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I’m getting my satani...Hey Paul, Terry,<BR/><BR/>Sorry again! I’m getting my satanic sanctuaries mixed up! <BR/><BR/>The Temple of Understanding is a few blocks away from the UN Plaza.<BR/><BR/>Temple of Understanding <BR/>211 E 43rd St # 1600, New York, NY<BR/>(212) 573-9224<BR/><BR/>The Temple website is: <BR/>http://www.templeofunderstanding.org/<BR/><BR/>The UN Meditation room can be viewed here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.aquaac.org/un/medroom.html<BR/><BR/>And a pretty good description of the interior can be read here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3887b2eb1786.htm<BR/><BR/>I’ve included an excerpt from the archives of the free republic website. I’m sure this is old stuff for you long timers here, but I found it to be a good reminder of what we are dealing with. Although the names of the players may have changed, the game remains the same.<BR/><BR/>The United Nations Meditation Room:<BR/><BR/>"...what appears to be a serpent intertwining a pole intersected by the perpendicular side of a triangle (cf. the central cross intertwined with a serpent) in front of a half-darkened sun representing the Zoroastrian concept of the conflict between good and evil (cf. a brilliant light), and a large, seemingly casket-shaped, black natural magnet (cf. a skull and crossbones, a casket, and a dagger), perhaps intended to act as an hallucinogenic catalyst like a drug -- comprises the occult Meditation Room at the United Nations, where 'followers of all religions, who visit by the hundreds of thousands each year, may [currently] awaken the 'god within.'" (The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea, Tim Cohen, pg 159) <BR/><BR/>“The room is designed like a pyramid lying on its side with a mural in place of the capstone (i.e., the top of the pyramid would appear to be cut-off, with this image appearing in the place of it.) It's a small room with no windows. In the center of the room is a 4' high stone [altar?] made of dark grey crystalline ore. The stone is extremely magnetic and possesses polarity. The room is dimly lit, however a small beam of light from a lens in the ceiling focuses on the altar. Dag Hammarskjold, former UN Secretary General, described this center stone as "the symbol of the god of all." (Cohen, pg 160).” <BR/><BR/>“The Meditation Room at the United Nations Building in New York, designed by Dag Hammarskjold, contains backless benches - as he wrote: 'for the men who come here will have enough force to support their own backs.' In a dark room of sharp angles, a six and a half ton (the entire building had to be reinforced) black iron ore altar evokes Abraham and Isaac and all sacrifice - mythic and historic - swords and ploughshares." <BR/><BR/>According to Cohen and J.R. Church, there are only ten chairs or benches facing the altar. (Cohen, pg 160) [For the 10 Kings?] <BR/>Donald Keys, New Age leader, President of Planetary Citizens, author "Earth At Omega": "We have meditations at the United Nations a couple of times a week. The meditation leader is Sri Chinmoy, and this is what he said...'The United Nations is the chosen instrument of God...a divine messenger carrying the banner of God's inner vision and outer manifestation. One day the world will treasure...the soul of the United Nations as its very own with enormous pride, for this soul is all-loving, all-nourishing, and all-fulfilling.'"<BR/><BR/>Yeah right!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-73961322706266109142008-01-22T11:18:00.000-05:002008-01-22T11:18:00.000-05:00Thanks Terry. Correction noted. Seeing is believ...Thanks Terry. Correction noted. Seeing is believing, except sometimes. I don't have time to do more searching on the Temple of Understanding this morning, but a quick search does verify it exists at the UN, and is full of occult symbolism. Will look more closely later and would be interested in what others find. <BR/><BR/>Have to go to work now. No skiing today, darn.<BR/><BR/>Thank-you again, we can always count on others here to verify and check facts. I don't like being duped or passing on bad info, is very good reminder to stay vigilant. <BR/><BR/>Constance, have you talked with Judy McLeod, she seems on top of some things?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-15150897532375167422008-01-22T09:35:00.000-05:002008-01-22T09:35:00.000-05:00@oldmanoftheskiRegarding McLeod and her picture of...