Thursday, January 14, 2016

I'm not the only one with these challenges . . . Please BE PATIENT

I've spent extensive time over the past two years reviewing my library and archives.  I've scanned enormous amounts of material, made extensive notes, ordered discovered potential references.  As a result, I've got lots of irons in the fire and am frustrated trying all I need to do in this human body.  Going through my library, I recently found a reference that probably proves I'm not the only one, neither am I the first and probably not the last.  Reading an internet reference to Theosophical bent - "religious scholar" and lecturer, Mircea Eliade, originally a Romanian based academic, I discovered he had similar woes.  I also discovered that what I was trying to do was probably larger than Eliade's post-war 1949 frustrating project of classifying 9,000 projects was.  The passage that inspired me to order and review Journal I, 1945-1948 of his journal was a quoted unfavorable reference to Alice Bailey and her husband Foster Bailey.  Quoted below is the part I found interesting:

Mircea Eliade - Journal I - Alice Bailey references are on page 160 of this book.


At teatime, Mme. Froebe tells me about visions experienced by
certain eccentric guests, among them Alice Bailey, who saw a monk
repeatedly entering the window on the right (all this happened in the
room where we're staying, on the second floor, the room in which I'm
writing this) . Alice Bailey (what an able adventuress! I met her in
London in 1940; my Polish translator-God only knows what her name
was; and what an intelligent, likable, informed woman !- gave me a
letter of recommendation, and Alice Bailey invited me to dinner. She
was with her husband- a nonentity-and a friend , a tremendously
voluble American woman, probably her patroness, because she paid for
the dinner. Alice Bailey conducted a school of " initiation by correspondence"
with a rather high tuition; she had published a number of
books-unreadable, and absolutely worthless)-Alice Bailey evoked
her master and protector in Tibet, with whom she was in regular
communication through telepathy; and with the aid of a ritual she
expelled the shade of that mysterious monk who kept coming in the
window. After that, Mme. Froebe adds, the monk visited the room next
door, where a young Dutch Quaker was staying; he would come at 2:00
A. M. Since the young man's room was directly over Mme. Froebe's
bedroom, she would hear him jump out of bed and turn on the light. He
would start reading aloud from the Bible. I don't know what sins that
monk bad committed, but on hearing the words of the Bible he would
disappear.

Well, that was interesting, although Eliade's religious scholarship fails to impress me -- he was obviously a hanger-on himself at Eranos, the institute co-founded by Olga Froebe and Alice Bailey.  HOWEVER, I was amused and could related to something else related in this book -- his difficulty in finishing a plethora of projects:

18 May
I've written nothing in this notebook for several weeks because
I have been totally immersed in analyzing, classifying, and completing
the materials on shamanism, gathered in the last nine years. Every day,
at the Musee de I 'Homme. Have opened the notebook in order to record
that today I received the corrected proof copy of Le Mythe de l' eternel
re tour.
25 May
Am continuing to work, day and night, on shamanism. Sometimes
I feel almost crushed by the massive Soviet ethnographic
production. And since I can't see a problem clearly until I see it whole,
I keep putting off writing until the last moment, until I've verified even
the smallest detail (verifications which often are futile because I can't
use them; at most, I content myself with an allusion in a footnote).
Another danger: sometimes my "enthusiasm" is exhausted in the
research itself, and when I decide to write it up, I compose somewhat
reluctantly, hastily, using only a small part of the documentation I've
collected and spent days mulling over.  (page 90, Mircea Journal I)

Well, I've similar problems.  I've been almost totally immersed (besides my remaining law practice) with ANALYZING, CLASSIFYING, and COMPLETING . . .  It has dawned on me that I've been in this struggle for now nearly 35 years since 1981.  That's five years longer than the religious wars ending in the Treaty of Westphalia lasted in Europe!

I do think I have things computer organized now to the point where writing and accurate referencing will proceed smoothly.  Pray for me.  I've had health issues recently that has also served to somewhat slow me in this process.  I've amassed tremendous materials on General Vallely and Michael Aquino -- that backburnered projecd continues.

Thanks for your patience and stay tuned.

CONSTANCE

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Anonymous said...

Paul: the RCC was all for printing the Vulgate Latin Bible using the new technology. What it was against was various translations it had not overseen that were circulating in the 'vernacular' languages of Europe used by regular people. Catholics say that this was to prevent inaccurate translations circulating; protestants retort that in that case why did Rome never authorize vernacular translations before protestants made them available? Catholics reply that there would only have been a very small market for Bibles in the vernacular, as almost everybody who was literate could read Latin. Decide for yourself.

Anonymous said...

RayB: The Roman Catholic church does not delete any part of the Ten Commandments in its Bibles. You can check any number of Catholic websites for yourself online. What it does, though, is carve up the text of the Ten Commandments in a different way than protestants and Jews, so as to make the anti-idol sentences subsidiary to the Command before it, then when teaching the Ten Commandments in its Catechism it drops the anti-idol stuff as "small print". You can check that for yourself too.

