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He's not talking about the biblical dietary laws. As for picking food on the Shabbat...even Jews recognize that the value of human life super-cedes everything else. For the same reason doctors work on Shabbat. <BR/><BR/>Anytime Yeshua was accused by the Pharisees of "breaking the Shabbat" He was either healing something or not chastising the disciples for picking food. He was Lord of the Shabbat and said<BR/>Shabbat is made for man not the reverse. <BR/><BR/>This is a discussion about halakah, not whether Yeshua broke Shabbat. It was impossible for Him since He was the Creator of it. <BR/><BR/>I just want to post your quote here. Len said:<BR/><BR/>"What you cannot seem to get into your thick skull is that Talmudic Judaism and Torah Judaism are one and the same. The former merely explains and codifies the latter."<BR/><BR/>What I say to this is rubbish. That's what the rabbis have said.. Why then does it say, Rabbi X says this but Rabbi Y says that? If you were to say that Talmud is a commentary, I could live with that..but to put it up at the save level as the revealed Word of God is just rubbish. To compare Rabbi Y and Z with the revelation of Torah to Moses up on Mt Sinai...I don't think so.. At best, it's commentary, at worst it distorts the revelation of God to Moses which is all about Yeshua. <BR/><BR/>Look what Yeshua says..but of course you'll argue with Him, I'm sure:<BR/><BR/>John 5:46 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.<BR/>John 5:47 “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”<BR/><BR/>No, I'm not the "thick-skulled" one Len...I will listen to truth when it's presented to me... Will you?<BR/><BR/>b'shem Yeshua,<BR/>JoyceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-5183181109518798442008-12-17T05:05:00.000-05:002008-12-17T05:05:00.000-05:00Oh just a few words from Torah about Yeshua's name...Oh just a few words from Torah about Yeshua's name:<BR/><BR/>Gen. 49:18 “aFor Your salvation I wait, O LORD.<BR/><BR/>3444. hDo…wv◊y yeshuah [447b]; from 3467; salvation:—deeds of deliverance(1), deliverance(6), help(m)(4), prosperity(m)(1), salvation(61), save(1), saving(1), security(1), victories(m)(1), victory(m)(1).<BR/><BR/>Now for some more quotes from Tanakh:<BR/><BR/>But Moses said to the people, “aDo not fear! 1Stand by and see bthe YESHUAH of the LORD which He will accomplish for you today; for the Egyptians whom you have seen today, you will never see them again forever. <BR/><BR/>Ex. 15:2 “1aThe LORD is my strength and song, <BR/> And He has become my YESHUAH<BR/><BR/>Deut. 32:15 ¶ “aBut 1Jeshurun grew fat and kicked — (Jeshurun is a reference to Israel)<BR/> You are grown fat, thick, and sleek — <BR/> bThen he forsook God cwho made him, <BR/> And scorned dthe Rock of his YESHUAH<BR/><BR/>1 Sam 2:1b My mouth speaks boldly against my enemies, Because I rejoice in Your YESHUAH.<BR/><BR/>1Chr. 16:23 aSing to the LORD, all the earth; <BR/> Proclaim good tidings of His YESHUAH from day to day. <BR/><BR/>2Chr. 20:17 ‘You need not fight in this battle; station yourselves, astand and see the YESHUAH of the LORD on your behalf, O Judah and Jerusalem.’ Do not fear or be dismayed; tomorrow go out to face them, bfor the LORD is with you.” <BR/><BR/>Job 13:16 “This also will be my YESHUAH, <BR/> For a godless man may not come before His presence. <BR/><BR/>Psa. 3:8 1YESHUAH belongs to the LORD; <BR/> Your blessing be upon Your people! <BR/><BR/>Psa. 9:14 That I may tell of aall Your praises, <BR/> That in the gates of the daughter of Zion <BR/> I may rejoice in Your YESHUAH<BR/><BR/>Psa. 13:5 ¶ But I have trusted in Your lovingkindness; My heart shall brejoice in Your YESHUAH<BR/><BR/>Psa. 14:7 ¶ Oh, that the YESHUAH of Israel 1would come out of Zion! When the LORD 2brestores His captive people, Jacob will rejoice, Israel will be glad<BR/><BR/>Psa. 21:1 ¶ O LORD, in Your strength the king will abe glad, And in Your YESHUAH how greatly he will rejoice! <BR/><BR/>Psa. 21:5 His aglory is great through Your YESHUAH, Splendor and majesty You place upon him. <BR/><BR/>Psa. 35:3 Draw also the spear and 1the battle-axe to meet those who pursue me; <BR/> Say to my soul, “I am your YESHUAH.” <BR/><BR/>Psa. 35:9 ¶ And my soul shall arejoice in the LORD; <BR/> It shall bexult in His YESHUAH. <BR/><BR/>Psa. 53:6 Oh, that athe YESHUAH of Israel would come out of Zion! When God restores His captive people, Let Jacob rejoice, let Israel be glad. <BR/><BR/>Psa. 62:1 ¶ aMy soul waits in silence for God only; <BR/> From Him is my YESHUAH<BR/><BR/>Psa. 62:2 He only is my arock and my YESHUAH, <BR/> My stronghold; I shall not be greatly shaken.<BR/> <BR/>Psa. 62:6 He only is amy rock and my YESHUAH, <BR/><BR/>Psa. 67:2 That aYour way may be known on the earth, Your YESHUAH among all nations.<BR/><BR/>Psa. 68:19 ¶ Blessed be the Lord, who daily abears our burden, The God who is our YESHUAH. Selah. <BR/>Psa. 69:29 ¶ But I am aafflicted and in pain; <BR/> 1May Your YESHUAH, O God, bset me securely on high. <BR/>Psa. 70:4 ¶ Let all who seek You rejoice and be glad in You; And let those who love Your YESHUAH say continually, “Let God be magnified.” <BR/>_________________________________________________<BR/><BR/>Psa. 78:22 Because they did not believe in God <BR/> And did not trust in His YESHUAH.<BR/>_________________________________________________<BR/><BR/>Psa. 88:1 ¶ O LORD, the God of my YESHUAH, <BR/> I have cried out by day and in the night before You. <BR/>Psa. 89:26 “He will cry to Me, ‘You are my Father, <BR/> My God, and the brock of my YESHUAH.’ <BR/><BR/>Psa. 91:16 “With 1a along life I will satisfy him <BR/> And 2blet him see My YESHUAH” <BR/><BR/> 96:2 Sing to the LORD, bless His name; <BR/> Proclaim good tidings of His YESHUAH from day to day. <BR/>Psa. 98:2 aThe LORD has made known His YESHUAH ; <BR/> He has brevealed His righteousness in the sight of the nations. <BR/>Psa. 98:3 He has aremembered His lovingkindness and His faithfulness to the house of Israel; <BR/> All the ends of the earth have seen the YESHUAH of our God. <BR/>Psa. 106:4 ¶ Remember me, O LORD, in Your afavor 1toward Your people; <BR/> Visit me with Your YESHUAH, <BR/>Psa. 116:13 I shall lift up the cup of YESHUAH <BR/> And call upon the name of the LORD. <BR/><BR/>Psa. 118:14 1aThe LORD is my strength and song, <BR/> And He has become bmy YESHUAH <BR/><BR/>Psa. 118:15 ¶ The sound of ajoyful shouting and YESHUAH is in the tents of the righteous; <BR/> The bright hand of the LORD does valiantly.<BR/> <BR/>Psa. 118:21 I shall give thanks to You, for You have aanswered me, <BR/> And You have bbecome my YESHUAH. <BR/><BR/>Psa. 119:123 My aeyes fail with longing for Your YESHUAH <BR/> And for Your righteous 1word. <BR/>Psa. 119:155 YESHUAH is far from the wicked, <BR/> For they do not seek Your statutes. <BR/>Psa. 119:166 I ahope for Your YESHUAH, O LORD, <BR/> And do Your commandments. <BR/>Psa. 119:174 I along for Your YESHUAH, O LORD, <BR/><BR/>Psa. 140:7 “O 1GOD the Lord, athe strength of my YESHUAH, You have covered my head in the day of 2battle. <BR/><BR/>Psa. 149:4 For the LORD atakes pleasure in His people; He will beautify the afflicted ones with YESHUAH. <BR/><BR/>And now from Isaiah:<BR/><BR/>Is. 12:2 “Behold, aGod is my YESHUAH, <BR/> I will btrust and not be afraid; <BR/> For cthe LORD GOD is my strength and song, <BR/> And He has become my YESHUAH.” <BR/>Is. 12:3 Therefore you will joyously adraw water <BR/> From the bsprings of YESHUAH...( Yes, Yeshua is the Living Water)<BR/><BR/>Is. 25:9 And it will be said in that day, <BR/> “Behold, athis is our God for whom we have bwaited that cHe might save us. <BR/> This is the LORD for whom we have waited; <BR/> dLet us rejoice and be glad in His salvation.” <BR/>Is. 33:2 O LORD, be gracious to us; we have waited for You. <BR/> Be their strength every morning, <BR/> Our YESHUAH also in the dtime of distress. <BR/>Is. 33:6 And He will be the stability of your times, <BR/> A wealth of YESHUAH wisdom and knowledge; <BR/> The fear of the LORD is his treasure.<BR/><BR/>Is. 49:6 He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant <BR/> To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; <BR/> I will also make You a light of the nations <BR/> So that My YESHUAH may reach to the end of the earth.” <BR/><BR/>( It is Yeshua, the light of the world who will restore Israel)<BR/><BR/>Is. 49:8 ¶ Thus says the LORD, <BR/> “In a favorable time I have answered You, <BR/> And in a day of YESHUAH I have helped You; <BR/> And I will keep You and give You for a covenant of the people, <BR/> To restore the land, to make them inherit the desolate heritages;<BR/><BR/>Is. 51:5 “My arighteousness is near, My YESHUAH has gone forth, <BR/> And My barms will judge the peoples; <BR/> The ccoastlands will wait for Me, <BR/> And for My darm they will wait expectantly. <BR/>Is. 51:6 “aLift up your eyes to the sky, <BR/> Then look to the earth beneath; <BR/> For the bsky will vanish like smoke, <BR/> And the bearth will wear out like a garment <BR/> And its inhabitants will die 1in like manner; <BR/> But My YESHUAH will be forever, <BR/> And My righteousness will not 2wane. <BR/>Is. 51:8 “For the amoth will eat them like a garment, <BR/> And the bgrub will eat them like wool. <BR/> But My crighteousness will be forever, <BR/> And My YESHUAH to all generations.” <BR/>Is. 52:7 ¶ How lovely on the mountains <BR/> Are the feet of him who brings agood news, <BR/> Who announces 1peace <BR/> And brings good news of 2happiness, <BR/> Who announces YESHUAH <BR/> And says to Zion, “Your God 3reigns!” <BR/>Is. 52:10 The LORD has bared His holy arm <BR/> In the sight of all the nations, <BR/> That ball the ends of the earth may see <BR/> The YESHUAH of our God. <BR/><BR/>s. 56:1 ¶ Thus says the LORD, <BR/> “Preserve justice and do righteousness, <BR/> For My YESHUAH is about to come <BR/> And My righteousness to be revealed. <BR/><BR/>Is. 59:11 All of us growl like bears, <BR/> And amoan sadly like doves; <BR/> We hope for bjustice, but there is none, <BR/> For YESHUAH, but it is far from us. <BR/><BR/>Is. 59:17 He put on arighteousness like a breastplate, <BR/> And a helmet of YESUAH on His head; <BR/> And He put on garments of vengeance for clothing And wrapped Himself with zeal as a mantle. <BR/>Is. 60:18 “Violence will not be heard again in your land, Nor devastation or destruction within your borders; But you will call your walls YESHUAH, and your gates praise. <BR/><BR/>Is. 62:1 ¶ For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent, <BR/> And for Jerusalem’s sake I will not keep quiet, <BR/> Until her righteousness goes forth like brightness, And her YESHUAH like a torch that is burning.