<B>@oldmanoftheski</B><BR/><BR/>Regarding McLeod and her picture of the inside of the Temple of Understanding - <I>it just ain't so</I>. That picture is in fact the Blue Lodge Room of the Grand Lodge of Japan in Tokyo: ><A HREF="http://japan-freemasons.org/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=12" REL="nofollow"><B>-Click Here-</B></A>< and ><A HREF="http://japan-freemasons.org/uploads/photos/12.jpg" REL="nofollow"><B>-Here-</B></A>< <BR/><BR/>Also an excerpt from <A HREF="http://www.orindalodge.org/class/" REL="nofollow">Orinda Lodge no. 122 F&AM [Click it]</A>: "Blue Lodge room, Grand Lodge of Japan - Before it was a Masonic space, this building used to belong to the Japanese high command and this is the room in which the decision was made to bomb Pearl Harbor. After the war, Masonry returned to Japan, and the Masons purchased the building and turned it into the Japanese headquarters for Freemasonry."<BR/><BR/>As a final confirmation, see <A HREF="http://www.masonryandstone.com/Grand_Lodge_of_Japan/images.htm" REL="nofollow">'Grand Lodge of Japan' Images Search on Masonryandstone.com [Click it]</A><BR/><BR/>McLeod fell victim to an error floating around the internet, in evangelical circles, regarding where and what the picture was. I already knew the answer way before she published her article. I had to track down the picture myself. The only thing I had to go on - besides that it was obviously a masonic lodge - was that it was called the "blue room."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-38736193927797812232008-01-22T08:29:00.000-05:002008-01-22T08:29:00.000-05:00Old Man,Thanks for the answer to myquestion. Prett...Old Man,<BR/>Thanks for the answer to my<BR/>question. <BR/>Pretty scary stuff, really.<BR/>If your brain is drained I'd<BR/>suggest you get back up<BR/>on the slopes and get some<BR/>more of that cold clean air <BR/>that only a well groomed <BR/>ski slope can offer, along<BR/>with the veritable euphoria<BR/>that skiing provides.<BR/>You deserve it. <BR/><BR/>Yours,<BR/>Paul ( from snowy Maine )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-60399994935449492832008-01-22T02:10:00.000-05:002008-01-22T02:10:00.000-05:00Clarification: McLoed's seating chart is for the ...Clarification: McLoed's seating chart is for the EU Parliament Building in Strassburg, not the UN. As of the article's publication date, seat #666 was as yet unassigned. I wonder if anybody is occupying it now?<BR/><BR/>Also, my second time around with GOOGLE maps did bring up the Parliament building as site "A". Don't know what happened the first go round, but the "mistake" did make me become aware of the Masonic symbols at the Secretariat General's residence, which I may have overlooked had I gone straight to the Parliament building.<BR/><BR/>Brain drain. Good night.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-67080678255021660772008-01-22T01:02:00.000-05:002008-01-22T01:02:00.000-05:00Paul 9:27, I was going to go to bed early tonight,...Paul 9:27, <BR/><BR/>I was going to go to bed early tonight, but I decided to go through and reread all the posts last couple days. (WHEW! My brain hurts!) But your question needed an answer. Yes, there are obvious Masonic symbols at the UN. <BR/><BR/>A very interesting 2006 article from Canada Free Press is appropriately titled, “It's Halloween Every Day for Global Guardians” by Judi McLeod. The article shows a picture of the interior of the Temple of Understanding inside the UN building itself. <BR/><BR/>http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/cover110206.htm<BR/><BR/>The familiar Masonic Compass and Square is quite prominent on what appears to be some kind of alter located in the middle of the room. There’s so much occult clutter in there, hard to say what else. Looks like a little bit of everything. McLeod's info on the 600's seating chart is quite interesting also.<BR/><BR/>But one thing leads to another, and this particular article led me to take a closer look at the “massive Crystal Palace tower (unofficially called the Tower Building) which houses the Fifth Parliament of Europe in Strassburg, France. It is patterned after the same Tower of Babel symbol so prominently featured as the EU coalesced. <BR/><BR/>By entering “EU Parliament Strassburg, France” as a search term in Google Maps brings up the Secretariat General’s official residence (labeled “A”) on Avenue de l’Europe, NOT the parliament building, which is a massive structure and can be seen just north on Rue de Levant. The satellite view of both locations show very obvious Masonic imagery. But certainly the most impressive thing I have yet seen is the ALL SEEING EYE design of the Parliament building itself! <BR/><BR/>But then, why should anyone be surprised to learn that the European Parliament convenes in the EYE of HORUS?<BR/><BR/>Thanks for keeping me up past my bedtime! Now I just hope I can sleep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-38943488313938824172008-01-21T19:07:00.000-05:002008-01-21T19:07:00.000-05:00I've encountered Boehme being mentioned as an infl...I've encountered Boehme being mentioned as an influence in nearly every book on the occult that I've been studying of late. The importance attached to him - especially by scholars - is really staggering. Academic research into the occult and mysticism, generally classify things in a "before Boehme" or an "after Boehme" manner.