You write: Over and over again, Liguori miss applies Scripture that is referring to Christ by stating "it is the interpretation of the Church" that this is referring to MARY! Worse, Popes do it! Here is a quote from Pius IX's encyclical Ubi Primum of 1849, with the identity of its object removed.

...always has delivered the Christian people from their greatest calamities and from the snares and assaults of all their enemies, ever rescuing them from ruin… The foundation of all Our confidence… is found in *****. For God has committed to ****** the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will, that we obtain everything through ******"

Wouldn't this be a great statement of Christianity if the missing word was Christ? Sadly it is Mary.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

anonymous 1:54

I already addressed this. like I said on this thread, and at least once in another, JEROME DELIBERATELY MISTRANSLATED GEN 3:15 creating this "church tradition" in the west in his Latin Vulgate. Septuagint, Samaritan and Masoretic all agree it is NOT the woman but the WOMAN'S SEED that will crush the serpent's head.

paul said...

Thank you 1:09,
I've kept my peace and listened rather than held forth for a long long time.
Now I'm 59 years old and sometimes it's like a fire in my bones and so I
get crotchety when I hear and read crap like the kind that Ms Christine throws around.
I've actually been a defender of the RCC for a long time and I've tried and tried to find reconciliation
between us but every time I point out how we are all the same under heaven if we simply believe in Jesus,
some religious expert suggests that I'm lost because I'm not in the mother ship of Rome and that we
can't be correct because we aren't in lockstep with Rome, of all places. Rome which crucified Jesus,
and Rome which is a cage of all sorts of unclean birds, and detestable animals.
This whole Protestant/RomanCatholic thing is going to come to a horrible clash within a few years.
Rome has statues of Mary with her foot on the neck of a woman. That woman is the Protestant churches
and Mary is the Jesuits who were formed for the express purpose of killing the Protestant churches.
God delivered the Protestant churches just 500 years ago, but not before there were MILLIONS of martyred
saints at the Jesuits hands. This is a fact of history and yes the Protestants fought back and then some.
But Rome is drunk with the blood of martyrs who cry out to God how long? how much longer?
I think that the answer is only a few more years and maybe a whole new round of martyrs.
But here is the patience and the faith of the saints; that they loved not their lives unto death.
Help me Jesus.
It won't be the Muslims, exactly, it will be the Jesuits who attempt to finally annihilate the true believers,
though I have a strong feeling that they will employ the Muslims in the effort.
Viva Martin Luther!
Viva Sola Scriptura!

RayB said...

RCC Priest in Training Arrested for Wanting to Buy Baby for Sex ...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/seminary-student-allegedly-planned-sex-baby-mexico-article-1.2515560

Had he not been caught, this "Priest" would have gone on to "magically" change the wafer into God. Amazing !

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

paul,

"Rome has statues of Mary with her foot on the neck of a woman. " could you point me to a photo of this?

RayB said...

Paul ...

Very well stated. The REAL power that is lining up the forces of evil in these last days against God's people is the Vatican/Jesuit cabal. I think this is the primary reason why they are allying themselves now with Islam and members of the Jewish community (that truly hate Christ) ... along with the liberal apostates that falsely call themselves "Protestants." The RCC has a proven history of persecution (i.e. 620 years of the European Inquisition) against God's people, and it is unreasonable to assume that this leopard will be the exception and suddenly change its spots!

Anonymous said...

New Age? Nothing wrong with that. The Buddhists have it right. Even closer to THE TRUTH the Hindus know what the world is about. Why argue with Christine. She is getting there and will surpass all of you in knowledge as you squabble among your petty selves with knack knack interpretations. Grow up folks. The world's knowledge has moved on. Now back to the rest of you who have been squabbling among yourselves, hoping to learn more about the New Age movement more than you will ever learn at a Trump rally, good luck.

Anonymous said...

Paul, I am 1:09 and I, too, have looked for ways to come alongside other faiths (and some of these are family members) that say their teachings are biblical. I've hear buzz words that want to click in my mind, until I see the loopty-loop or contradictory practices that form out of the doctrines, then I know it is the added to and/or taken away from version which the Lord curses in the last few verses of His Revelation because in some form or fashion, counters the Word of the Lord. Many well meaning sincere hearts follow and really do not or are afraid to question what they are taught, but the LORD said test the spirits and you and I know the Word cannot contradict itself, can only bear witness to itself, so my prayer is that these will go to the Lord in prayer and ask that wisdom of Him and He will surely lead them (James 1:5). What could possibly be better than being led by the precious Spirit of Great Shepherd of the sheep? It is the sheep that hear His voice and follow Him. This isn't heaven, so I still have a fallen nature, but also that new one in Christ, so by His enablement, I am trusting my way through this maze called life on earth. The Word feeds me the Truth because it is without error and strengthens my inner man to put down and put out the old nature within me.
Church, regardless of denomination, (yes, really a just name) in every form can only fall somewhere short, if we trust it above it's station by attributing more authority to it than to the Lord Himself, Who has given the Spirit without measure as promised. People are people..but God is God......the church is made up of people....
The very best person I know is still a fallen person in need of God's mercy just as I am, so I must go to the top--my Savior made the way for me to enter that heavenly throneroom--and by faith, to the top I go...