<BR/><BR/><BR/>and there are numerous other passages in Tanakh and in the Apostles writings:<BR/><BR/>I'll just attach one:<BR/><BR/>Rev. 19:1 ¶ And after these things I heard a great voice of a great multitude in the heaven, saying, ‘Alleluia! the YESHUAH, and the glory, and the honour, and the power, [is] to the Lord our God; <BR/><BR/><BR/>YESHUAH IS the LORD GOD..<BR/><BR/>God is salvation and Yeshua is God.<BR/><BR/>If you don't see it, it's because you refuse to hear God's voice. It is all over Tanakh....Yeshua is who He claims to be. He proclaimed this during Hanukah:<BR/><BR/>John 10:22 ¶ At that time the Feast of the Dedication ( Chanukah) took place at Jerusalem; <BR/>John 10:23 it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon. <BR/>John 10:24 The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, “How long 1will You keep us in suspense? If You are 2the Christ, tell us plainly.” <BR/>John 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me.<BR/>John 10:26 “But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.<BR/>John 10:27 “My sheep ahear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;<BR/>John 10:28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.<BR/>John 10:29 “1My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.<BR/>John 10:30 “I and the Father are one.”<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>You are not Yeshua's sheep, but after reading all that God says about Yeshua in the Tanakh, it would be good if you could hear His voice.. His sheep have eternal life and salvation..Yeshua is echad with His Father.. Yes, I am very, very stubborn.. <BR/><BR/>I WILL: " Sing to the LORD, all the earth; Proclaim good tidings of His YESHUAH from day to day."<BR/><BR/>Happy Chanukah!!<BR/>JoyceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-13341475385199448302008-12-17T01:11:00.000-05:002008-12-17T01:11:00.000-05:00Len and Dorothy, You agree with each other, so wha...Len and Dorothy, <BR/><BR/>You agree with each other, so what can I say. <BR/>I'm not at all insecure about what I believe and I don't believe I will convince you, but the Ruach HaKodesh will. If you want to wait to bend your knee to Yeshua, if you think your own righteousness is adequate to enter the kingdom, then what can I say? Go ahead and wait...but I don't think your making a wise decision. <BR/><BR/>As for the whole argument who is a Jew...<BR/><BR/>http://www.hopeinmessiah.org/believersstilljewish.htm<BR/><BR/>I guess this guy is meshuganah too with 19 generations of rabbis in his family !<BR/>http://www.hopeinmessiah.org/index.htm<BR/><BR/><BR/>In the end, we will see who is right..<BR/><BR/>In the meantime, I bless you in Yeshua's name, the only name in heaven and on the earth in which men can be saved..<BR/><BR/>JoyceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-16231513694930145382008-12-16T17:46:00.000-05:002008-12-16T17:46:00.000-05:00JOYCEWhen you deliberately lie in one place, which...JOYCE<BR/>When you deliberately lie in one place, which you did when you stated,<BR/>"The centuries of persecution to Jews in Jesus name make you hate anything to do with Yeshua. Yeshua never told any Church to persecute Jews.. Don't blame Him for that", it is obvious to me you are not to be trusted in anything you say. <BR/><BR/>As I said, your character which has been influenced by your messianic beliefs, is not one I would care to emulate under any circumstances. <BR/><BR/>I don't hate you either. I feel pity for you that you feel the need to pressure those who disagree with you in any way. That is a classic sign of your own insecurity. <BR/><BR/>As for the individual Jesus, what I know about him from the book makes his in my eyes an interesting individual, but no more important than any other philosopher in history. If you or others want to love him for your own reasons, it's none of my business.<BR/><BR/>LEN<BR/>You continue to speak logically to someone who is emotionally involved with the individual Christians have idealized. It provides much emotional comfort to many who need such a support system. They do not realize that not everyone loves whoever they love. <BR/><BR/>Christians who take their religion seriously and don't use it as a club to beat others on the head with, have developed a good system of morals based on extending that feeling of love. It may not be logical, but it works for a lot of people.<BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-70809602404015916572008-12-16T17:18:00.000-05:002008-12-16T17:18:00.000-05:0012/16/2008Joyce wrote: “I think you are the one wh...12/16/2008<BR/>Joyce wrote: “I think you are the one who is stubborn because you are holding on to religion which is a substitute for a relationship with the Living God. That and two dollars may get you on a NYC subway, but it will not gain you entrance to the Kingdom of God.”<BR/><BR/>What does the Tanakh say about Who the Living God is?<BR/><BR/>Deut. 5: 23 For who is there of all flesh, who heard the voice of the living God speaking from the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived? 24 You approach, and hear all that the Lord, our God, will say, and you speak to us all that the Lord, our God, will speak to you, and we will hear and do. 25 And the Lord heard the sound of your words when you spoke to me, and the Lord said to me, "I have heard the sound of the words of this people that they have spoken to you; they have done well in all that they have spoken. 26 Would that their hearts be like this, to fear Me and to keep all My commandments all the days, that it might be well with them and with their children forever! 27 Go say to them, 'Return to your tents.' 28 But as for you, stand here with Me, and I will speak to you all the commandments, the statutes, and the ordinances which you will teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess. 29 Keep them to perform [them] as the Lord your God has commanded you; do not turn aside either to the right or to the left. 30 In all the way which the Lord, your God, has commanded you, you shall go, in order that you may live and that it may be well with you, and so that you may prolong your days in the land you will possess.<BR/><BR/>Jer. 10: 10 But the Lord God is true; He is a living God and the King of the world; from His anger the earth quakes, and the nations cannot contain His fury. 11 So shall you say to them, "The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth, shall perish from the earth and from beneath these heavens.<BR/><BR/>Now who do you think Jeremiah was talking about in Vs. 11? And in the next verse Jeremiah could havre been talking top you, Joyce:<BR/><BR/>Jer. 23: 36 And --- you pervert the words of the living God, the Lord of Hosts, our God<BR/><BR/>Hos. 2: 1 And the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which shall neither be measured nor counted; and it shall come to pass that, instead of saying to them, "You are not My people," it shall be said to them, "The children of the living God."<BR/><BR/>Dan. 6: 27 From before me an order is issued that in the entire dominion of my kingdom, [everyone] should quake and be awestricken before the God of Daniel, for He is a living God, He exists forever, and His kingdom will not be destroyed, nor will His dominion until the end.<BR/><BR/>Joyce, you are trying to destroy the kingdom of Daniel’s living God, Who is also my living God, and substitute the kingdom of another god who is dead. As David wrote:<BR/><BR/>Psalm 115: 2 Why should the nations say, "Where is your God now?" 3 But our God is in heaven; whatever He wishes, He does. 4 Their idols are silver and gold, the handiwork of man. 5 They have a mouth but they do not speak; they have eyes but they do not see. 6 They have ears but they do not hear; they have a nose but they do not smell. 7 Their hands-but they do not feel; their feet-but they do not walk; they do not murmur with their throat. 8 Like them shall be those who make them, all who trust in them. 9 Israel, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield. 10 House of Aaron, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield. 11 Those who fear the Lord, trust in the Lord; He is their help and their shield. 12 The Lord, Who remembered us, will bless; He will bless the house of Israel; He will bless the house of Aaron. 13 He will bless those who fear the Lord, the small together with the great. (Also Ps. 135:<BR/><BR/>Psalm 147: 19 He tells His words to Jacob, His statutes and His judgments to Israel. 20 He did not do so to any nation, and they did not know the judgments. Hallelujah!<BR/><BR/>Joyce further restates her mantra: “You must have your sins atoned for by the blood of Messiah” although such a requirement is nowhere in the Tanakh. On the contrary, as Ezekiel said, and I repeat:<BR/><BR/>Ezek. 18: 30 --- repent and cause others to repent of all your transgressions, and it will not be a stumbling block of iniquity for you. 31 Cast away from yourselves all your transgressions whereby you have transgressed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit, and why should you die, O house of Israel! 32 For I do not desire the death of him who dies, says the Lord God: so repent and live!"<BR/><BR/>So Joyce is calling the Prophet a liar.<BR/><BR/>Blood will not save you so let me repeat Ezekiel’s advice to you Joyce: “repent and live!"<BR/><BR/>Peace and blessing,<BR/>LenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-77356573463079144352008-12-16T16:28:00.000-05:002008-12-16T16:28:00.000-05:0012/16/2008Joyce insists she is not a Christian.Chr...12/16/2008<BR/><BR/>Joyce insists she is not a Christian.<BR/><BR/>Chris·tian (krschn)<BR/>adj.<BR/>1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.<BR/>2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.<BR/>3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.<BR/>4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.<BR/>5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.<BR/>n.<BR/>1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows a religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.