<BR/><BR/>One really incredible book that I highly recommend is Magee's <I><A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0801438721/conspiracyarc-20/" REL="nofollow">Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition</A></I>. More than just a search for Hegel's occult roots, it traces the influence of Boehmian mysticism on the whole of Western culture, philosophy and religion. <BR/><BR/>Yes, a history of Catherine II is quite incomplete without mention of her very public struggle against the Cagliostros, the dupes of Strict Observance, the Rosicrucians, the Mesmers, the Saint Germains, and the Boehmian-inspired Russian Martinists of her day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-61891369641537035522008-01-21T18:08:00.000-05:002008-01-21T18:08:00.000-05:00Most fascinating, I am looking through books in my...Most fascinating, I am looking through books in my personal library and just picked one up by Isabel de Madariaga, the maternal aunt of JS. She is Salvador de Madariaga's younger daughter and is a "professor emeritus" at a London college. She has an extensive discussion of many of the "Strict Observance" in the chapter of "Catherine the Great: A short history (Yale Press, 1990)entitled "Catherine and the French Revolution." Amusingly, Isabel tells in the intro to one of her books on Catherine the Great (she specialized in Slavonic studies) that her father, greatly" beloved by her, would come in and say to her, "Well, how is Catherine doing today." <BR/>z<BR/>Salvador de Madariaga died before her book was completed. I don't know much about her personal ideology (occultists' kids sometimes rebel too), but she makes interesting reading, as did her father, Javier Solana's grandfather or as his embarrassed historical revisionists (Squeakbox and company) like to claim, "His Great Uncle).<BR/><BR/>Go figure!Constance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-54568200894789707732008-01-21T17:50:00.000-05:002008-01-21T17:50:00.000-05:00Its been a long time since I've read of the Albige...Its been a long time since I've read of the Albigensians and the Cathars, but they also reportedly had similar traditions as the Tibetans.Constance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-51418921632068597512008-01-21T17:38:00.000-05:002008-01-21T17:38:00.000-05:00Terry, fascinating information which I shall follo...Terry, fascinating information which I shall follow up on. HPB must have had family members who disapproved of Grandpa's library for she wrote that her family would have preferred that she go into prostitution rather than occultism. I wonder, too, if you have looked into the influence of Western mysticism HPB, particularly Jacob Boehme who influenced disturbingly many Evangelicals, some of whom have falsely purported to be on our side and then worked to subtly undermine us. It was Boehme's inspiration that led to HPB naming her planned organization "The Theosophical Society." It was reportedly one of the Wesley's who sternly wrote William Law (Jacob Boehme's translator) saying, "you call it 'theosophy.' It is more accurately called 'demonosophy.'"Constance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-52967549349864531832008-01-21T17:09:00.000-05:002008-01-21T17:09:00.000-05:00Yes, and I'm sure you read from the same page how ...Yes, and I'm sure you read from the same page how Jackson promises to let the cat at least part way out of the bag regarding some of the secrets....<BR/><BR/>"As you know, Washington, DC is the capital of the United States of America and carries with it much of the symbolism of the free world. It also, however, carries much Masonic symbolism as well and I hope that you will take the opportunity, to be with us and to learn more of the significance that Freemasonry has made in the erection of this great city and the development of our democratic society."<BR/><BR/>Should be interesting to see what they actually expose and take credit for. Looks to me like they are moving part way out of the shadows.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of shadows...