I do not see a seat there for MCE beside the Lord ;).
She needs to join everyone else at the foot of the cross.....

Anonymous said...

Hindu Aka Gnostic

There hovers a witch who would practice
Spellbinding to convince folk of Chakras,
She tries to achieve, lies and hopes to deceive,
Hear her swear without care: so tactless!

She tries to apply gnostic theses,
Twisting Scripture through vain eisegesis,
She implies Holy Writ was first penned in Sanskrit with her Hindu concepts as her basis!

Her aim is to cause folk to bicker,
o'er her 'aether', vampires and wicca,
with ufos, men on Mars,
and Nibiru: her lies
show her spiritual state's getting sicker!

She refuses correction in anger,
As folks warn her and others of danger,
Humility wounds her pride,
Her intentions she'd hide,
Yet the light of truth will expose her!

Anonymous said...

Hello Mike Cringe?

Anonymous said...

3:00 PM

You don't smell the new age reek coming off of MCE's posts?
Uh oh..

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

anon 3:23

would you please explain why the possibility that Mars has nearly 1/3 the atmospheric pressure of earth instead of what NASA says,

and/or life intelligent or otherwise

would contradict the Bible? (last time I looked it says nothing on the issue, but drops two interesting hints Deut 30:4 and Matt. 24:31)

don't talk to me about channeled information I have repeatedly denounced that as worthless.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

re new age reek - your posts reek of latent Gnosticism bogomilism which informed Calvin, Zwingli and possibly Wycliffe whose rejection of the Eucharistic reality was what got him trouble more than translating.

Anonymous said...

I see you have pounced on the newly posted thread by Constance today, Crustine. You intend to do your hostile takeover of that one too don't you?

We smell ya.

Anonymous said...

Chritine, in response to your 3:39 PM post:

John 3:16King James Version (KJV)

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Do you see? It says the World not Mars or Nibiru!

There are no cities on Mars nor is there any life there, Chritine!

Furthermore, the Holy Bible does not drop "two interesting hints Deut 30:4 and Matt. 24:31" at all!

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

"the world" is kosmos, which includes the visible universe. main focus here of course. likely earth IS center of the universe, or its general location is. atheist or at least rationalist astronomers having noticed this argue it is some kind of optical illusion. bah humbug.

even if no cities are on Mars or ever were, and no life, read up on terraforming. There will be life there, after some degree of overhaul even if the conditions are what NASA says they are. how are you going to deal with that? Tell any colonist in future to get back to earth because Jesus' Blood doesn't apply offworld?

I think you are in more danger of your faith being challenged by some oddball development you can't deny is physical, than I am! "your God is too small" comes to mind. Better get your focus off men and on Christ.

Deut. 30:4 "if any of thine be driven out UNTO THE OUTMOST PARTS OF HEAVEN, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will He fetch thee:"

alien abduction for slavery purposes anyone? not all taken are brought back. If there are believers out there, including some not exactly usual humans, it wouldn't be the first time that Christian slaves had converted their masters.

Matt. 24:31 "And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER." Two separate locations, the four winds, poetic reference to all locations on earth, and either a redundancy or a hint: "ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER."

Granted this might refer only to the dead in Christ coming back with Him, but if not it is a redundancy. one end of heaven to the other would seem to include a lot, not just the location of God, angels and the Christian dead.

Also granted this might be in the first case a "for instance," assuring that IF something happened that COULD happen but might not it will still be okay, the latter seems more certain that it HAS happened.

As for savability of those not fully human, Rev. 5:13 shows all manner of creatures praising God. what willingly praises God is in relationship with God.

Anonymous said...

What does the Holy Bible say about extra-terrestrial life?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c012.html

Anonymous said...

Rev. 5:13 is talking about life from Earth and Heaven,i.e. the angels, praising God. It has no reference to extra terrestrial life praising God. Why? Because there are no Martians or Nibiruans, etc!

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

"The Scriptures do not directly address the question of alien beings. The Bible does not explicitly confirm or deny the existence of intelligent life from other planets."

bingo.

"Although the subject is not addressed explicitly, the Bible teaches implicitly that the only things He created with intelligence are the angels, man, and the animals."

what someone infers from what they think is implicit is sometimes wrong.

intelligent aliens would classify as "man" and other life forms out there non intelligent as "animals."

however......

my scenario in A Possible History of Life on Mars by Christine Erikson on amazon kindle does not require a separate creation of alien life other than perhaps plants and some animals.

my theory is that the aliens being reported, aside from those that are demons (and those that aren't are involved with them), are in fact humans and modified humans descended from regular and modified people who were offworld when the Flood hit. That genetic engineering was started by humans and improved (or made worse) by the fallen angels of Genesis 6 and the children their wives had were only putatively their sons, but the women were surrogate mothers.

I have other things to do than defend this now. you can buy a kindle copy for $7.99 or borrow one free if you subscribe to kindle unlimited for $9.99 a month which lets you read any kindle book available to the kindle unlimited system.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

anon. 4:47

my point, which should be obvious, is that the arguments you must have heard by now that Christ couldn't redeem a nonhuman, is false, since these earthling non human creatures including seaslugs and whatnot were worshipping God. Therefore humans modified with non human DNA are not outside the range of savable.