<BR/>2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-62711446650951330002008-12-16T15:50:00.000-05:002008-12-16T15:50:00.000-05:00Dear Len and Dorothy,You are both mistaken. I did...Dear Len and Dorothy,<BR/>You are both mistaken. I didn't invent any new anything ...There are thousands today who agree with me, and the numbers growing daily. <BR/><BR/>The early believers in Yeshua saw themselves as Jews and so do people like myself. Dorothy, when I showed you the Scriptures that indicate that you responded by saying you don't read my posts, so either you do or you don't. If you don't you don't have the right to critique them. If you do, you will see that the book of Acts plainly says myriads of Jews put their faith in Yeshua and were zealous for Torah. It never called them "Christians" nor did they consider themselves Christians. I have not "created" a new religion. <BR/><BR/>From Abraham on all the great men of faith looked forward to Yeshua's coming and now the great people of faith look back... <BR/><BR/><BR/>Len has not said anything new that Judaism hasn't said before.. I have a long list of quotes from rabbis who affirm the statements and Scriptures that I and Leana quoted from are about Messiah including Isaiah 53...so am I stubborn..?? I guess if you call stubborn if you want, but I think you are the one who is stubborn because you are holding on to religion which is a substitute for a relationship with the Living God. That and two dollars may get you on a NYC subway, but it will not gain you entrance to the Kingdom of God. <BR/><BR/>You must have your sins atoned for by the blood of Messiah and then you will be able to see, until then I am sad to say with all of your intellect you will be like some of the First Century religious leaders who rejected the Messiah when He came and dwelled among them...Do not envy them, nor do I envy you. <BR/><BR/>Your so afraid that belief in Yeshua changes your Jewish identity. If you are a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the House of Judah, it's not the belief in the Jewish Messiah that changes your identity. That's the lie that's been passed down for generations by some of your rabbis. We'll guess what, the ones that stoned the prophets were wrong and so are the rabbis. I pray that Messiah will open their eyes...<BR/><BR/>The centuries of persecution to Jews in Jesus name make you hate anything to do with Yeshua. Yeshua never told any Church to persecute Jews.. Don't blame Him for that. <BR/><BR/>And I pray for all the Jewish people, especially you Len and Dorothy in Yeshua's Name,<BR/>JoyceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-26025026801277810172008-12-16T11:10:00.000-05:002008-12-16T11:10:00.000-05:0012/16/2008Joyce disagrees with me “that all Israel...12/16/2008<BR/><BR/>Joyce disagrees with me “that all Israel are Jews based on Scripture.” She says that I am “using current practice to prove that and that proves nothing. The Bible never calls the Northern Kingdom "Jews" only Israelites. This has confused the issue for many centuries. Judah needs to ackwowledge that Israel is in the nations, and never practiced Judaism. They didn't even follow Torah at a certain point, which is why they ended up in the nations, so what you are saying is not logical.”<BR/><BR/>With all due respect, Joyce, your objections are completely irrelevant and off base. That is like saying the signers of the constitution were never Americans because they practiced “Thirteen-Statism” or “colonialism.” Time moves on and things change but the Jews today are essentially the Israelites of yesterday. We have the same Torah and Tanakh, the same prophets, the same Ten Commandments, the same 613 commanments with the proviso that in the absence of the Temple those related commandments are in suspension. When the Temple is rebuilt, those suspended laws will become reactivated. We follow the food laws, the ethical laws, and all the other laws you can name. We observe all the biblical holy days and use the biblical calendar.<BR/><BR/>Take off your blinders, Joyce. Having discarded the family jewels you are saying that they were only glass imitations all the time. Those jewels are still genuine and, what’s more, they are available to anyone who wants to rejoin or join the family.<BR/><BR/>Joyce said “that the Jews have preserved the Torah is a good thing. The fact that they have changed Torah into Tamudic Judaism is not.” What you cannot seem to get into your thick skull is that Talmudic Judaism and Torah Judaism are one and the same. The former merely explains and codifies the latter. Would you condemn US law as being “Supreme-Court” law and no longer constitutional law?” Would you visit a doctor for treatment when he learned his practice from textbooks and never worked in a hospital or clinic?<BR/><BR/>It is the messianics who use man-made laws instead of Torah laws. One messianic “rabbi” has his fringe strings attached to his belt. But the Torah says they must be attached to a four-cornered garment. The Torah says that matza on Passover is a reminder of the Exodus but messianics reinterpret it to be a reminder of Jesus’ body (and wine of his blood). And you have the nerve to accuse JEWS of substituting man-made laws for Torah ones???<BR/><BR/>The Torah says that the food laws are crucial but Jesus said that what comes out of your mouth is more important than what goes in. (For Judaism BOTH are important). The Torah says to honor parents but Jesus told his followers to reject their parents and follow him. The Torah says to not reap on the Sabbath but Jesus says it is OK for people to pick fruit off trees if they are so moved. The Torah says that, if you repent your sin will be forgiven but messianics say that only Jesus can forgive. So who follows Torah law; Jews or Christians?<BR/><BR/>Joyce insists that “Ephraim was adopted according to --- Gen. 48:5 “Now your two sons, who were born to you in the land of Egypt before I came to you in Egypt, are mine; Ephraim and Manasseh shall be mine, as bReuben and Simeon are.”<BR/><BR/>That did not constitute an adoption because Joseph did not stop being their father. It was merely Jacob’s manner of granting them a double portion of his estate and making them co-equal tribes with Jacob’s other sons. What Jacob did was to give Joseph the double share that would have normally been given to Reuben.<BR/><BR/>Gen. 48: 21 And Israel said to Joseph, "Behold, I am going to die, and God will be with you, and He will return you to the land of your forefathers. 22 And I have given you one portion over your brothers, which I took from the hand of the Amorite with my sword and with my bow."<BR/><BR/>Ezek. 47:13 So said the Lord God: This is the border whereby you shall divide the land for inheritance to the twelve tribes of Israel, Joseph [taking two] portions. 14 And you shall inherit it, one as another, being that I lifted up My hand to give it to your forefathers, and this land shall be to you an inheritance.<BR/><BR/>Joyce said “As for praying in the name of Yeshua, that's whose name I pray in and I don't mean to offend you but I am not going to stop praying in Yeshua's name for you or anyone else. “<BR/><BR/>You can pray in the name of whomever you wish but, under these circumstances, I would be offended it you pray for me. Dorothy made clear that I cannot speak for her.<BR/><BR/>Joyce claims to have a list of prophecies that Jesus fulfilled but I presented a more important list of those he failed to full and where exactly the opposite of the prophecies occurred. Here they are again:<BR/><BR/>** Instead of the Temple being rebuilt a la Ezekiel it was destroyed. <BR/><BR/>"And I will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My temple also shall be with them. Yes, I will be their God and they shall be My people. And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore." -- Ezekiel 37:26-28 (See also Ezekiel 40-48; Isaiah 33:20) <BR/><BR/>** Instead of the Jews returning to the land they were dispersed. <BR/><BR/>“He will display a signal to the nations, assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the Four Corners of the earth. (IS. 11:12) <BR/><BR/>**Instead of everyone recognizing and internalizing the eternal Torah, Jesus believers call it the "Old" Testament. <BR/><BR/>“Such is the covenant I make with the House of Israel after these days [periods of disaster in Jewish history, when Israel was sinful and God was hidden] declares the Lord. I will put My Teaching into their inmost being and inscribe it upon their hearts. Then I shall be their God and they shall be My people. No longer will they need to teach one another and say to one another, ’Heed the Lord,’ for all of them from the least to the greatest shall heed Me, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquities, and remember their sins no more. (Jer. 31:33, 34). <BR/><BR/>** Instead of peace and justice we have had continual war and injustice. <BR/><BR/>"And he [the Messiah] shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." -- Isaiah 2:4 <BR/><BR/>** Instead of everyone recognizing the One God with One Name we have a plethora of false gods, Jesus being just one of them. <BR/><BR/>"And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, with one Name." -- Zechariah 14:9 <BR/><BR/><BR/>Joyce wrote: “Don't confuse historic Christianity with faith in the Jewish Messiah.“ You are the one confusing Christianity with Judaism; not I. The famous English Benjamin Disraeli who converted to Christianity was asked by the Queen what he was. He replied: “I am the blank page between the Old and the New Testaments.”<BR/><BR/>Peace and blessing,<BR/>LenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-74118746715057095872008-12-16T09:55:00.000-05:002008-12-16T09:55:00.000-05:00JOYCEI'm seeing that you are not a Christian or a ...JOYCE<BR/>I'm seeing that you are not a Christian or a Jew, just someone who is very stubborn who has come upon a newly created religion that allows you to pretend you are not excluded from either community. There are many different belief systems in the world and all of them have believers who are as sure of their systems as you are of yours. <BR/><BR/>I'm also seeing that rather than dealing logically with the information provided to you, you are using the tactic spoken about by Nietzsche which pits will vs will, and you are bound and determined to be the winner. <BR/><BR/>The more you write the less I would ever consider becoming a member of a group that encourages your manner of belief. It offers nothing but contempt for those who do not believe as you do.<BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-61784930250501104412008-12-16T01:14:00.000-05:002008-12-16T01:14:00.000-05:00Len,I disagree with you that all Israel are Jews b...Len,<BR/>I disagree with you that all Israel are Jews based on Scripture. You are using current practice to prove that and that proves nothing. The Bible never calls the Northern Kingdom "Jews" only Israelites. This has confused the issue for many centuries. Judah needs to ackwowledge that Israel is in the nations, and never practiced Judaism. They didn't even follow Torah at a certain point, which is why they ended up in the nations, so what you are saying is not logical. <BR/><BR/>God sovereignly allowed Ephraim to go into exile and lose his identity and it will be for all of Israel's salvation..including the Jews. The Jews need to recognize that their brother Ephraim is a separate kingdom. The two have never reunited..but will one day soon. As long as Judah's eyes are closed on this issue and the issue of Yeshua, they will not see redemption. <BR/><BR/>The fact that the Jews have preserved the Torah is a good thing. The fact that they have changed Torah into Tamudic Judaism is not. As Yeshua said, they put the traditions of man above the commandments of God.. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Ephraim was adopted according to Torah. Read Israel's words;<BR/><BR/>Gen. 48:5 “Now your two sons, who were born to you in the land of Egypt before I came to you in Egypt, are mine; Ephraim and Manasseh shall be mine, as bReuben and Simeon are. <BR/><BR/>It's more than just giving Ephraim the double portion. He said "their mine" and Ruben lost his right of first-born as did Simeon and Levy, who were scattered in the tribes of Israel. Ruben slept with his father's concubine.<BR/><BR/>As for praying in the name of Yeshua, that's whose name I pray in and I don't mean to offend you but I am not going to stop praying in Yeshua's name for you or anyone else. <BR/><BR/>Dorothy,<BR/>As for your comments that I haven't answered Len's questions, I have responded to as much of it as I care to or need to. I could write you a list of the prophecies from Tanakh that Yeshua has fulfilled and rabbis quotes that concur with this...but as I have said before it's a question of spiritual "seeing" and for you to have your eyes open, it will take an act of the Ruach HaKodesh, so I prefer at this point to pray.. in Yeshua's name. <BR/><BR/>I would just give one word of advice to both of you. Don't harden your hearts...our people have done that for centuries because of historical events. I do actually understand this, but I know that this is the worst thing for the Jewish people. To harden their hearts to Yeshua is to cut off the source of their own salvation. Don't confuse historic Christianity with faith in the Jewish Messiah. These are two different things. I will continue praying for you both..and I pray to the Father, in Yeshua's name because He is the one who gives me access to the throne. <BR/><BR/><BR/>JoyceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-3624121293654347212008-12-15T16:33:00.000-05:002008-12-15T16:33:00.000-05:00LENIn this case I ask you not to speak for me. Wh...LEN<BR/>In this case I ask you not to speak for me. While Christians and I have different views of the place of Jesus Christ in history, I am not taking it on myself to judge Christians or Christianity. That is in God's hands. The world is not waiting for me to do this. <BR/><BR/>What Joyce chooses to pray for is in her head. That is what she has faith in. I cannot tell her what to have faith in. What God who hears all chooses to do with her prayers is not up to me. What Jews choose to pray for for is a result of their faith. Nobody should tell Jews what they can pray for. <BR/><BR/>Joyce brought the discussion with you to these threads by posting assumptions about Judaism that were not factually true. You have presented factual material which she chooses to ignore, but it has been good that other have had the opportunity to learn more about Judaism. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for that.<BR/><BR/>Before you spend much more time posting, it might be good to know how many are taking the time to go back here as many new threads have been started since your discussion with her began.<BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-39841128014857344392008-12-15T16:06:00.000-05:002008-12-15T16:06:00.000-05:0012/15/2008Dear Joyce,The great Christian historian...12/15/2008<BR/>Dear Joyce,<BR/><BR/>The great Christian historian Paul Johnson, in his "History of the Jews," writing of the original schism between the apostles and <BR/>Jews said:<BR/><BR/> "What [Jews] could not accept was the removal of the absolute distinction they had always drawn between God and man, because that was the essence of Jewish theology, the belief that above all others separated them from the pagans. By removing that distinction, the Christians took themselves irrevocably out of the Jewish faith.<BR/><BR/>"Moreover, they did so in a way that made antagonism ... inevitable, irreconcilable and bitter. The Jews could not concede the divinity of Jesus as God-made-man without repudiating the central tenet of their belief. The Christians could not concede that Jesus was anything less than God without repudiating the essence and purpose of their movement. If [Jesus] was not God, Christianity was nothing. If [Jesus] was God then Judaism was false. Their could be absolutely no compromise ... Each faith was thus a threat to the other.<BR/><BR/>The quarrel was all the more bitter because ... the two faiths agreed on virtually everything else. The Christians took from Judaism the Pentateuch, the prophets and the wisdom books, ... the liturgy, for even the eucharist had Jewish roots, the notion of the Sabbath day and feast days, incense and burning lamps, psalms, hymns and choral music, vestments and prayers, priests and martyrs, the reading of the sacred books and the institution of the synagogue. ... There was nothing in the early church, other than its Christology, that was not adumbrated in Judaism. (Pg 144-5)."<BR/><BR/>From our way of looking at it, you borrowed everything but the most important Thing, as given in the first two commandments. <BR/><BR/>Peace and blessing,<BR/>LenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-78084998776385171402008-12-15T15:06:00.000-05:002008-12-15T15:06:00.000-05:0012/15/2004Dear Joyce,I know I speak for Dorothy al...12/15/2004<BR/>Dear Joyce,<BR/><BR/>I know I speak for Dorothy also in asking you to please avoid praying for us in Jesus' name.<BR/><BR/>We don't need or want that.<BR/><BR/>Peace and blessing from the one and only true God,<BR/>LenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-31401258013503787652008-12-15T14:55:00.000-05:002008-12-15T14:55:00.000-05:0012/15/2008Dear Joyce,You keep saying that the anci...12/15/2008<BR/>Dear Joyce,<BR/><BR/>You keep saying that the ancient Israelites were not Jews but that does not make you right. Sure, Judaism was not called as such till after the demise of the northern kingdom, but that did not change the practice. Nor did elimination of sacrifice or redaction of the Talmud affect our obeying of the Torah’s commandments. Elimination of sacrifice in absence of the Temple was following the Torah exactly. The Talmud simply explained ambiguities in the written law. You are beating a dead horse: I don’t know why.<BR/><BR/>Joyce wrote that “the rabbis will try to say [Ruth] converted to Judaism, but that's a stretch because Judaism did not exist at that time. She did however attach herself to God, and to His people.”<BR/><BR/>Ruth is also the paradigm for the present conversion process. As she was rejected three times but persisted, so are current candidates similarly turned away three times. The Gematria, numerology, of Ruth’s name is 607. Resh = 200, Vav = 7 and Tav = 400. If you add 607 to the original number of commandments she was bound by as a Noahite, seven, you get 613; the number incumbent on Jews. We read the Book of Ruth publicly in the synagogue each year on Shavuot; the anniversary of the Revelation at Sinai.<BR/><BR/>in the Code of Jewish law, the amount of material on Shavuot is minimal; less than that for any other major holy day. This is because, of all the festivals, Shavuot is unique in that it lacks a particular ritual symbol. Pesach has matzo, Succoth the succah as well as the etrog and lulav. Rosh Hashanah has the shofar (ram's horn), and Yom Kippur is associated with fasting. The nature of, and treatment, of these symbols occupies much of the festivals. All these holy days we observe are the same ones given Moses; none of which ae observed by Christians.<BR/><BR/>For Shavuot, however, the symbol is the Torah itself. "Incorporation of an alternative symbol might have conveyed the impression that it was the way to honor the Torah, whereas the Torah should be studied and applied to peoples' daily lives throughout the year. It should be applied in the home and in the workplace as much as in the synagogue. Accordingly, the tradition decided not to cloud Shavuot with a holiday-specific symbol so as to focus on the centrality of Torah. It is Torah, not ethnicity, which has enabled Jews to survive as a people for thousands of years. Without Torah Jews would not be a people and Judaism not a religion."<BR/><BR/>We mark the seven-times-seven intervening days by formally counting each one, in accordance with Lev. 23:15, much as one does when anticipating an exciting event. As the event approaches the excitement intensifies to the point that sleep becomes impossible the night before. The Torah was given in a no-man’s land, the desert of Sinai, rather than in the promised land. The Jewish Sages reasoned that the purpose was to emphasize that the Torah did not belong to Jews alone but is available for all people. A world that is a desert, with respect to law, can be transformed into a garden of harmony among peoples by following the Guide of guides of human relationships.