<BR/><BR/>The World Economic Forum starts later this week in Davos. Only a hop, skip, and a jump from Madrid eh?. Condi Rice set to open I see. Hundreds of links on the WEF website provides access to thousands of pages documenting their past seminars and agendas...but the link to the area "religion" under subject "Humanities" has been completely disabled. <BR/>Cowards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-38314397548494581312008-01-21T16:29:00.000-05:002008-01-21T16:29:00.000-05:00Thanks for another interesting post. What I found...Thanks for another interesting post. What I found the most interesting were the comments with-in the “Welcome” from the Executive Secretary Thomas Jackson. He refers to the “philosophical purpose” of the organization and the “philosophical beliefs of our craft” being in the forefront, “leading the way for the development of worldwide civilization for centuries” From your link above:<BR/><BR/> “Because of the exposure of Freemasonry in the present day worldwide media as well as an increase in historical publications there has been a renewed interest in the philosophical purpose of our organization. Young men are approaching our doors with inquisitiveness into the esoteric aspects as to what we are. However, ignorance of purpose by our own membership has tended to dull the impact that Freemasonry has had on the evolution of our civil societies and it’s potential for the future.”<BR/> <BR/>He goes on to make reference to “Regular Freemasonry”. Several things came to my mind in light of what I have found “browsing” the library and viewing the “symbolic art ”at the Manly P. Hall founded Philosophical Research Society homepage. The masonry everyone accepts, ("Regular Freemasonry”) “the Shriners” (Ancient Egyptian Arabic Order Nobles Mystic Shrine) who march in parades and raise money for hospitals, present an innocent “face”. No doubt, most who join Masonic organizations do so innocently and desire only to belong and be a part of a charitable community service organization. The quote above states a renewal of interest in the esoteric aspects of “the craft” by young men. This probably explains the formation of the Masonic Restoration Foundation I alluded to in my previous comment. The Masonic Restoration Foundation Homepage appears benign. Clicking on their “links” tells a different story.<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.masonicrestoration.com/links.html <BR/><BR/>Additional information on “Masonry and the Restoration of the Mysteries” is found on the Grand Lodge Ancient Universal Mysteries Grand Orient of S page.<BR/><BR/>http://www.grandlodgeaum.org/MRM.htm <BR/><BR/>I agree with Terry when he said:<BR/>“The symbols are the only thing that's similar in all lodges throughout the world and in a sense, it is the only thing that doesn't lie. Symbols are timeless, ubiquitous; they evoke emotion and mystery - real magic.”<BR/>A picture IS worth a thousand words in some cases. 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The world today needs Freemasonry more than ever. Given the universality of its character, its existence in so many places around the world, and the values and principles it espouses, the Society of the Freemasons is uniquely positioned to contribute to the global flow of enlightened ideas and help people of good will work together for the betterment of humanity. Can we rise to the challenge, answer the call, and fulfill our destiny as a beacon of universal light?”<BR/><BR/>Sounds like a page right out of the AOC to me, (or maybe vice versa!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-21275313624143543762008-01-21T10:44:00.000-05:002008-01-21T10:44:00.000-05:00We all see through a glass darkly and don’t get a ...We all see through a glass darkly and don’t get a good view without sharing our perspectives. The beast is well aware of our limitations. <BR/> <BR/>But God is great isn’t He!<BR/><BR/>At the time Constance wrote “Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow”, I was living with a “shaman” who was busy promoting said “rainbow”. His main focus was “networking” between diverse groups around the world who were not yet aware they were traveling the same intricately designed path. I was told that some “nodes” were well known to each other, while most had no idea that the others existed, let alone that each was controlled by one unifying principle. I was told the “work” involved making each node aware of their interconnectedness, and when enough people realized that they were of one mind, there would be a cosmic shift in global consciousness which would usher in the “new age”. But only after a period of intense turmoil, so-called “birth pangs”, which involved the elimination of all those who were not willing or were incapable of making the transformation. Sound familiar?