tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post1098620514661968537..comments2024-03-28T16:55:05.098-04:00Comments on My perspective -- What Constance thinks: PEACE ON EARTH? SOLANA'S CHRISTMAS PRESENT THIS YEAR?Constance Cumbeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-42808440524085394842007-12-28T07:28:00.000-05:002007-12-28T07:28:00.000-05:00Hi Dawn, well, - it is wonderful that we can reaso...Hi Dawn, well, - it is wonderful that we can reason together nas remember that iron shaprens iron.<BR/><BR/>Let us all keep looking to the Word for our insight, our hope nad His leading.<BR/>May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you and your family.<BR/><BR/>DouginMIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-4867510801530140382007-12-27T20:27:00.000-05:002007-12-27T20:27:00.000-05:00Sapphire, you're right, I noted that. In another a...Sapphire, you're right, I noted that. In another article, Jack Kelley even proposes that the Temple could be built at Shiloh and not necessarily on the Mount. <B>I obviously don't have the answers and neither does anyone else.</B> But consider the rest of Whitcomb's article. Are the Two Witnesses going to duke it out with the False Prophet (who strangely hasn’t turned up yet) etc? And where does Gog & Magog figure in all this? It's going to be an awfully busy 31/2 years! And shock, horror have we already used up a year of the 70th week? Did the week start in Jan 07? Does this mean that we have only 21/2 years to go for the AOD? And at what point is Javier going to knock on my door requiring worship? I’m tipping not anytime soon because an honest assessment of the situation is <B>HE DOES NOT HAVE THAT SORT OF INFLUENCE YET.</B> Were he to visit Canberra Australia and inform our PM of his worship aspirations, he would be politely told where to shove it.<BR/><BR/>So far we don’t have a Temple and majority Israel at the moment don’t want one. To suggest that that you can use an altar in the interim is fine but you still will eventually require a temple for the AOD. Note, though, that while there has been an attempt to sacrifice a heifer, so far it hasn’t happened. And what does any critically thinking person believe will happen if Jews perform a sacrifice on the Temple Mount today? I’m not going to belabour this point as I don’t want to turn Constance’s site into a battle ground but I really think we need a dose of reality here regarding the 70th week!<BR/><BR/>For a good critical study of the Gog & Magog scenario, take a look at Doug Berner’s book: <A HREF="http://www.thesilenceisbroken.us/" REL="nofollow">The Silence is Broken! God Hooks Ezekiel’s Gog & Magog. </A><BR/><BR/>Constance, thanks for immortalising me. I am certainly not trying to disparage the work done by the regulars here and perhaps the ENP may figure in the future. <B>However, in all good conscience, I have a problem with people running around saying the week has begun.</B> Time will tell and I’m signing out on this subject in the interest of peace. Believe what you want.Alf Cengiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240699973297720789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-73612814833274562572007-12-27T14:13:00.000-05:002007-12-27T14:13:00.000-05:00Doug- I took no offense to your response. I only o...Doug- I took no offense to your response. I only offered the arguments that I have heard (such as Daniel 9:25 and Rev 6). Also, I really do believe that Lahaye's books have helped propelled all those ideas as "gospel".<BR/><BR/>My husband and I have studied this as well. He had been pre-trib up until about 10 years ago. Then someone challenged him. He spent several years looking and researching for an answer. We have settled into a pre-wrath view. So it seems that now we are always questioning popular theories (peace treaty, is it really 7 year trib, etc). <BR/><BR/>Thank you for your continued research and keep looking to the Bible for the answers.Dawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13184934943342018936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-44477634135993727102007-12-27T13:49:00.000-05:002007-12-27T13:49:00.000-05:00To Mac:I've been reading with great interest every...To Mac:<BR/><BR/>I've been reading with great interest everyone's opinions of the two witnesses. I have been watching and waiting to see what's going on concerning the temple, and it is intriguing to say the least.