<BR/><BR/>In the same vein, the story of Moses’ father in law, Jethro, and the Book of Ruth, both of which are traditionally read on Shavuot, emphasize universal themes. Jethro and Ruth were not born Jews. Both, however, came to worship the God of Israel, who is also the God of all humanity. According to the Bible, the Messiah will be descended from Ruth, the convert, who was the great grandmother of King David. <BR/><BR/>The last verse of the Tanakh (in 2Chronicles) features King Cyrus, also a non Jew. “Thus said King Cyrus of Persia: The Lord God of Heaven has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and has charged me with building Him a House in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Any one of you of all His people, the Lord his God be with him and let him go up (2Chron. 36:23).” When the non-Jewish king, Cyrus, proclaims God as the God of Heaven and of earth, the Scriptures may come to their proper conclusion. ... That recognition marks the dawn of the day when the Lord of Israel will in fact be the One God of the entire world, as recited for generations in the Sh’ma.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Joyce wrote that Ephraim, --- is only a grandson, but was elevated to level of son through adoption<BR/><BR/>Ephraim was not adopted but was Joseph’s son (the younger) along with Manasseh. The two got portions equal to each of Jacob’s other sons so Joseph in effect received a double portion. Why do you bring this up-?<BR/><BR/>Joyce also speculated: “I believe in order for Israel to become the "bride" that it was meant to be the spouse had to die.i.e Yeshua. God could not marry Israel who had violated the marriage contract of Torah”<BR/><BR/>Nonsense; and without a semblance of foundation like everything else you say about Jesus. God through Isaiah give the lie to this in Ch. 54:<BR/><BR/>Is. 54: 4 Fear not, for you shall not be ashamed, and be not embarrassed for you shall not be put to shame, for the shame of your youth you shall forget, and the disgrace of your widowhood you shall no longer remember. 5 For your Master is your Maker, the Lord of Hosts is His name, and your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel, shall be called the God of all the earth. 6 For, like a wife who is deserted and distressed in spirit has the Lord called you, and a wife of one's youth who was rejected, said your God. 7 "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you. 8 With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord. 9 "For this is to Me [as] the waters of Noah, as I swore that the waters of Noah shall never again pass over the earth, so have I sworn neither to be wroth with you nor to rebuke you. 10 For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.<BR/><BR/>Joych asserted falsely that “Yeshua cleansed the sins of His people once and for all.”<BR/><BR/>It is the Father alone who cleanses the sins of His people and any other deserving person.<BR/><BR/>Ps. 130: 3 O God, if You keep [a record of] iniquities, O Lord, who will stand? 4 For forgiveness is with You, in order that You be feared. 5 I hoped, O Lord; yea, my soul hoped, and I wait for His word. 6 My soul is to the Lord among those who await the morning, those who await the morning. 7 Israel, hope to the Lord, for kindness is with the Lord and much redemption is with Him. 8 And He will redeem Israel from all their iniquities.<BR/><BR/>Joyce continued: “It's very interesting that the nations have believed in Yeshua, another words they recognize Him as Messiah, but the Jews don't”<BR/><BR/>That again reminds me of Deut. 4: 19 And lest you lift up your eyes to heaven, and see the sun, and the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, which the Lord your God assigned to all peoples under the entire heaven, and be drawn away to prostrate yourselves before them and worship them. 20 But the Lord took you (Israel) and brought you out of the iron crucible, out of Egypt, to be a people of His possession, as of this day.<BR/><BR/>Everyone has a peace plan today, but there is only one peace plan, and that is Yeshua. --- You love Torah and so do I. <BR/><BR/>God said otherwise through Isaiah. We may both love Torah but you don’t love the Torah I know. Your “Torah” is Jesus.<BR/><BR/>For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter, says the Lord, Who has compassion on you. (Is. 54:10)<BR/><BR/>Joyce said, yet again: “We have never kept Torah...We can't keep Torah perfectly.”<BR/><BR/>And I need to answer once more, “Tat is why God created repentance.” Ezekiel told you but you will not listen:<BR/><BR/>Ezek. 18: 29 And yet the house of Israel say, 'The way of the Lord is not right!' Is it My ways that are not right, O house of Israel? Is it not rather your ways that are not right? 30 Therefore, every man according to his ways I will judge you, O house of Israel, says the Lord God: repent and cause others to repent of all your transgressions, and it will not be a stumbling block of iniquity for you. 31 Cast away from yourselves all your transgressions whereby you have transgressed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit, and why should you die, O house of Israel! 32 For I do not desire the death of him who dies, says the Lord God: so repent and live!"<BR/><BR/> Peace and blessing,<BR/>LenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-70114542147406951682008-12-15T13:14:00.000-05:002008-12-15T13:14:00.000-05:00Dorothy, Dorothy, Dorothy, One thing that I like a...Dorothy, Dorothy, Dorothy, <BR/><BR/>One thing that I like about you is that you're predictable.. <BR/><BR/>May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, bless you in His Son, Yeshua,<BR/>JoyceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-77603399107100931532008-12-15T12:52:00.000-05:002008-12-15T12:52:00.000-05:00JOYCESorry Kiddo, but you seem about as programmed...JOYCE<BR/>Sorry Kiddo, but you seem about as programmed as any cult member I've run across. You have time to write these long messages but you decide ....<BR/><BR/>"I have had a name change from being "a goy" to Israel. There is more to my life story which I don't feel free to share here for a variety of reasons, but I have encountered the Living God."<BR/><BR/>Your story still doesn't make sense, yet you base your whole set of programmed messages on something you can't verify for others. <BR/><BR/>I skim what you write. I wonder if anyone besides Len takes the time to read your repetitive postings. Maybe you should be glad he is here so that you get some kind of audience. You obviously want to divert this blog from research on the New Age movement to the story of Joyce's beliefs.<BR/><BR/>You really aren't up to countering Len's research, so you constantly repeat your same set of beliefs, foot after foot, after foot. <BR/><BR/>I understand you. I also understand I have no responsibility to read anything you write, and I like it that way. <BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-79430094574358054132008-12-15T11:53:00.000-05:002008-12-15T11:53:00.000-05:00Len,I have never heard anyone say that Paul's orig...Len,<BR/>I have never heard anyone say that Paul's origins were in question. Here's what he says:<BR/><BR/>Rom. 11:1-2 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? bMay it never be! For cI too am an Israelite, 1a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He bforeknew. cOr do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? <BR/><BR/>We have no means of knowing how Paul acquired his Roman citizenship. Some speculate though his father for some act he had performed, or his grandfather, but the Greek word used to say Paul descended from Benjamin is very specific. it's "sperma" which has the same meaning as the Hebrew word "zera" Thayer's lexicon definition:<BR/>4690. spe÷rma; sperma, spermatos, to (speiroœ, which see), from Homer down, Hebrew zera{, the seed (from which anything springs); a. from which a plant germinates; a. properly, the seed<BR/><BR/>...so he was not a god-fearer or convert of which there were many. If someone had done a full conversion and been circumcised at that time they would have had the full rights and responsibilities as a native born Israelite, including access to the court which was not the "Gentiles" Court. The separation between Jews and Gentiles by the dividing wall at the Temple was for the god-fearers who had not undergone ritual circumcision. <BR/><BR/>As for this man who was a Baptist and turned to Judaism, I can actually understand it in one way, if he was not born-again. He would see that the Scriptures were given to Israel, God promises to continue to work with Israel through to the end and he asked very logical questions. I don't agree with his conclusion however, to convert to Judaism. <BR/><BR/>I think that historical Christianity has obscured many of the verses that speak specifically of God's dealings with Israel, by putting the new covenant on their heart.. The historical church has appropriated these promises in what is called "Replacement theology" i.e. the Jews rejected Jesus so the Church inherits the promises to Israel. That would make God a liar and we know He is not, so I do not see the Scriptures this way. <BR/><BR/>I see rather that God has always been dealing with Israel, but there was always room for those from the nations to enter into the covenant if they attached themselves to the God of Israel and to His people. The easiest example of that is Ruth of course who is a Moabite and who King David comes through. Now the rabbis will try to say she converted to Judaism, but that's a stretch because Judaism did not exist at that time. She did however attach herself to God, and to His people. <BR/><BR/>The Bible says that Israel was divided into two kingdoms, which you and I agree on, but the 10 tribes of the Northern Kingdom are mixed with the nations now to such a degree that they are unrecognizable except to God, Himself who is all knowing.. This split according to the book of Kings was from God. I believe the birthright was actually divided between Judah and Ephraim. <BR/><BR/>The reason that I say this is because when Israel is blessing Ephraim, who is only a grandson, but was elevated to level of son through adoption ( had an Egyptian mother btw) and was given the double portion., He blesses him even though he was the younger brother that Ephraim will become the melo hagoyim, which I believe is fulfilled in the scattering of the tribes, which Ephraim represented. Another words the seed of Ephraim ( and the other northern tribes) is mixed with the nations. Judah on the other hand was promised the position of kingship and we know that