<BR/><BR/>I cut and pasted the following from a website describing the intricate weaving pattern of spiders:<BR/><BR/>“The hub is surrounded by a 'free zone', in which the spider can move around unhampered by intricate spiralling threads. From the hub come 25 to 30 dry radial threads, which connect to strong frame threads around the outer perimeter of the web. Spiralling threads go from outside of the free zone to the edge of the web, and sticky threads, running from the outside to the free zone, are spun last and coated with sticky droplets. The spider waits in the center of the web until a careless insect becomes caught in the sticky threads, and then she runs to wrap it up and paralyze it, storing it for future use. Spiders can make different types of silk with glands and spinnerets at the end of the abdomen. Some silk, such as that for catching prey, is sticky, but other silk is not, such as that used for making an egg case. Spider silk is very strong, and in fact, the strongest natural fiber known is the silk of spiders in the genus Nephila.”<BR/><BR/>The Hebrew word nephilim is translated in two ways, first as “those who have fallen”, and secondly, as “those causing others to fall”.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-88864947285438528482008-01-21T09:27:00.000-05:002008-01-21T09:27:00.000-05:00Is it true that the United Nationsbuilding is full...Is it true that the United Nations<BR/>building is full of Freemason<BR/>symbols as well ?<BR/><BR/>Yours <BR/>PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-32751248348993396462008-01-21T03:37:00.000-05:002008-01-21T03:37:00.000-05:00I'm still up. And since I've spent so much time al...I'm still up. And since I've spent so much time already when I could have been working, I'll post another thought before bed. <BR/><BR/>Freemasonry, as an organization, has no official doctrine. There's no Pope of the Scottish Rite, no Pastor or Minister instructing the flock from one single, uncorrupted "Holy Book." As a mason, each initiate is free to interpret, to their own satisfaction, what it is exactly they're involved with. The symbols are the only thing that's similar in all lodges throughout the world and in a sense, it is the only thing that doesn't lie. Symbols are timeless, ubiquitous; they evoke emotion and mystery - real magic. <BR/><BR/>In that sense, the "Old Man of the Ski" is on the right track. If this place is as laden with occult imagery as he says - and if this group is as important as Constance has said - the coming together of the two is most likely not a coincidence. Whatever is being discussed is probably thought able to be influenced, one way or another, by what type of symbolism is present at the gathering. <BR/><BR/>There's a reason why occultists and Freemasons conduct rituals and ceremonies amidst certain symbolic and architectural configurations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-92050397059836943882008-01-21T02:36:00.000-05:002008-01-21T02:36:00.000-05:00oldmanoftheski,Thankyou for a VERY interesting and...oldmanoftheski,<BR/>Thankyou for a VERY interesting and intriguing post. Over the past few days, the amount of information which has been presented here by everyone, has been staggering. As I read Constances' Federico Mayor/Share article, the AOC Madrid conference info, all the various Masonic symbols and imagery, the uncertainty in all our minds regarding leadership for the next election, witnessing the lights of freedom going out, REAL ID news...can't forget UFO sightings in Texas... It occurred to me how primed a majority of the world's population is for a messiah type leader. All it would take, IMHO is for any ONE catasrophic event to occur at this point in time. Not to mention several...<BR/>One more thing relating to the Masonic/New Age Messiah/World Goodwill/Consciousness Evolution<BR/>connection. Last June I posted information about a Maitreya Sangha Conference being held at the University of Redlands in S. CA. The conference was being sponsored and promoted through the Grand Lodge Ancient Universal Mysteries. Lest anyone think this isn't a "real" lodge it is listed with all the rest of the "accepted"<BR/>masonic lodges. Here is a link to a list- A.U.M. is #15 in the second from left column. Take note above the list of links where it says "Masonic Restoration Foundation" for some very interesting information. <BR/><BR/>http://www.masoniclight.<BR/>org/links.html<BR/><BR/>This is a direct link to the A.U.M. website. This website hasn't changed since June that I can see-but the information available is astounding. <BR/><BR/> http://www.grandlodgeaum.org/<BR/><BR/>The June 2007 Maitreya Conference <BR/>from the A.U.M. site can be found here:<BR/>http://www.maitreyasangha<BR/>.org/FrameSet.htm<BR/><BR/>I know this is alot of information,<BR/>and "old news" for some, but in light of this past weeks events for me it was worth a review. Whether or not their conference produced a "christ" or not YET isn't the point. The information stating their worldview and aspirations should give us a clear warning and better enable us to "stay tuned" to the "dialoge" we're hearing coming from all sides.