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-4708538982640520512008-08-09T02:44:00.000-04:002008-08-09T02:44:00.000-04:00To anonymous 4:39You are right -- and only God can...To anonymous 4:39<BR/><BR/>You are right -- and only God can judge the motives. I do not know his heart -- on the other hand, reading his book, it appears he was playing with fire . . . but I will agree there were enough injustices in the country he was viewing to inspire him to seek relief -- on the other hand, the syncretism in his book is obvious . . .<BR/><BR/>ConstanceConstance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-86280468143934794142008-08-09T01:05:00.000-04:002008-08-09T01:05:00.000-04:00SUSANNA AND ORTHODOX JEWSThe man admits he isn't e...SUSANNA AND ORTHODOX JEWS<BR/>The man admits he isn't even a rabbi, much less an Orthodox Jew. He has no political connections similar to that of the Fellowship Group. His following isn't about to bring about the New Age. They are primarily dangerous to secular Jews who want Judaism light. <BR/><BR/>http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Neturei_Karta.htm<BR/>"Neturei Karteh, Satmar and some of the other extreme ultra-orthodox groups do not speak Hebrew in every day conversation, reserving its use as a "holy tongue." They speak Yiddish, and they may be far more fluent in Talmudic Aramaic and Yiddish than in Hebrew."<BR/>http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/363_Transp/08_Orthodoxy.html<BR/>This may tell you more about Orthodox Judaism.<BR/><BR/>Now me, I'd consider the Reconstructionist and Humanistic Judaism groups extremists. <BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-29181243812846337772008-08-08T22:18:00.000-04:002008-08-08T22:18:00.000-04:00Dorothy,I said "in Judaism, possibly the EXTR...Dorothy,<BR/><BR/>I said "in Judaism, possibly the EXTREME "orthodox" or "conservative" elements that are anything but."<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't call that painting with too broad a brush at all - especially since I qualified what I said by the use of the words "possibly" and "extreme."<BR/><BR/>I didn't single out Judaism either. I also included Catholic and non-Catholic Christianity and Islam.<BR/><BR/>With regard to Jewish heretics, the ones I am most concerned about are the modern - day heirs of Sabbatai Tzvi and Jacob Frank - more especially the heirs of Frank and their bogus "conversions" to Catholicism.<BR/><BR/>One of the modern representatives of Frank is Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain. If anyone smacks of New Age, this guy does! <BR/><BR/>He himself admits that he is regarded as a heretic by other Jews.....and even seems proud of it. <BR/><BR/>The "Reb" has reportedly "converted" to just about every major world religion at one time or another/<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/5kex5q<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/6xeqrt<BR/>_____________________________<BR/><BR/>"A group called Donmeh West, founded in California in 1973 by Yakov Leib HaKohain, is a Neo-Sabbatian virtual community at www.donmeh-west.com. Its teachings and practices are based on Yakov Leib's reinterpretation of Sabbatian teachings -- as well as those of Islam, Hinduism, Gnosticism and C.G. Jung -- to form a syncretistic Kabbalistic system in the antinomian tradition of Sabbatai Zevi.<BR/><BR/>Donmeh West and its leader, Yakov Leib HaKohain, have close ties with the hereditary donme of Turkey, many of whom look upon him as spearheading a spiritual revival in Sabbatianism of which they consider themselves to be a part, both in Turkey and the West. Hundreds of these "Sabbatians-by-Birth" have joined "Sabbatians-by-Choice" in the group for Neo-Sabbatian Ma'aminim created and led by Yakov Leib on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=15812736467&ref=mf<BR/><BR/>The Israeli newspaper, Ma'ariv, recently published an interview with Yakov Leib explaining the Neo-Sabbatian revival they present him as heading. It can be read at. Ma'ariv is also translating and publishing Yakov Leib's Neo-Sabbatian writings as a series of feature articles in their spirituality section. The first of these, "Redemption through Sin," has already been published at<BR/><BR/>http://www.nrg.co.il/online/15/ART1/725/678.html.