thanks to Judah, we still have Torah. Had Judah not been faithful to preserve the Torah scrolls over the centuries, we would be in trouble. <BR/><BR/>However God said He will restore ALL of Israel. I believe that when the tribes committed spiritual harlotry by once again worshipping the golden calf and the baals, etc. God literally divorced Ephraim. I believe the book of Hosea is very clear on this subject. However, there is a future promise of restoration, where God will bring the two houses into the Land, unite them, put Torah on their heart and they will be ruled by a Davidic King. <BR/><BR/>I believe in order for Israel to become the "bride" that it was meant to be the spouse had to die.i.e Yeshua. God could not marry Israel who had violated the marriage contract of Torah, but God also provided a means where Torah could be put on Israel's heart. Sin had to be cleansed at the mercy seat in heaven. It would not be adequate for the High Priest to come year after year and "cover" the sins with the blood of bulls and goats, but rather, Yeshua cleansed the sins of His people once and for all. <BR/><BR/>It's very interesting that the nations have believed in Yeshua, another words they recognize Him as Messiah, but the Jews don't. When Joseph was in exile providing the nourishment for his people, His own brothers could not see who he was. I believe this story points us directly to Yeshua. Judah is the one who stepped up to the plate and stepped in for Benjamin whose name coincidently means "son of my right hand". In so doing, Joseph was able to reveal himself to Judah, and to his brothers. <BR/><BR/>I believe this will story will be repeated. Yeshua was betrayed by His own brothers, but He will reveal Himself to the Jews and is already doing this today one by one. The reconciliation of the two sticks will happen. <BR/><BR/>From the part of the historic church, I think a lot of damage has been done. The church became arrogant because they recognized Yeshua and the Hebraic roots of our faith have been hidden and replaced with things that are not from Torah. Now look at what Ephraim did. They didn't want to go worship in Jerusalem anymore under Jerohboam so they went to Samaria., Little by little they went into idolatry and replaced the feasts of the Eternal in Jerusalem with other things in Samaria. I believe there are people from the Northern Tribes from all the nations where the gospel has gone that could be in the churches. God said He would make Israel as numerous as the "sands of the sea". Certainly the 15 million Jews ( even with all the killing over the centuries) do not represent all Israel. <BR/><BR/>The Lord revealed this to me when I discovered my own Jewish roots ( I am from Judah, not Ephraim). I was praying and studying the Scripture and He revealed to me the plan for these two sticks. It will take two things. Yeshua and Torah. We cannot have one and not the other. The nations, with Ephraim who became the melo hagoyim, have the bread of life - Yeshua, just like Joseph. Without Joseph there would be no Israel.. no food, no life!<BR/><BR/>Judah has Torah, and King Yeshua is from Judah. We need both parts of the first-born blessing to come together to have Shalom... another words for all Israel to be saved. The nations are part of this plan to, but they must first see that God has never stopped dealing with Israel, so they must attach themselves to the God of Israel, His Torah, and His living Torah Yeshua. This is the Peace Plan. <BR/><BR/>Everyone has a peace plan today, but there is only one peace plan, and that is Yeshua. I am not going to give you all the Scripture references because I've already done it on this blog and I know you know the stories by heart.. You love Torah and so do I. <BR/><BR/>I have met my Messiah. I have had a name change from being "a goy" to Israel. There is more to my life story which I don't feel free to share here for a variety of reasons, but I have encountered the Living God. I have had my "burning bush" experience, but I won't go into that here either. <BR/><BR/>You will just have to open your heart and make a leap of faith if you want to see your Messiah. He's in the Scriptures. You just have to look for Him.. <BR/><BR/>You don't believe Isaiah 53 is Yeshua. I will quote you an ancient rabbi:<BR/><BR/>The meaning of " He was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities " is that since the Messiah bears our iniquities, which produce the effect of Him being bruised, it follows that whoso will not admit that this is the Messiah thus suffers for our iniquities must endure and suffer them for himself. Rabbi Elijah de Vidas<BR/><BR/>Rabbis with one voice, accept and affirm this opinion that the prophet is speaking of King Messiah. Rabbi Moshe Alshekh.<BR/><BR/>There is proof after proof confirmed by rabbis that I could write here, but it will just go in one ear and out the other. I can give you a list of Tanakh prophecies and their fulfillment but if your heart is closed, I will be wasting my time. <BR/><BR/>I will pray for your Len and Dorothy, and YS. I'm sure you are a very nice and sincere man who is convinced with all of his heart that he is on the right path. In a sense you are because Torah could not be a wrong path as some Christians think. God gave us Torah, as Paul did not deny Torah or annul it. The problem is that Torah itself cannot save us. <BR/><BR/>God saved the Israelites before He gave them Torah. He delivered them by His strong right hand. It wasn't their own righteousness that saved them. He brought them out as a bunch of slaves and we too are slaves, slaves to sin. I don't care who you are and how good you think you are, no one is righteous, not one. All have fallen short of the glory of God. <BR/><BR/>We have never kept Torah...We can't keep Torah perfectly. We can aim at the target, but we will never be holy in our own righteousness. Only God is Holy. He is so Holy, we cannot approach Him on the basis of our righteousness. This is why He made a priesthood, to show us. This is why only Moses could go up to Mt. Sinai and dwell with Him in the cloud. If anyone else drew close to the mountain except the elders who went part way, they would die.. <BR/><BR/>God was teaching us that there was only one way to come, just like with Noah and the door to the ark the door to the Tabernacle, etc. He always sent intermediaries to teach us about and point us to Yeshua. There's so many hints about what He was going to do, but the question is, "do we hear His voice?" We cannot draw near to him, as Isaiah said "because I am a man of unclean lips". Isaiah who was pretty darn good was a man of "unclean lips". <BR/><BR/>Have you been into the Holy of Holies lately Len? That is relationship.. You and I cannot go there on our own merit. <BR/><BR/>The pillar of smoke by day and fire by night was a manifestation of God's presence. God is able to manifest His presence among us anyway He wants. It doesn't not mean Yeshua is another God. He is the Lord. This is not a contradiction. <BR/><BR/>Rom. 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, bat the right time Christ died for the ungodly. <BR/>Rom. 5:7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. <BR/>Rom. 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. <BR/>Rom. 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified 1aby His blood, we shall be saved bfrom the wrath of God through Him. <BR/>Rom. 5:10 For if while we were aenemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved 1bby His life. <BR/>Rom. 5:11 aAnd not only this, 1but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received bthe reconciliation. <BR/>Rom. 5:12 ¶ Therefore, just as through aone man sin entered into the world, and bdeath through sin, and cso death spread to all men, because all sinned — <BR/>Rom. 5:13 for 1until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. <BR/>Rom. 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned ain the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a 1btype of Him who was to come. <BR/>Rom. 5:15 ¶ But 1the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of athe one bthe many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by cthe grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. <BR/>Rom. 5:16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand athe judgment arose from one transgression 1resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions 2resulting in justification. <BR/>Rom. 5:17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned athrough the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will breign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. <BR/>Rom. 5:18 ¶ So then as through aone transgression 1there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one bact of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. <BR/>Rom. 5:19 For as through the one man’s disobedience athe many bwere made sinners, even so through cthe obedience of the One athe many will be made righteous. <BR/>Rom. 5:20 1The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, <BR/>Rom. 5:21 so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. <BR/><BR/>Now don't be "stiff-necked" like our forefathers, Len, but speak to the Rock. The Rock is Yeshua. He was there in the desert with Moses, cost Moses entry to the Promised Land that He didn't intercede and teach Israel to talk to the Rock. Instead Moses the great leader that he was, did not act as an intercessor and lost his temper with Israel. <BR/><BR/>1Cor. 10:1 ¶ For aI do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all bunder the cloud and all passed through the sea; <BR/>1Cor. 10:2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; <BR/>1Cor. 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food; <BR/>1Cor. 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ. <BR/>1Cor. 10:5 Nevertheless, with most of them God was not well-pleased; for athey were laid low in the wilderness. <BR/>1Cor. 10:6 ¶ Now these things happened as aexamples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as bthey also craved. <BR/>1Cor. 10:7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written, “bTHE PEOPLE SAT DOWN TO EAT AND DRINK, AND STOOD UP TO cPLAY.” <BR/>1Cor. 10:8 Nor let us act immorally, as asome of them 1did, and btwenty-three thousand fell in one day. <BR/>1Cor. 10:9 Nor let us try the Lord, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the serpents. <BR/>1Cor. 10:10 Nor grumble, as some of them 1did, and were destroyed by the destroyer. <BR/>1Cor. 10:11 Now these things happened to them as an example, and bthey were written for our instruction, upon whom cthe ends of the ages have come.