<BR/> - Rudi<BR/><BR/>"When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him." Isaiah 59:19Rudihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02790452739588756078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-1553460295966306722008-01-21T02:15:00.000-05:002008-01-21T02:15:00.000-05:00Constance said "Terry, it is probably impossible f...Constance said "Terry, it is probably impossible for you to know all I have covered over the past 27 years."<BR/><BR/>You're right. Sorry for the exaggeration. I was going by what you had written in your books and what you had posted on your blog.<BR/><BR/>Which came first, the chicken or the egg? That is the (cliché-ed ) question. Perhaps it's even meaningless; who knows. But occultism proper is old as the serpent in the Garden. That we can become like God is the biggest selling point of both Freemasonry and the New Age alike. The foundational edifice of the entire occult structure worldwide, for close to 400 years, though, has been constructed and maintained by the entity known as Freemasonry (or, rather, entities known as Masons). <BR/><BR/>Rosicrucianism is like Hermeticism, Neo-Platonism, or Gnosticism - its a flavor, not an organization (though the Rosicrucians would certainly argue otherwise!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-91678658054611088352008-01-21T01:45:00.000-05:002008-01-21T01:45:00.000-05:00@ Constance:"Freemasonry clearly played a role in ...@ Constance:<BR/><BR/>"Freemasonry clearly played a role in the occult, but to say that that Theosophy would not have existed without it is hardly accurate."<BR/><BR/>Here goes ...<BR/><BR/><B>1) Dolgorukii, his library and the Strict Observance</B><BR/><BR/>Helena Petrovna Blavatsky's (hereafter HPB) maternal great-grandfather was Prince Pavel Dolgorukii. This person was a Rosicrucian and a high ranking member of the Strict Observance, probably the most important occult branch of Freemasonry during the 18th century. They were the first purveyors of what HPB would call the Secret Masters. The Strict Observance called them Unknown Superiors; its initiates believed that they were the direct descendants of the Templars.<BR/><BR/>Not only was HPB's great-grandfather a member of the legendary Strict Observance, but she had cut her occult teeth (so to speak) on Dolgorukii's massive library. Here, from K. Paul Johnson, the foremost scholar on Theosophy:<BR/><BR/><I>It is not mere coincidence that HPB was later to call her Masters "Oriental Rosicrucians." The legend of Oriental Rosicrucian wisdom conveyed from Unknown Superiors, first encountered in Prince Pavel's library, became the subtext of HPB's teachings. Much that from the twentieth-century perspective has seemed to originate with her is clearly related to ideas in the general mystical and political thoughtstream of the Russian generations previous to her own. While learning all the contents of her great-grandfather's library, HPB would inevitably contact the teachings of the Strict Observance, including the doctrine of Unknown Superiors. Russian Rosicrucianism's legend of a worldwide network of Masters and a secret link with Tibet was a profound influence of HPB's development ... Here encounters with genuine spiritual teachers of myriad traditions were interpreted according to a mythology of Unknown Superiors in Tibet derived from the library of Prince Pavel. </I> -- <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0791420647/conspiracyarc-20/" REL="nofollow">The Masters Revealed: Madame Blavatsky and the Myth of the Great White Lodge</A>, State University of New York Press, 1994, p. 22.<BR/><BR/>HPB even acknowledged her debt: <I>"my grandfather on my mother's side, Prince Paul Vasilyevitch Dolgorouki, had a strange library containing hundreds of books on alchemy, magic, and other occult sciences. I had read them with the keenest interest before the age of 15."</I> (Ibid., p. 19) <BR/><BR/>Lee Penn, quoting from another book of K. Paul Johnson's:<BR/><BR/><I>Prince Pavel Dolgorukii, "a prominent Rosicrucian Freemason in the years before Catherine II closed the lodges. In her adolescence, she admired Prince Aleksandr Golitsyn, a magician and Freemason who encouraged her growing interest in esotericism."</I> -- <A HREF="http://www.falsedawn.us/intro.htm" REL="nofollow">Source</A><BR/><BR/>I've been studying the beliefs of the Strict Observance for a couple of years now. They were officially banned by Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick and Landgrave Karl of Hesse-Kassel in 1782 at the Congress of Wilhelmsbad. Its members subsequently were snatched up by the Bavarian Illuminati (Landgrave Karl and Duke Ferdinand among them). The point is - Strict Observance beliefs were incredibly important to nearly every subsequent masonic-occult organization that followed. HPB and her entourage were no different.