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-76883341589735159562008-08-08T20:02:00.000-04:002008-08-08T20:02:00.000-04:00Worries about New Age:Dorothy asked, and as usual ...Worries about New Age:<BR/><BR/>Dorothy asked, and as usual I have ranted on and on. Dorothy is being a good teacher and is eliciting a kind of word association; if ranting is not your style skip my contribution. <BR/>Many NA people I know have spurned Christianity with excuses of hypocrisy, and though I don’t buy it, I understand that grasping for reasons is the nature of “man”. God said that we should come—reason together—taste and see that He is good—roll our burdens on to Him. So often the message has been don’t do this or that. Jesus said that His yoke is easy, and once we are introduced to Him who has made the thunder to roar, but has also made the Winter Wren to sing, to Him who ignited the Nova yet gently weaves blankets of snow, to Him that embraced the cross so that God could embrace me, us, then it is easy, it makes sense to embrace Him. When Christians lay stumbling blocks, other than who Jesus Christ is and what He has done for us, in front of those who are already stumbling we add to the NA; people must turn somewhere. Materialism is when they don’t want to turn anywhere: “I’ll die and I’ll rot.” “There is no meaning to life.” This is a prescription for a NA candidate. Usually science is the tool the materialist lifts up as their bible, what they can put in a test tube, right or wrong, is their drug of choice, and when they die their atoms are recycled, but the rest of their identity is oblivion.<BR/>One concern I have is that enough materialists, who can define humans as animals, will aggressively swing in the direction of being anti-Christian as a goal in itself. Since those great men who established The United States acknowledged that our freedom and liberty come from a Creator, when that is erased we will have none of it. The NA has its leaders, but they must have their grunts, and they are the hypnotized, those whose egos desperately cling to someone, something in such neurosis that they will let their fear and hatred cause them to do or allow unspeakable things. (Some “Christians” have done that) That is a problem which my children will have to face. My two sons have known from day one that Jesus is reality to me, they understand that no one is perfect, but the reality of Christ makes sense to them because it does to me, that reality speaks with love, forgiveness, and reason, not fear, not: don’t taste don’t touch. We conclude that it is grace. I’m sure I’ll hear the word “license”, but that’s for another time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-42024095068943530432008-08-08T18:49:00.000-04:002008-08-08T18:49:00.000-04:00SUSANNA AND ORTHODOX JUDAISMFor those people who k...SUSANNA AND ORTHODOX JUDAISM<BR/>For those people who know little about Orthodox Judaism, I'm concerned you painted with too broad a brush. First of all very few Orthodox Jews are involved with politics. They live in their own world and have deliberately chosen to stay away from the secular world. Second they are targeted by the New Age movement as a group to be done away with in any way possible, so blending with New Agers is out of the question. <BR/><BR/>There is one movement that some Orthodox are involved in that bothers me very much. That is the Noahide movement which I've researched in detail. While the heart of some of the people might be in the right place, this effort to make the blending of religions acceptable is foolish because both sides believe the final result will be in the growth of people following their beliefs and that isn't going to happen. <BR/><BR/>It reminds me of the Jews in a discussion group I just learned about who are followers of Alice Bailey writings and who find every excuse to show why the Bailey writings are acceptable. The end result won't be acceptable to either side and both sides will keep pushing for control. Meanwhile the Jews will have accepted New Age ideas and will be pushing them. <BR/><BR/>Conversion is one thing. Blending is another.<BR/><BR/>Dorothy<BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-67559413892263268392008-08-08T13:30:00.000-04:002008-08-08T13:30:00.000-04:00DISCUSSION ON NEW AGE WORRIESThanks to all who ans...DISCUSSION ON NEW AGE WORRIES<BR/>Thanks to all who answered the question I asked. I hope the discussion doesn't end here. So often furtherance of ideas stops when a new post goes up. Then we end up so scattered in our search for understanding and concentration stops.<BR/><BR/>I think when we keep chasing new information it is, to use an old word, discombobulating. If we were in a classroom and everyday the teacher just brought in the latest scientific study without ever concentrating on the basics we never would make progress in any field. It would be too overwhelming. Without planning, I think that's happening here. Everyone, including me probably, wants to bring in the latest hotest link to show something is happening. <BR/><BR/>As a result it looks as if some feel overwhelmed. Others are discouraged when they can't transmit what they already know to others. It may be because what we are trying to pass on isn't organized and instead we are trying to find the spark that will ignite others to see what we know. That does work sometimes however. <BR/><BR/>Don't get discouraged. Getting others to see what is going on sometimes feels like shoveling sand. Know that when you have introduced that grain of sand into someone's mind, you have introduced an irritant that needs time to work if it is to work. Granted some minds are so dull that nothing will get through, but those