This is already being made an issue by some speculation mongers regarding in vitro produced full blood humans, and those produced by cloning in future, and those with DARPA project non human genetics doped in.

Anonymous said...


"I have other things to do than defend this now"

No doubt. Go shower, brush your teeth and get dressed, then clean that dirty house you've let go so long because so busy spending an exhorbitant amount of time spreading your new age tripe here.

Anonymous said...

Chritine, why do you take the Christian article out of context and try to get it to mean the opposite from what it states, just as you do with Holy Scripture, you deceptive New Ager!
This is the full text below:

The question of UFO's and intelligent life on other planets has become very popular. Many fashionable scientists speculate about the possibilities, insisting that we cannot be alone in the universe. Alien life is the subject of hit television shows and movies, and is also a common belief of many New Age religions. Many people have asked what the Bible has to say about this subject. The following article is an attempt to deal honestly and simply with this subject and to answer the question in an easily understood manner. It is not meant to be an exhaustive or comprehensive theological treatise.

Cartoon Aliens in Spaceship
The Scriptures do not directly address the question of alien beings. The Bible does not explicitly confirm or deny the existence of intelligent life from other planets. Although the subject is not addressed explicitly, the Bible teaches implicitly that the only things He created with intelligence are the angels, man, and the animals.

It is important to remember that the stars and planets were not created billions of years before Earth. According to the Bible, Earth is not the result of billions of years of stellar evolution during which many other planets were created. Earth was created before any other planet or star existed. Earth came into existence on the first day of Creation (Genesis 1:1). God withheld the creation of the Sun, Moon and stars until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14-19). Earth is unique and holds center stage in God's Creation.

Planets.
Furthermore, the Bible clearly indicates that the fate of the universe (every other planet and star) is forever linked to God's timetable for mankind and the Earth. One day, Christ will return to Earth and complete the final act of man's redemption (2 Peter 3:9-10). He will destroy this present universe and create a new heavens and Earth (2 Peter 3:7,10; Revelations 21:1). All the stars and planets will be destroyed, along with the Earth.

What bearing does this have on the question of extraterrestrial life? The timetable (and the whole reason) for this destruction and re-creation clearly seems to be based on God's plan for us Earthlings. If God had created intelligent life on other worlds, it is hard to imagine that their lives would be calibrated by the failures of Earth's inhabitants. It seems unlikely and unfair that their distant planets would be destroyed by God because of His plan for Earth. The implication of Scripture is that there are no other intelligent beings besides man, animals, and the angels.

Why will God destroy the planets and stars along with Earth? When Adam sinned, ALL of creation was affected—the entire universe. Romans 8:18-22 teaches that all “creation was subjected to futility.” Although we are all familiar with the fact that God made man the ruler of Earth (Genesis 1:28), Scripture suggests that even the heavens are subject to mankind.

“Thy heavens, the work of the Thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which Thou has ordained…Thou dost make him [man] to rule over the works of Thy hands, Thou has put all things under his feet” (Psalms 8:3,6).

“And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them, which the Lord your God has given to all the peoples under the whole heaven as a heritage” (Deuteronomy 4:19).

Practical experience suggests that nothing in the universe is probably in its more perfect, originally created state. Earth is certainly no longer the paradise described in Genesis. Stars are dying. The moon and planets have been pummeled. It seems that everything in the universe will eventually wear out.

Continued...

Anonymous said...

...continued

Why would God create such a vast universe if it is only for those on the planet Earth? What purpose does the universe hold? Frankly, God has not revealed all the answers, but he has shared at least some of the reasons:

LIGHT, TIME-KEEPING AND NAVIGATION. Scripture tells us that God created the Sun, Moon and stars to give light (brightening the utter darkness of the night sky) and to assist mankind (Genesis 1:14-15, etc.). That's right, one of the reasons that God made the Moon, solar system and stars was to provide a way for us to distinguish the passage of time (days, months and years) and predict the coming of seasons. Without these heavenly bodies, the job of keeping time and navigation would have been far more difficult. We learn from history that from the earliest days, ancient peoples used the movement of stars in producing their calendars and finding their way across great distances, just as God designed from the beginning. It may be that even some migrating birds make use of the constellations.

GLORIFYING THE CREATOR. Another purpose for the myriad of stars is to bring glory to God—focusing man's attention on the Creator's awesome power and greatness. Psalm 19:1 states,

“The heavens are telling of the glory of God; and their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.”

The vastness of the universe is a tremendous expression of God's might and power. God is greater than we could ever imagine, even greater that His spectacular creation, the universe. Psalm 8:1,3,9 states,

“O Lord, our Lord, How majestic is Thy name in all the earth, Who hast displayed Thy splendor above the heavens! …When I consider Thy heavens, the work of Thy fingers, The moon and the stars, which Thou has ordained; …O Lord, our Lord, How majestic is Thy name in all the earth!”

When we consider the vastness of the universe, let us meditate upon the glory of God, not on dreaming up fantasies of alien beings.