<BR/><BR/><B>2) Golitsyn</B><BR/><BR/>Prince Aleksandr Golitsyn, a Freemason, and magician, would often visit HPB's maternal grandparents. Golitsyn "catalyzed her occult quest"; she would have conversations with him which caused a scandal amongst her family; "Golitsyn gave HPB the name and address of Paolos Metamon, the Copt who is considered her first Master in occultism" (K. Paul Johnson, op. cit., p. 23).<BR/><BR/><B>3) The plethora of Theosophical leaders during its formative years who were at the same high-ranking Freemasons.</B> <BR/><BR/>a) Albert Rawson, of the American branch of Theosophy; first encountered HPB in 1851; influenced her considerably. She wrote about him in <I>Isis Unveiled</I>. A brother of the Adwan Bedouins of Moab; and initiate of the Druze of Lebenon; 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason; a Shriner; a life member of the Society Rosicruciana Americae; a 95th degree Rite of Memphis mason ; and wrote rituals for various secret societies.<BR/><BR/><B>b) Jamal ad-Din al-Afghani</B><BR/><BR/>See K. Paul Johnson, op. cit., pp. 47-51; and even the other book by the same author, cited by Lee Penn. Al-Afghani was a mystical Sufi, an alchemist, and a high-ranking mason who founded Lodges in Cairo and taught advanced occultism to some of his brethren in the Grand Orient lodges in Paris. <BR/><BR/><B>c) Masonic leader Mazzini and the Carbonari conspirators</B><BR/><BR/>HPB was influenced by their occult, revolutionary antics at an opportune and formative time in her life.<BR/><BR/><B>d) Charles Sotheran</B><BR/><BR/>Co-founder of the Theosophical Society itself; a Grand Secretary of the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite; 94th degree of Rite of Memphis; Supreme Council of the Swedenborgian Rite; and a learned member of the Society Rosae Crucis.<BR/><BR/>I won't even go further - I could - but this is getting way too long. <BR/><BR/>HPB was herself initiated by John Yarker into the Rite of Memphis; her admiration for the craft is indisputable; she learned of its higher secrets through her great-grandfather; the very word "Theosophy" is an appelation carried through from Jacob Boehme to Swedenborg, and preserved in the masonic lodges of the 18th century, where "Theosophy" was all the rage. The whole concept is masonic to the core. Without "masonry" there'd be no <I>Isis Unveiled</I>, or the <I>Secret Doctrine</I> - she simply would have had no one to crib from (some say plagiarize); and without the latter two foundational works ... there'd be no Theosophy.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Constance wrote "your weakness has been uncritical acceptance of the Lady Jane Queensborough, Eric Jon Phelps, Nesta Webster's of this world."<BR/><BR/>Perhaps at one time, I was a bit uncritical - even gullible. I've since become incredibly sceptical. I've had to discard many an author, as I went about cheching their citations (or lack thereof) firsthand. My only acid test when it comes to history is if it's verifiable; is it <B>real</B> in the truest sense of the word. A fact isn't a fact if it's not a fact. There's no grey area.<BR/><BR/>Phelps' stuff isn't the slightest bit scholarly. His <I>Vatican Assassins</I> book really does remind one of the ravings of a madman. Penning a screed purporting to expose the all-powerful Jesuits as the masterminds behind everything from scurvy, to the fake moon landing - and just because you say it's so - doesn't make it so. But you already knew this, didn't you. You warned me a while back; I think I even defended Phelps on your blog at one point.<BR/><BR/>I'll check on the Webster book; heard about it before. Her historical citations are always right on the money though. If she said so and so, said such and such, on this and that page ... she was 100% correct. Further, her translations of the correspondences of the Bavarian Illuminati are even more accurate than any other source I know of. Word for word; literal as possible. I know because I have the Original Writings in my possession, and have compared the translations of numerous authors to what I see in the originals.<BR/><BR/>On Queenborough: I wouldn't even cite her in anything. She's very sloppy, almost as unreliable as Phelps - if that's even possible.<BR/><BR/>When I said "gist of their research has been thoroughly vetted," I was referring to main premise behind both the works of those two woman: the attempt at establishing the validity of an occult conspiracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-47539491913614850072008-01-21T00:08:00.000-05:002008-01-21T00:08:00.000-05:00I am now going to republish my Federico Mayor Post...I am now going to republish my Federico Mayor Post because I think many missed it because of this intervening post. Thanks, "Oldmanoftheski" for the contribution!Constance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.com