<BR/><BR/>These things happened for our instruction upon who has come the End of the Age...There is a generation that died in the Wilderness and did not enter the Promised Land. I do not intend to be among those who do not enter..<BR/><BR/>Rav Shaul was an amazing theologian, but sometimes, as Peter said in his letter, "he says things that are hard to understand". <BR/><BR/>Shalom,<BR/>JoyceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-66024470068985170042008-12-15T02:56:00.000-05:002008-12-15T02:56:00.000-05:0012/15/2008Dear Joyce,Since you are telling me abou...12/15/2008<BR/>Dear Joyce,<BR/><BR/>Since you are telling me about rabbis who love Jesus you may be interested in a real life example from a Southerrn Baptist pastor I met on line about 15 years ago and have stayed in touch with. Following are two on-line messages from him; in 1999 and 2002:<BR/><BR/>For a starter I thought you might be interested in two of Tim’s old messages before and after he converted. They were both posted publicly so I am not invading his privacy. <BR/><BR/>Subj: My story<BR/>Date: 11/06/1999 6:27:53 PM Eastern Standard Time<BR/><BR/>From: TEClontz<BR/><BR/>To: Ze rabbi, SuzanneU, Tiyrah, Hutchmor, PatiGreene<BR/><BR/>To: Len613, Rwnn40, MiriamL613, PistisinJC<BR/><BR/>To: Annietread, Baruchabba, Brettcole, D1453R<BR/><BR/>To: Hebroot, JoeWallack, KumiOriOH, KYG in SAC<BR/><BR/>To: LuvMercy, Sasdi, STSJDEL, Tukalah, Unicornes <BR/><BR/>I don't believe there is a drop of Abraham's natural blood flowing through my veins. <BR/><BR/>I became a Christian when I was 11. I had wanted to read a book over a 1000 pages long, and the Bible was a handy one to pick. At the time I did not believe in G-d, but by the time I reached Leviticus G-d had convinced me that He was real. I continued reading, and as I read the New Testament I came to believe in Christ, and confessed my sins to him and asked him to forgive me and come into my life. From that time on until this year I was a Christian. I have led Bible study groups, taught seminary, and pastored for 8 years in several Baptist churches. My Christianity was never questioned, and people from around the country would be referred to me for spiritual guidance. I realize that none of these external things "makes one a Christian", but it is necessary to show that I was not only accepted, but sought out for counsel. <BR/><BR/>I even received fan mail from several high ranking Jews for Jesus (and I'll make those on my "side" miffed for saying this, but these are really nice guys and their heart is in the right place, although I disagree with them). <BR/><BR/>When I started becoming "Jewish" in my understanding, the instant assumption is that "he was never a Christian" or "he just is uninformed." A coworker even brought me a 4 Spiritual Laws tract -- when I used to be asked to WRITE tracts. <BR/><BR/>To this day I get calls from the local Christian radio station asking me to record more Christian devotionals for them. <BR/><BR/>To this day I get calls from the local Christian TV station begging me to host some more shows for them. <BR/><BR/>I understand that it is comforting for some to say that I never knew Christ, since it is so obvious to them that Jesus is the Messiah, and only someone totally blind could fail to see it. Surely someone who has understood, who's spirit was made alive in Christ by the Holy Spirit... surely such a person could never stop understanding! Something must be wrong! He must be unstable, or a liar, or ignorant, or beguiled, or snared by Satan, or, or, or... <BR/><BR/>It is comforting to think that, but the truth is that as I worked on my New Testament I researched the passages cited from the Tanakh, and found them one by one distorted, twisted in wording, meaning, and application, ripped out of context, and sometimes turned completely opposite from the original passage. <BR/><BR/>I was also asked by a Messianic publishing house to write a book detailing the past and future of Messianic doctrine. In the process, again, I found the Jewish side to be true and the Christian side to be mistaken. <BR/><BR/>I have tremendous respect for Christians and Christianity. Many of the most profound and beautiful words ever penned are found in the New Testament. Some of the most godly men in the world are Christians. <BR/><BR/>I do not leave in anger. I leave with great fondness and admiration. <BR/><BR/>But I also leave to grow in greater truth. <BR/><BR/>G-d truly is a just and loving G-d -- holy and merciful -- not acquitting the guilty but showing mercy to ten thousand generations of those who repent. <BR/><BR/>Tim<BR/>&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&<BR/>From: TECLONTZ <BR/><BR/>Jan-24, 2002 1:16 pm <BR/><BR/>To: RIVKAAIDEL (34 of 84) <BR/><BR/> 52.34 in reply to 52.1 <BR/><BR/>A friend of mine forwarded me a link to the forum. Most of them I ignore, but this one struck a chord. <BR/><BR/>So, here's my story. <BR/><BR/>Why/how did you become interested in Judaism at first? For future converts, why are you interested in Judaism? <BR/><BR/>I don't know why or when exactly my interest in Judaism started, to be perfectly honest. When I was 11 I wanted to read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich because I had heard about the holocaust and wanted to know what happened. My mother confiscated it because she didn't want me to read about human ugliness at that age. <BR/><BR/>I read the Bible instead. Yes, a Christian one -- but I started in Genesis and went straight through. I was a G-d fearer long before I was a Christian, and I identified with the people of the book. <BR/><BR/>By the time I was 14 I had read the Bible a couple of times, and my church youth group was visiting different religious groups. One was Greek Orthodox (which I thought was interesting). Another was a Reform temple. Okay, so it was Judaism-lite. But I felt at home in an unidentifiable way. I continued to read what I could. By the time I was 18 I had found a Hebrew teacher and was terrifying my parents by practicing gutturals upstairs in my bedroom. They've been fearful about Judaism for most of these 23 years of my quest. <BR/><BR/>During the next few decades I read the Bible nearly a dozen times, created my own edition of the New Testament (you can find it at Project Gutenberg online). I also earned a doctorate in theology and pastored three Southern Baptist churches in GA and NC. <BR/><BR/>I loved Jews as Jews and Judaism as Judaism. I would argue theology, but for the most part just wanted to be a friend. Sure, I had the New Testament belief in the way of actually BEING Jewish. But I didn't believe in trying to convert Jews. I couldn't see people who followed G-d's own Torah as being destined for "hell" and definitely couldn't say "you're the chosen people" and "you're going to hell" in the same breath. Those are mutually exclusive statements. They cannot both be true -- and I knew it. <BR/><BR/>Three years ago I was researching the footnotes for my New Testament edition and studied the places the NT quotes the Tanakh. I had READ these things over and over again -- but I couldn't SEE until I did a focused study. I knew what I was looking for, and I found it. The New Testament claims to fulfill the "Old Testament" over and over, but each of those places are ripped out of context, misapplied, and often misworded. <BR/><BR/>There was no longer any barrier to becoming Jewish. <BR/><BR/>It took three years, and multiple trips back and forth across the country, but this 29th of Tevet I completed my conversion with an Orthodox Beit Din in New York (which is even more complicated since I live in GA and work in CA on a government contract). <BR/><BR/>So, uh, I'm less than two weeks old! lol <BR/><BR/>Why did (do) you want to be Jewish? <BR/><BR/>I was asked that last week by a fellow who was saying "You only had to fulfill 7 mitzvot and now you have 613!" My answer was, "why do the least you can do instead of the most?" Also in that vein -- once I knew the truth I couldn't stay as far away from it as possible. That's nonsense. I've always wanted to be ever closer to G-d. My heart has never changed about that. <BR/><BR/>What was (is) the hardest part of your decision to become Jewish? <BR/><BR/>My family. My kids are fine with it. It was the last nail in the coffin to a marriage. My father spent two hours a few weeks ago trying to convert me back. Everyone is constantly trying to get me to eat ham. It's tough. Plus -- imagine being a Jewish convert in the Bible belt where you used to be a Southern Baptist pastor! Yikes! <BR/><BR/>What was (is) the easiest part? <BR/><BR/>Truth. <BR/><BR/>What is the greatest thing about being Jewish? <BR/><BR/>Honesty. My physical actions, my life, my time, and my beliefs are in harmony with each other and with Torah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-12292919405522559532008-12-15T01:54:00.000-05:002008-12-15T01:54:00.000-05:0012/15/2008Joyce wrote “My theory about this, which...12/15/2008<BR/>Joyce wrote “My theory about this, which I cannot prove is that God gave us the only name we can be saved by and that is Yeshua. --- Perhaps God left the name under which you could be saved and you just haven't found it yet? Paul says a "partial<BR/><BR/>Let me help you, Joyce, to find the identity of our savior.You are giving Jesus the credit that belongs to God alone. <BR/><BR/>[Hosea 13:4]<BR/>I am the Lord your God, Who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but Me, no Savior except Me!<BR/><BR/>[Deuteronomy 4:35]<BR/>You are the ones who have been shown, so that you will know that God is the Supreme Being, and there is none other besides Him!<BR/><BR/>[Deuteronomy 4:39]<BR/>Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the Lord, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other!<BR/><BR/>[Deuteronomy 32:39]<BR/>See, now, that I, I am He -- and no god is with Me . . . .<BR/><BR/>[I Samuel 2:2]<BR/>There is none holy as the Lord. There is none beside Thee; neither is there any Rock like our God.<BR/><BR/>[I Kings 8:27]<BR/>For will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain Thee; how much less this house that I have built?