<BR/><BR/> I don't claim to be very gifted in interperting so I won't even try. However there is a great deal of situations that seem to be lining up. <BR/><BR/>I read the post that you provided a link for and I jus wanted to point out something. You made a statement earlier saying that the temple needed to be rebuilt before sacrifices could begin again. However, and I'll quote the article you provided:<BR/><BR/><I>Second, and more important, in the very next verse (Rev. 11:4), the ministry of the two witnesses is compared to the ministry of the two olive trees of Zech. 4:3, namely, Joshua the high priest and Zerubbabel the governor of the Jewish remnant, who returned from Babylon to re-establish legitimate worship in Jerusalem (Zech. 3:1 and 4:6). <B>These leaders did not have to wait for the Temple to be rebuilt to begin sacrificing on the altar which they erected on the ruins of Solomon's Temple</B> (cf. Ezra 3:2-3). By the same token, the two witnesses will not have to wait for the third temple to be built in order to begin<BR/>sacrificing on a divinely legitimate altar on the present ruins of the second temple. What they will need is supernatural protection to re-institute the sacrifices (cf. Dan. 9:27) in the presence of enormous, even global, opposition (cf. Rev. 11:10).</I><BR/><BR/>I bolded what I was curious about. If the people didn't wait for the temple to be rebuilt then, what is to say they couldn't erect some temporary building and begin sacrifices now while they start construction?Sapphirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10782258638470260875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-20876418660763629502007-12-27T12:00:00.000-05:002007-12-27T12:00:00.000-05:00Dear Mac,I respectfully disagree with your interpr...Dear Mac,<BR/><BR/>I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of the ENP. The only way to understand it is to understand its underlying "Barcelona Process." An Association Agreement with Israel was signed between Javier Solana and Shimon Peres in Brussels, Belgium on November 20, 1995, in the near wake of the Itzhak Rabin assassination on November 5, 1995. Two days later, November 22, 1995, Israel experienced the strongest earthquake ever in its history, 7.2 mw, epicentered at Eilat in the Gulf of Aqaba region. Heads rolled from Egyptian royal mummies undisturbed for thousands of years as a direct result of that quake. It is the only earthquake I have ever heard of that has been subjected to (unsuccessful) historical revision downwards. I believe the reason that earthquake news was in part suppressed was because it came to a region of the world important to three major world religions, only two days after Israel entered into a pact with the European Union. <BR/><BR/>All three religions: Jews, Christians and Moslems would have read something of significance of that quake coming immediately after that treaty signing. To be sure, they would have read DIFFERENT THINGS into it, but ALL would have read SOMETHING into it.<BR/><BR/>Reuters news stories the morning of the quake (11-22-95) stated that the quake had come in the wake of a political earthquake in the form of the Barcelona Conference which would be chaired exclusively by Javier Solana acting under a full power of attorney from the then 15 nation European Union and THE TEN NATION WESTERN EUROPEAN UNION (this is what IMHO was overlooked by biblical scholars) "a military federation." The goals were 3 fold: 1. BATTLE RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM -- WORLDWIDE; 2. Favorable trading terms for region participants leading to a Mediterranean Free Trade Zone by 2010; and 3. Get the USA OUT OF THE MEDITERRANEAN and/or greatly reduce its presence there.<BR/><BR/>The USA, per those 11-22-1995 press accounts requested "participant status" but were granted (by Dr. Solana) "observer status only."<BR/><BR/>Thanks to knowing how to use the internet proficiently, I too had 'observer status," albeit the poor man's way.<BR/><BR/>Both Israel and the Palestinian Union slobbered all over Solana. Ehud Barak said to all gathered that "at long last, Israel has joined the European Club". . . "these are the benefits of belonging to the European Club." Yasser Arafat came very close to calling Solana the Prince of Peace, using language very, very similar."<BR/><BR/>Within a week after that earthquake, they tried to say it was only 6.2 mw, 1/100th of the magnitude of a 7.2 m.w. quake. I later (1999) pulled a reluctant admission from the director of an Israeli based earthquake study (set up as part of the "peace process" to study Jordan Valley rift phenonemon) that indeed the quake had been 7.2 mw and that "the various observers have measured it between 7.1 mw and 7.3 mw. The 7.3 mw observation came from the Ontario Earthquake Research Center. For those with my CD you have a copy of their chart as well as the joint University of Michigan/Ohio State University joint earthquake research center charts.