The Bible does not teach that intelligent life exists elsewhere in our universe. Although our all-powerful God could have created such life had He desired, it seems rather obvious from Scripture that He did not. The timetable for this present universe is measured by God's dealings with us. It appears that God has created the human race, on the planet called Earth, as the sole beneficiary of His fellowship. This fellowship is of such a unique design that we are told that God's only true extra-terrestrial creations—angels—are eager to observe it in action. It is our privilege to be the center of attention in our vast and wonder-filled universe.

Anonymous said...

The time to discuss the salvation of intelligent material lifeforms other than humans is when the evidence is clear that they exist. There is no such evidence today, just a few scientifically illiterate fantasies.

Anonymous said...

The bible would say that if true and it doesn't. Would God want our interests as believers to go in that direction when He is calling us to know and learn of Him and go with the Gospel to our neighbor and love them in Jesus' name? Does anyone want to fight the new age? Then give people the truth which is the Gospel, unless of course, someone is one of those who don't know it or want it themselves...
Sci-fi loves to promote these ideas so why would believers in the bible even go there? And mostly, bible mysteries are for God to reveal (His time and way) since He holds all that information rightly and guess what?.....Christine hasn't a clue lol!
Therefore since she isn't wise enough to trust God holding all that information for His purpose, then Ms. Erikson should discuss this all she wants-------on her own blog.
Will fit right in over there with her inordinate interests in the paranormal, demonics, bad science, and deviant behavior.
She should take that topic up with the vatican, which made the headlines a while back, wanting to save extraterrestrials.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

"The bible would say that if true and it doesn't. "

Ah, now you are smarter than God?

The Bible says nothing about the western hemisphere continents and peoples that existed at the same time the Bible was being revealed. maybe a brief reference to "the islands" might include them. The Chinese empire is not discussed. India
might have gotten one mention as part of the PErsian empire, I'm not sure if it was mentioned.

there was no need for it. The Bible was written centered on God's dealings with mankind, narrowed to Israel out of which was to come The Messiah promised at the Fall, Genesis 3:15, and the rest hinges on that.

Anonymous said...

But over time that information came to everyone. God's time, God's way--things you know zero about.

No, that is you that lives in your own warped universe thinking you know it all. What you do know is all the sick and weird stuff, and how to dishonor your parents and disrespect others--that you are expert at...plus......you are new age to the bone, so don't think talking a little bible with this topic will be convincing come from a gnostic pharisee such as yourself..

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

sci-fi is not my concern, neither is channeled stuff I am only concerned with sightings of craft (some of which may be of earth weird physics origin) and alien abduction (much of which needs no hypnosis to recover) and physical trace evidence.
Its there. Something is going on, partly demonic partly physical.

Women have turned up pregnant some should not have pregnant. At three months, all of a sudden no baby, no indication of miscarriage (no blood or anything), and it is dismissed as an hysterical (false) pregnancy except.....some were ultra sounded and showed a baby. In one case it was very strange looking baby. An investigator took the ultrasound results, without saying what this was about, to medical experts who couldn't make any sense of what they were looking at. That baby of course was taken in an abduction after the previous abduction where she was impregnated. And brought to term in an artificial womb. Apparently the embryo stage needs a regular womb but can manage after a certain point in an artificial one.

People who have seen these report they are suspended in a green nutrient gel.

Back in the 1970s, some doctor saved an extreme premature infant, by placing it on a gel instead of a normal mattress the incubators usually use. I lost the article. The baby survived. The technique was unusual then and I don't hear of it now, if anyone has heard, please tell me. WHERE DID HE GET THE IDEA? maybe he was an abductee also.

These people are up to something and it is NOT going to be good for us. I recommend reading Dr. David Jacobs (of Temple University) books Secret Life, and The Threat and I think the third title is something like They Walk Among Us. you can get the gist of all this on youtube where there are interviews with him.

On separate occasions, two greys and a reptoid told humans that their people were originally from here. That is not where I got my scenario from, I put that together using Bible implications and limits imposed on technical possibilities and reports, then remembered the things I read later.

In Ubaid art there are three reptilian looking humanoids, like nothing Mesopotamian art produced elsewhere, and NOT like anything you see anywhere else like Aztec or anything. little statues.

ancient aliens is total fraud. they didn't make us we made them. they didn't teach us anything we didn't teach them and then forgot. most human invention and building was strictly human from earth.

there is a big propaganda game on and I suspect the rewilding part of Agenda 21 is to facilitate alien colonies where no one will know of it. Most like 99.99% of Agenda 21 pushers know nothing, even most at the top. But someone does.

And some of these aliens are cannibalistic.

A real cue is the description of the boss level aliens, the "praying mantis" types. They don't have six "legs" that is they don't have four arms and two legs or vice versa.

They have one pair of arms, and one pair of legs.

That tells me they were once human.

Anonymous said...

Beam her up, Scotty! She's sounding more Helena Blavatsky than Benjamin Creme these days!

There are no alien abductions Chritine, they are demons... the same type that no doubt have sadly abducted you and the resident blind-man!


Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

demons don't get you pregnant. demons don't bleed when cut in half by a sword.

demons are involved, yes, some abductions are by them some are by physical beings.

DARPA (your tax dollars at work for you) is already working on finding contractors to alter human DNA with animal DNA for various super soldier purposes. If we can think of this now, think it couldn't have happened before?

RayB said...

I hear sirens ... the men in the white coats are on their way. A very nice padded room awaits.

Anonymous said...

Here's some things I know:

Physicist will forget more actual good science than you will ever know.
Craig, OMOTS, Rich of Medford, Paul and RayB, plus a whole bunch of others (I know who you are but want to keep this short) who have posted here, will forget more of true Bible scholarship than you will ever know.


And last but not least, Constance will forget more about exposing and fighting the new agers than you'll ever know....
...besides..you've joined them...
...we smell ya.

Anonymous said...

@Ray B 7:42 PM,
I can just imagine her response when the psychiatric nurses turn up:

'Oh no! A strange vehicle with flashing lights, the aliens aka the men in white are abducting me... they're coming to take me away, haha heehee haha... "

Anonymous said...

"And some of these aliens are cannibalistic."

You are blasphemously wishfully cannibalistic, Critine, with your belief in transubstantiation!

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

"You are blasphemously wishfully cannibalistic, Critine, with your belief in transubstantiation! "

take it up with the late first century Christians who to judge by the testimony of Ignatius d. c. AD 98, and next generation according to the testimony of Justin Martyr writing c. AD 150 believed in the transformation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.

Anonymous said...

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Right-from-wrong-The-Vaticans-disgraceful-display-443417

More monkey business.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

http://www.orthodoxwriter.com/2011/08/buddhism-yoga-reiki-eastern-orthodoxy.html

"The reason that the body feels so at rest during and after the use of these techniques is because its functioning has been shut down, more or less, to only a minimal level of operation, one whose brain waves mimic those experienced during sleep. The heart is still pumping blood, but less so. The lungs are still oxygenating the blood, but at a slower rate. The blood is still traveling to the various body tissues, but its chemical composition is substantially different. In other words, the body still works, but it works differently, in a way that feels quite good.

Unfortunately, one of the consequences of experiencing such euphoria is that it leaves the mind in a dramatically impressionable state, permeable to all kinds of messages. Research shows that meditation and similar relaxation-inducing techniques leave a person highly subject to suggestion14 and susceptible to hypnotic induction.15 During this phase of heightened suggestibility, the soul can be steered any which way, including away from Christ. To be sure, this is one of the very purposes of such techniques."

While these exercizes may be done in a Christian seeming context with Christian yoga instructor or whatever, the evil spirits can more easily mess with your mind and faith over time when you are in these suggestible states. The kind of sloppy
open mindedness encouraged by leaders of these practices in groups, in writings you will find when part of this scene, also facilitates eventual loosening of your hold on true doctrine. The pleasure of relaxation from abnormal degrees of stress may become a positive reinforcement for the wrong ideas that are implicit in the culture these practices reflect. step by step.


Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

going through old threads, I came across a post of mine "a really disturbing thing as I listen to the video, is that reiki and so forth is talking about the people infused with this have some long term goal to be manifested when enough of them come together or reach some critical mass of the population or whatever."

mass possession? I think we should start paying attention to who is a reiki initiate and what level.


Reiki is more dangerous than the other eastern metaphysic feel good and healing practices. While ANY intrusion by a healer of their energy system on another's can bring trouble because of what ideas or attitudes or spirits are piggy backing on the healer's personal energy, Reiki is far worse.

why? Because the initiation involves symbols to be concentrated on to invoke spirits to give the "current" of reiki, a flow from them. There are at least three stages of initiation, and the farther you go the more the spirits are involved in what you do. Eventually they seem to take over. THIS IS NOT UNLIKE THE FERI CURRENT IN FERI WITCHCRAFT OR FERI WICCA which has some variants using other names. ALL these systems of course are of the devil, but some are more so than others, some are merely wrong ideas, and a person who is denying Christ and worshipping false gods however nice they seem to be is headed for damnation. BUT IN THE CASE OF A LIVE CURRENT AND SPIRIT GUARDIANS, GUIDES, ETC. YOU HAVE A PERSONAL PRESENCE.
And I noticed while researching feri, that a lot of them were into reiki also.


who chose Obama - not communists,globalists. Bilderbergers. no one has gotten to be president without the nod from David Rockefeller. unless that birth announcement in the Hawaiiannewspaper is coincidence of names, this was being set up from before his birth, since there is evidence he was born in Kenya, yet there is aside from the fake birth certificate that birth announcement in Hawaii. The birth certificate nonense of difference between certificate of live birth and birth certificate is the usual "patriot" and "sovereign" ignorant pretentious garbage like most of
their legal concepts, but the thing computer analyzes as fake. But the birth announcement was a positioning of him in Hawaii for only one possible reason: presidential material. globalists run with communists, and run communists at times, but are distinct. they are essentially wannabe nobility/monarchical caste that are
for total privatization, no government controls (except that benefit them) and free markets they can rig.