<BR/><BR/>[I Kings 8:60]<BR/>So that all the nations of the earth may know that the Lord is God and that there is no other!<BR/><BR/>[II Kings 19:19]<BR/>Now, O Lord our God, deliver us from his hand, so that all kingdoms on earth may know that You alone, O Lord, our God. [ also Psalm 113:5]<BR/><BR/>[Isaiah 40:18]<BR/>To whom then will you liken God? To what likeness will you compare Him?<BR/><BR/>[Isaiah 40:25]<BR/>“To whom then will you liken Me, that I should be his equal?” says the Holy One.<BR/><BR/>[Isaiah 42:8]<BR/>I am the Lord, that is My name, and My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise to graven images!<BR/><BR/>[Isaiah 43:10-11]<BR/>“You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”<BR/><BR/>[Isaiah 44:6-8]<BR/>This is what the Lord says, Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty, “I am the first and I am the last; apart from Me there is no God! Who then is like Me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare it and lay it out before Me . . . . Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”<BR/><BR/>[Isaiah 44:24]<BR/>Thus said the Lord, your Redeemer, the One who formed you from the womb, “I am the Lord Who makes everything, Who stretched forth the heavens alone, Who spread out the earth by Myself.”<BR/><BR/>[Isaiah 45:5-6]<BR/>I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God . . . . I will strengthen you . . . in order that they know from the shining of the sun and from the west that there is no one besides Me; I am the Lord and there is no other!<BR/><BR/>[Isaiah 45:21-22]<BR/>. . . Who announced this from before, who declared it from the distant past? Is it not I, the Lord, and there is no God apart from Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other!<BR/><BR/>[Isaiah 46:5]<BR/>To whom shall you liken Me and make Me equal and compare Me that we may be alike?<BR/><BR/>[Isaiah 46:9]<BR/>Remember the first things of old, that I am God and there is no other; I am God and there is none like Me.<BR/><BR/>[Isaiah 48:11]<BR/>. . . and My honor I will not give to another.<BR/><BR/> [Joel 2:27]<BR/>You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and I am the Lord your God, there is no other; and My people shall never be ashamed.<BR/><BR/>[Malachi 2:10]<BR/>Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why should we betray, each one his brother, to profane the covenant of our forefathers?<BR/><BR/>[Psalm 73:25]<BR/>Whom have I in heaven but You? The earth has nothing I desire besides You.<BR/><BR/>[Psalm 81:8-9]<BR/>Hear, O My people, and I will admonish you; O Israel, if you would listen to Me! Let there be no strange god among you; nor shall you worship any foreign god.<BR/><BR/>[Nehemiah 9:6]<BR/>You alone are the Lord; You made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens and all their host, the earth and all that is upon it, the seas and all that is in them, and You give life to all, and the heavenly host bow down before You.<BR/><BR/>[I Chronicles 17:20]<BR/>O Lord, there is none like You, neither is there any God beside You, according to all that we have heard with our ears!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-11184683812865788632008-12-15T01:43:00.000-05:002008-12-15T01:43:00.000-05:0012/15/2008Dear Joyce,When quoting Acts to praise t...12/15/2008<BR/>Dear Joyce,<BR/><BR/>When quoting Acts to praise the Law you should also look at Galatians:<BR/><BR/>3:10: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. <BR/>11: But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. <BR/>12: And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. <BR/>13: Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: <BR/><BR/>When Paul was arrested we read in Acts 16:<BR/><BR/>37 But Paul said to them, “They have beaten us in public without trial, men who are Romans, and have thrown us into prison; and now are they sending us away secretly? No indeed! But let them come themselves and bring us out.” <BR/><BR/>In a sppech to the Jews afterr his arrest we read in Acts 22:<BR/><BR/>25 But when they stretched him out with thongs, Paul said to the centurion who was standing by, “Is it lawful for you to scourge a man who is a Roman and uncondemned?” <BR/>26 When the centurion heard this, he went to the commander and told him, saying, “What are you about to do? For this man is a Roman.” <BR/>27 The commander came and said to him, “Tell me, are you a Roman?” And he said, “Yes.” <BR/>28 The commander answered, “I acquired this citizenship with a large sum of money.” And Paul said, “But I was actually born a citizen.” <BR/>29 Therefore those who were about to examine him immediately let go of him; and the commander also was afraid when he found out that he was a Roman, and because he had put him in chains.<BR/><BR/>The Ebionites assert that Paul's parents were Gentiles. Saul was the first in his family to convert. If Paul's father was also a Roman or Tarsian he must have been a member of a native phyla or tribe and participated in pagan worship. Then Paul could not have been born a Jew.<BR/><BR/>At the very least you have to admit that Paul's origin is hazy.<BR/><BR/>Joyce accused me of advocatinhg “the precepts of men” but all my citations have been from the Bible; citations that you cannot answer; so you don’t, claiming it is because of lack of time. But you have plenty of time to quote the New Testament, knowing that I doi not accept it as authoritative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-36388077228396919432008-12-14T15:23:00.000-05:002008-12-14T15:23:00.000-05:00Dorothy,Glad to help you build character...I'll tr...Dorothy,<BR/><BR/>Glad to help you build character...<BR/><BR/>I'll try to explain my history a little some other time. I thought I did explain it though..Right now I have to run. I've already spent more time on any blog than I care to today. <BR/><BR/>JoyceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-34301150286801156442008-12-14T15:10:00.000-05:002008-12-14T15:10:00.000-05:00One more last thing...I feel like Peter Falk in Co...One more last thing...I feel like Peter Falk in Colombo..<BR/>( for those who are old enough to remember him)...<BR/><BR/>The Christian world is far from unified, so there are many Christians who do recognize Jews who stay Jews and believe in Messiah. Then there is a whole other camp of Gentiles who want to observe Torah. They want to attach themselves not only to Yeshua but to Torah. <BR/><BR/>There are believers from the nations who want to join to the olive tree, Israel...maybe some of these are from the scattered tribes, maybe not? Whatever this is, it is a group of people who are not Jews but have decided they do not want to be "a church" but part of the qahal..Israel. When the mixed multitude left Egypt with Israel, they were treated exactly like Israel. They had the same obligations and privileges. If we read the Scriptures carefully, there are many peoples that attached to Israel over the centuries who were from the nations, but chose to follow the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...This group today, also recognizes Yeshua, and acts like Israel.<BR/><BR/>The other group are the Christian Zionists who usually hold to dispensational theology and do see a separation between the Church and Israel, but they love Israel and support fully the right of Israel to the land. Some of their motives are sometimes self-serving, they want to be raptured, but this is not always true. I have met many Christian Zionists who truly love the Jewish people and Israel and they are strong supporters in the political arena of Israel. Regardless of what anyone thinks of the John Hagees of the world, they stand for Israel. <BR/><BR/>So there you go...not so neat and clean. Among the Messianics there is such a gamut I'm not going to take the time to explain right now, but similar to Talmudic Judaism, they don't all agree by any means...<BR/><BR/>A traditional Christian would accuse me of being a Judaizer, but that's cause most of the time they don't understand who the Judaizers were. They were people who were trying to "earn " their salvation by works of law, which is not exactly what it might sound like, but according to some scholars it is sectarian observance required to enter the particular community. Another words, circumcision would be required for salvation. <BR/><BR/>Clearly Abraham was justified by faith, not by circumcision,... Abraham looked forward to Yeshua's coming and believed. Ciricumcision justifies no one. It's an outward sign, but not a means of justification. <BR/><BR/>Among scholars who now have access to the Dead Sea Scrolls, there is wide spread disagreement today about what Paul was really saying. There are more scholars seem to be saying that Paul was not against Torah. One of the great difficulties of the Apostolic Scriptures is what you do with Paul. If Paul was for Torah, that changes everything. <BR/><BR/>There are many of these kind of scholarly debates going on and so some of the perceptions of who Paul really was has not been settled. With Jews coming to faith in Yeshua, much of the Hebrew mindset which was previously unrecognized by Christians is coming to light. <BR/><BR/><BR/>I think what we actually look like in the kingdom under Messiah is going to be very different than most of us think. We are probably all in for a few surprises..<BR/><BR/>JoyceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-90365846266190197742008-12-14T15:07:00.000-05:002008-12-14T15:07:00.000-05:00JOYCEPS Thanks to you I may even get to be very to...JOYCE<BR/>PS Thanks to you I may even get to be very tolerant and patient with Obama supporters. <BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11772087.post-59099542867519699752008-12-14T15:05:00.000-05:002008-12-14T15:05:00.000-05:00JOYCEYou never answered my question. Your story d...JOYCE<BR/>You never answered my question. Your story doesn't make sense. However, it could be like Obama's first book...it may not be the truth but that's how he says he remembered it.<BR/><BR/>I supposed on a website where Protestants, whatever denomination, feel free to say and pray, anything should be expected without criticism. Saying Jesus is a "Get out of jail free" card.<BR/><BR/>It's a free blog and a free country Joyce. Enjoy! Thanks to you I keep growing in patience and tolerance.<BR/><BR/>DorothyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com