<BR/><BR/>Solana achieved his treaty. He was given sole credit for the "diplomatic accomplishment." <BR/><BR/>I sent emails to my entire distribution list on November 28, 1995 saying "watch out for this guy." <BR/><BR/>Two days later, he was unanimously, dark horse candidate, to the utter amazement of the Spanish press who knew of his Marxist, anti-NATO stance for many years, named the NEW HEAD OF NATO.<BR/><BR/>There is so much more, but Mac, I urge you, do not go back to sleep on this one. Real thing or power hungry wannabe, the results can be equally deadly.<BR/><BR/>As Lord Acton once said, "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."<BR/><BR/>It appears that we have come very close as a global society to granting Javier Solana absolute power. <BR/><BR/>This could potentially corrupt a Mother Theresa or St. Francis of Assisi, or maybe even you or I, given such unbridled powers. Either that, or assuming we (or Solana) were completely altruistic, would inspire others who knew what to do with such powers away from us and in the hands of others more ruthless.<BR/><BR/>It is time we all woke up and smelled the coffee. I have composed this as a response, but think now that I just might post it as well as a new blogspot article.<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/><BR/>CONSTANCE E. CUMBEYConstance Cumbeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181096121385621574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-20973849223205100152007-12-27T11:53:00.000-05:002007-12-27T11:53:00.000-05:00Have any of you read Joel Rosenberg's book "Epicen...Have any of you read Joel Rosenberg's book "Epicenter" which gives some insight how the maybe allowed to be built and Ezekiel 38-39, I think we see some interesting things soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-7701424869897359682007-12-27T11:18:00.000-05:002007-12-27T11:18:00.000-05:00Hi Dawn,Well here is Daniel 9:25-27 -- "009:025 Kn...Hi Dawn,<BR/>Well here is Daniel 9:25-27 -- "009:025 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. <BR/>009:026 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. <BR/>009:027 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. "<BR/>from the Authorized KJV - but I do not see the word peace. <BR/>I do understand Mr. Lahaye's position, but being a best selling author does not make him wrong - or right. The Left Behind series is a novel he wrote peppered with some Biblica items.<BR/>Rick Warren is extremely popular and sold millions of copies of his books also - but I would disagree with him on numerous things - which in his eyes and own writings means I should be put out of his assembly.<BR/>Yes, I agree the 70th week is a 7 year period.<BR/><BR/>I do know what it says in Revelation 6:2 regarding the 1st horseman <BR/>"006:002 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." <BR/>In Revelation 6:4 - <BR/>"006:004 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."<BR/><BR/>2nd horseman given pwer to take peace from the earth. <BR/><BR/>- but as far as the confirmation of the covenant - it being a peace treaty is not specifically stated. <BR/><BR/>I personally think it will be confirmation of the Abrahamic covenant and Israel's right to exist.<BR/>I have spent personal time with some well known individuals in the prophecy circle by God's grace and I will not drop names - that would be very prideful on my part. <BR/>My opportunity to meet them and speak with them was by His grace - nothing else, there are others who hold a different view that Mr. Lahaye.<BR/>I appreciate your position and answer, I am in no way trying to criticize your thoughts - only reason together.<BR/><BR/>DouginMIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-59641442423420992082007-12-27T10:25:00.000-05:002007-12-27T10:25:00.000-05:00"DouginMI said...I am still wondering why there ar..."DouginMI said...<BR/><BR/>I am still wondering why there are many who think it will be a peace treaty?"<BR/><BR/>I think this is for several reasons. 1) the popularity of Tim Lahaye.<BR/>2) the following interpretations (promoted by Lahaye):<BR/>a. The first horse(Rev 6:2) being one who conquers by peace<BR/>b. That Daniel's 70 week is a 7 year period. <BR/>c. Daniel 9:25-27's confirmation of a treaty is a peace treaty.