The very possibility of the suspicions arising was useful because all questioning of him could be labeled racist. And indeed many had such motives. After the computer analysis showing the released birth certificate to be a photoshop construct and the admission by a person in the Hawaiian office who then ran off and hid somewhere, I reluctantly concluded that the birthers were right. (I never cared that much for him and didn't vote for ANY of the candidates last two elections for president.)

Anonymous said...

Yes, Reiki manuals for practitioners tell practitioners to transfer evil spirits to the patient (using different language of course; these are deluded people), but not to say so.

Anonymous said...

Constance,

Christine@7.17pm really is off the wall in a New Age way. This is an anti-New-Age website based on your lifetime of diligent work on the subject and Christine has her own blog to air her own thoughts. Please would you, if not ban her, arrange pre-post editing for her?

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPg8Si4pSaw Ray Yungen - Energy Healing

beings on other planes are given credit for a lot of energy healing. Ray Yungen, denouncing all this stuff mentions that people would stop talking to him because he said that yes this stuff is real, and energy does come off the energy worker's hands, and the others said no it was just nonsense.

But Yungen was recognizing the real danger lay not in believing harmless nonsense you waste your money on, but in actual energy flows and spirits exploiting these to instill self deification or other notions and to weaken boundaries against them and gain control. the reference to reaching a critical mass is at time point 35:00.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

anon 5:29

there I nothing new agey about what I wrote. you are thinking of channeled "aliens" which are either demons or liars pretending to channel or projective telepaths and this practice involves violation of God created boundaries and is a red flag in itself. There is nothing new agey about recognizing a physical political threat in something that is a genetically modified organism with a hybridizing infiltration takeover plan.

your attitude is far more helpful of new age interests by suppressing the research that shows these things need to be taken seriously. YES they can be fought in the Name of Jesus and JEsus helps against all this telepathic invasion stuff whoever is doing it, but whether it can only be done with demon help or is something that we part physical part spirit can do to some extent anyway, strictly physical humans can and have done things whether with demon help or on their own it doesn't matter.

paranormal angles to something do not rule out a physical human (or whatever GMO) being involved.

Dismissing the whole thing as new age is not the solution. Some of the hybrids that can pass for us are now moving in society, and they learn how to operate like the society they are in expects. that includes taking on a religious identity. one hubrid in training asked which the best religion was. CONVERSION IN REALITY MAY HAPPEN. The more the human backcross the more human percentage in the mix, the more out of control they may become. their masters are both the demons and the human GMOs that are so loaded with insect and reptile and amphibian genetics their mentality (and of course physical appearance) is very nonhuman. (I hate to think what the typical mating style of a mantid humanoid is, given the cannibalistic tendencies of female praying mantises.)

Anonymous said...

Constance, please!

Anonymous said...

Critine Baalson aka Jestina, you need serious spiritual and psychiatric help!

Anonymous said...

Make sure you insist on seeing a born-again Christian psychiatrist rather than a New Age one.

Anonymous said...

""Dismissing the whole thing as new age is not the solution. Some of the hybrids that can pass for us are now moving in society, and they learn how to operate like the society they are in expects. that includes taking on a religious identity. one hubrid in training asked which the best religion was. CONVERSION IN REALITY MAY HAPPEN. The more the human backcross the more human percentage in the mix, the more out of control they may become. their masters are both the demons and the human GMOs that are so loaded with insect and reptile and amphibian genetics their mentality (and of course physical appearance) is very nonhuman. (I hate to think what the typical mating style of a mantid humanoid is, given the cannibalistic tendencies of female praying mantises.)""

How very weird you are as you disembowel you psyche here.

So I wonder, is this where the amazon thing came upon you then? You certainly have opened yourself up to much ungodliness, Christine. Then you must have demonic information that is passed to you because you seek great things for yourself, to be the one who has to be that messenger caring not one moment what or who you step all over to tell it, or if it is even verifiable-just so you get to be the one to tell all these "big secrets". Who needs more attention (even negative suits you as it fuels that desire to dominate) than you do? It is about you--not about the Lord-at all. (the devil uses God's word against Him too just as you do). It shows us your very rogue, very undependent (independent & separated from) spirit upon the Lord--the spirit that has overtaken you is as the Bible describes in the passage I refer you to below.

If we are not ruled by the Word of God (stay within it's authority and righteous perimeters), guided by His Holy Spirit, we can be ruled by any number of ungodly things. Since you have an occult/new age background I would suggest to you that you are the person of Luke 11:23-26. You are in the gall of bitterness and unforgivenness and it has led you down this path of unrighteousness to speak against the Lord and cause division wherever you go. Your heart and mind lives in the dry places of desolation. Not one truly edifying anything from the Word comes through your writings here. You think you cleaned up your act and became EO. (that is not a statement against EO but rather a statement about you). You should have actually repented and turned from-not back again to your occult leanings. You are steeped in the new age and your little bit of bible admix gives you away.

The proud spirit of the pharisee (against Christ) is what is within you kicking against the goads of truth when it is told to you. You defend nothing but your miserable self.....and misery loves company. Since too small a number visits or comments at your blog, then that is why you come here. You will not be ignored. Humble (godly minded) people are not driven as you are.