intelligent enough to question things will begin to question what they have been told to see if the irritant will go away. Know that you will just have to start the process just as Constance's book started the process in you. <BR/><BR/>Don't believe that the movement is too big to stop. Yes it is big, but you aren't expected to stop it all by yourself. There are those in the movement who would like to discourage people from doing anything by making the movement seem even larger than it is. <BR/><BR/>Back when I was in Kansas, the women I knew there knew about Humanism for years before they told me about it, saying later that they believed I was too liberal to listen to them. I ended up doing more in the fight than any of them; they gave up too quickly. Someone you are passing the information to may do more than you ever think possible. <BR/><BR/>Just do your share as you see it. Don't become discouraged. If you can only do a little bit, do it and leave it in God's hands. <BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-76917495320119796682008-08-08T12:43:00.000-04:002008-08-08T12:43:00.000-04:00Dawn, I agree, I feel like I have gotten out of on...Dawn, <BR/><BR/>I agree, I feel like I have gotten out of one pot, jumped into another, and now cautious of listening to anyone or reading anyone's books for I am aware of how far reaching this stuff goes. <BR/><BR/>I struggle finding sources I can trust, because I don't want to be a hypocrite when someone shows me my sources were more new age then the one I was trying to expose. <BR/><BR/>Young grasshopper- <BR/>there may be more of us young folk then you'd imagine here- I'm 31. <BR/><BR/>LeanaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-79734254364202651742008-08-08T10:56:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:56:00.000-04:00Setterman,I don't want to take up time on the blog...Setterman,<BR/>I don't want to take up time on the blog to debate about Dr. Ross. I would just encourage you to first go to http://www.answersingenesis.org/<BR/><BR/>Second, If you want to talk about it off blog, feel free to email me at dawn777t@gmail.comDawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13184934943342018936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-28584253743158436672008-08-08T10:53:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:53:00.000-04:00Worries about New AgeAt first I started researchin...Worries about New Age<BR/><BR/>At first I started researching and being concerned with the New Age movement, because I could see where it could effect Christianity and that message. <BR/>Some how I thought there would be somewhere I could be that was not effected by the New Age movement. <BR/><BR/>To follow oldman's analogy,<BR/>I thought I was getting into another pot after pot thinking that was fine. Then realize it was connected to the first one. <BR/><BR/>For myself, lately I have been feeling there is nothing I can do about it. I have experienced much of what other describe here. People seemed to be shocked when you tell them. Either they are shocked they are in "hot water" or they refuse to believe that the water is "hot".<BR/><BR/>I guess now I worry that it is too far and that I can't do anything about it. I really am not too sure why I am still reading about it. I guess to see where else it is.<BR/><BR/>I pray and I hope that I can be ready to recognize it so that I won't be sucked into it.<BR/><BR/>BTW I am 35 and some of this is harder for me because I have been "indoctrinated" for much of my life.Dawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13184934943342018936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-88809346290909697982008-08-08T09:13:00.000-04:002008-08-08T09:13:00.000-04:00Excellent points Joyce.In addition, I believe that...Excellent points Joyce.<BR/><BR/>In addition, I believe that the final step in bringing the US to its knees is the total collapse of its economy. With the current mortgage crisis, former middle class people here in Florida are filling soup kitchens. Crime, domestic violence and drug usage has skyrocketed over the last year. I' m sure it's still much less apparent in other states, but I can look at Florida and see firsthand how bad things can get for people who have lost jobs and businesses thanks to the collapse of the housing market, followed by the sub-prime situation. (And I live in a good area of FL!)<BR/><BR/>The skyrocketing energy prices we saw this summer will be nothing compared to what will happen to the people in America if the US goes to war with Iran. Add Russia and China into the mix and we could see a global economic collapse of proportions it's best to not even think of.<BR/><BR/>Has anyone noticed how identity theft has skyrocketed just this week on the news? Another reason for already insecure people to give in to pressure to take the mark, when the proverbial poop hits the fan.Young Grasshopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152027597398742486noreply@blogger.com