<BR/> I am sure there is more but those are the ones that I can remember. You must remember that these ideas are not only in Lahaye's non-fiction books but is all in his "Left Behind" series (which several if not all were on the best seller list) sold 65 million copies. <BR/><BR/>I hope this helps.Dawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13184934943342018936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-47538828958954251192007-12-27T10:03:00.001-05:002007-12-27T10:03:00.001-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13184934943342018936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-74088593608790728042007-12-27T10:03:00.000-05:002007-12-27T10:03:00.000-05:00With all due respect, Mac, your statement re. "pur...With all due respect, Mac, your statement re. "pure speculation" hints at ignorance of the facts and is no less than a "slap in the face," in my humble opinion, to the fastidious scholarship of Mr. Herb Peters, Constance and others.<BR/><BR/>Have a nice day.<BR/><BR/>A fellow watchwomanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-78212874144748014812007-12-27T09:02:00.000-05:002007-12-27T09:02:00.000-05:00I am still wondering why there are many who think ...I am still wondering why there are many who think it will be a peace treaty?<BR/>I read there will be a "confirmation of a coveneant" - but I do not read pace treaty - <BR/>Dan.9<BR/>[27] "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."<BR/>I know that many read into this peace treaty due to the fact of the statement "when they say peace and saftey" - but beyond that I thinl it is reading into the scripture. <BR/><BR/>DouginMIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-43279030379019972502007-12-27T05:59:00.000-05:002007-12-27T05:59:00.000-05:00There's no harm in getting different perspectives....There's no harm in getting different perspectives.<BR/><A HREF="http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/the-eu-and-the-7-year-treaty" REL="nofollow">The EU And The 7 Year Treaty</A>Alf Cengiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240699973297720789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-21554909021969950802007-12-27T04:11:00.000-05:002007-12-27T04:11:00.000-05:00Sorry, guys; call me a doubting Thomas, but I thin...Sorry, guys; call me a doubting Thomas, but I think the ENP is just that, the ENP, until something more concrete turns up. It wasn’t specifically designed to address the ME problem and IMO I think it’s a stretch to call it out as being the covenant signed by many. So far Solana, Blair, Rice and Bush have been impotent in striking a peace deal in the ME - this, despite the fact that Bush and Rice have been coercing Israel behind the scenes to make concessions. But here’s another inconsistency. Unless I’m mistaken no one here has, as yet, come straight out and called Solana the AC. I’m certainly not prepared to as I can come up with other plausible scenarios. I can only speculate that what Constance and Herb have discovered is very intriguing to say the least but that Solana may just be one of the many people facilitating the “Throne” for the AC. But shouldn’t those who are convinced that we are, in fact, in the 70th week also be convinced that Solana is the Antichrist? Is anyone posting on this blog prepared to call him that and warn people? I certainly wouldn’t be. <BR/><BR/>David, it’s not a fact that we’re in the 70th week; it’s pure speculation. Beware sensationalism. And speaking of facts; you make a very good point about checking them.<BR/>There are many different views out there regarding the rapture, Gog & Magog and Daniel’s 70th week. I find this perspective of the timing of the Two Witnesses more convincing than your hypothesis. But as Christians we can have differences and still get along, right? <BR/><A HREF="http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=337" REL="nofollow">The Two Witnesses: First or Second Half of the Tribulation?</A>Alf Cengiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240699973297720789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-82185085939629595852007-12-26T23:18:00.000-05:002007-12-26T23:18:00.000-05:00The European Neighbourhood Policy is a "Covenant w...The European Neighbourhood Policy is a "Covenant with Many" -- with many countries . . . read Herb's analysis, it is right on !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-18562846988175392882007-12-26T23:12:00.000-05:002007-12-26T23:12:00.000-05:00The link I gave didn't seem to work when it was po...The link I gave didn't seem to work when it was posted here. Here's another try. <BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2odrde<BR/><BR/>If this doesn't work, do your own search using the appropriate terms.<BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-41355862101706458832007-12-26T23:04:00.000-05:002007-12-26T23:04:00.000-05:00Here's another link regarding the Serbs. A while ...Here's another link regarding the Serbs. A while back Constance pointed out to me that two groups of people were independent enough to fight the NWO and the EU, the Serbs and the Israelis. Without that insight I didn't have a clue what the battle over Kosovo was and why Solana was involved in both. That's why both groups are being slapped down so hard. <BR/><BR/>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071226/ap_on_re_eu/serbia_kosovo;_ylt=AoPcSDkAMDXg_TkEgv3OVHis0NUEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-90821646886366482862007-12-26T22:40:00.000-05:002007-12-26T22:40:00.000-05:00ok that didn't work. Here's a linkok that didn't work. <A HREF="http://thepre-wrathtribune.blogspot.com/2007/07/timing-two-witnesses.html" REL="nofollow"> Here's a link</A>David J. Butterfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115008702977534249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-16601349614445817492007-12-26T22:39:00.000-05:002007-12-26T22:39:00.000-05:00mac, you may want to check this out:http://thepre-...mac, you may want to check this out:<BR/><BR/>http://thepre-wrathtribune.blogspot.com/2007/07/timing-two-witnesses.htmlDavid J. Butterfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115008702977534249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-6523211876915616222007-12-26T22:22:00.000-05:002007-12-26T22:22:00.000-05:00Mac:"But, David, let me ask you this – what is the...Mac:<BR/><BR/>"But, David, let me ask you this – what is the compelling evidence that we’re in the 70th week? Annapolis was a debacle – where is the covenant with many? Where are the two witnesses? Do they come along later in the week, like the Temple?"<BR/><BR/>Many people have false expectations of a peace treaty between Israel and a middle-eastern anti-christ, but you won't find this in Scripture. I believe the ENP fits the bill to the T, and I haven't seen anybody who's been able to disqualify it based on Scripture instead of man's reasoning.<BR/><BR/>Compelling evidence? Have you been following these blogs? Have you read the Reccomendation(s) 666? Find a Scripture that declares that the Two Witnesses will be around for the first 1260 days. They would have to be for pre-trib to work, but there's alot of things that have been twisted around to try and make that doctrine appear to, and that is one of them. I believe satan has been working to give people false expectations so they won't see it coming... i.e., a "thief in the night". Every 1260 day event in Scripture as far as Eschatology goes appears to be simultanious to me, and I've never seen any decisive evidence otherwise.<BR/><BR/>Check out my blog for what I think the first seal may have been(and likely was), there's a link under "key posts".<BR/><BR/>Once again, check your facts.David J. Butterfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09115008702977534249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-9572789617944702142007-12-26T22:13:00.000-05:002007-12-26T22:13:00.000-05:00I wonder how Solana will handle Serbia with its re...I wonder how Solana will handle Serbia with its recent resolution to not join the EU or NATO. Check it out:<BR/><BR/>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071226/ap_on_re_eu/serbia_kosovo_3<BR/><BR/>David in Battle CreekAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-33856305154475956212007-12-26T20:30:00.000-05:002007-12-26T20:30:00.000-05:00Rudi, someone seems to fancy himself the "director...Rudi, someone seems to fancy himself the "director" and everyone else merely "actors" (of varying degrees), or "non-actors."<BR/> <BR/>Have a nice evening.<BR/><BR/>A fellow watchwoman<BR/><BR/>P.S. Anonymous 7:53, you may wish to check your link, <BR/>http://tinyurl.com/3dgpv5Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-58225793797648116792007-12-26T19:58:00.000-05:002007-12-26T19:58:00.000-05:00B U R M A S H A V EB U R M A S H A V EAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-66399837479480679622007-12-26T19:57:00.000-05:002007-12-26T19:57:00.000-05:00"I heard the bells on Christmas DayTheir old famil..."I heard the bells on Christmas Day<BR/>Their old familiar carols play<BR/>Then loud ad sweet I heard the words<BR/>of Peace on Earth, Good will to men<BR/><BR/>THERE IS NO PEACE ON EARTH, I SAID"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-91961242272963971182007-12-26T19:56:00.000-05:002007-12-26T19:56:00.000-05:00One Europe/One World Under Solana? 2010 Headline ...One Europe/One World Under Solana? 2010 Headline Goal will be a most impressive start:<BR/><BR/>http://www.armedforces.co.uk/mod/listings/l0023.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-44904029818921822652007-12-26T19:53:00.000-05:002007-12-26T19:53:00.000-05:00http://tinyurl.com/3dgpv5http://tinyurl.com/3dgpv5Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com