You truly do need help, but are you willing to be made humble by the LORD to actually receive it?

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

"this path of unrighteousness to speak against the Lord and cause division wherever you go. "

you are a false accuser of the brethren. I have not spoken against the Lord Jesus Christ, and as for division you RC bashers are the one causing that in the fight against the New Age. you are shameful.

Anonymous said...

Your reputation is reknown here that you are very divisive.
That is not of the Lord.
When you speak in His name (anybody can toss His Name around-the devil does that too) but you use His name like it is a magic word and going further with that, your learnings, leanings, and practices reveal what you really believe and thus give you away.
Your holy water concoctions, etc don't fix what is wrong with your testimony.
You will have to submit yourself to the Lord Jesus to fix that.
Your multitudes of words tell us all we need to know about what you have turned yourself over to.
You need the Lord, desperately........if you would humble yourself before Him, you will then know exactly what I and others have already told you.
You cannot serve two masters, Christine Erikson.

Anonymous said...

"that you are the person of Luke 11:23-26. You are in the gall of bitterness and unforgivenness and it has led you down this path of unrighteousness to speak against the Lord and cause division wherever you go. Your heart and mind lives in the dry places of desolation"
We have her years of "proof" of her bad belief system, from one thread to the next and she is intensely proud of herself!
Yes, the gall of bitterness.
This isn't rocket science to figure out.

RayB said...

Where would the truth be declared on this blog if it weren't for the "defenders of the faith that was once delivered unto the saints"? Without those faithful defenders, this blog would be completely clogged up with the lies and false "gospel" of Roman Catholicism, along with Christine/Justina going all out now with her New Age space alien nonsense. While it is sad to see so many lies declared here, I personally have been enriched and encouraged by those that are faithful to the truth of God's Word, and aren't afraid to declare it.

To God be the glory!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 1:55 P.M.


Re: protestants retort that in that case why did Rome never authorize vernacular translations before protestants made them available?

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"Although John Wycliffe is often credited with the first translation of the Bible into English, there were, in fact, many translations of large parts of the Bible centuries before Wycliffe's work. The English Bible was first translated from the Latin Vulgate into Old English by a few select monks and scholars.

Such translations were generally in the form of prose or as interlinear glosses (literal translations above the Latin words). Very few complete translations existed during that time. Rather, most of the books of the Bible existed separately and were read as individual texts. Thus, the sense of the Bible as history that often exists today did not exist at that time. Instead, an allegorical rendering of the Bible was more common and translations of the Bible often included the writer’s own commentary on passages in addition to the literal translation.

cont.

Anonymous said...

cont.


Toward the end of the 7th century, the Venerable Bede began a translation of scripture into Old English (also called Anglo-Saxon). Aldhelm (c. 639–709) translated the complete Book of Psalms and large portions of other scriptures into Old English.

In the 10th century an Old English translation of the Gospels was made in the Lindisfarne Gospels: a word-for-word gloss inserted between the lines of the Latin text by Aldred, Provost of Chester-le-Street. This is the oldest extant translation of the Gospels into the English language.

The Wessex Gospels (also known as the West-Saxon Gospels) are a full translation of the four gospels into a West Saxon dialect of Old English. Produced in approximately 990, they are the first translation of all four gospels into English without the Latin text.

In the 11th century, Abbot Ælfric translated much of the Old Testament into Old English. The Old English Hexateuch is an illuminated manuscript of the first six books of the Old Testament without lavish illustrations and including a translation of the Book of Judges in addition to the 5 books of the Pentateuch.

Middle English

The Ormulum is in Middle English of the 12th century. Like its Old English precursor from Ælfric, an Abbot of Eynsham, it includes very little Biblical text, and focuses more on personal commentary. This style was adopted by many of the original English translators. For example, the story of the Wedding at Cana is almost 800 lines long, but fewer than 40 lines are the actual translation of the text. An unusual characteristic is that the translation mimics Latin verse, and so is similar to the better known and appreciated 14th-century English poem, Cursor Mundi.

Richard Rolle (1290–1349) wrote an English Psalter. Many religious works are attributed to Rolle, but it has been questioned how many are genuinely from his hand. Many of his works were concerned with personal devotion, and some were used by the Lollards.[2]

The 14th century theologian John Wycliffe is credited with translating what is now known as Wycliffe's Bible, though it is not clear how much of the translation he himself did. This translation came out in two different versions. The earlier text is characterised by a strong adherence to the word order of Latin, and might have been difficult for the layperson to comprehend. The later text made more concessions to the native grammar of English."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations_into_English

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"The area known as England was invaded and settled by Germanic tribes called "Saxons" who aligned with tribes from the area of Denmark called "Angles". In the 700's, (St. Bede the Venerable), the area was speaking a Germanic dialect. In the Middle Ages, between 1066-1377, there were different dialects depending on where you went, between the different tribes. The Normans had invaded the area, There was no written vocabulary, so Latin and Greek were most commonly used by the literate.

After 1300, the English population was still much smaller than others like the Italians or Spanish, and it was still unintelligible in a written form. After the 1500's, England became more important politically.

For centuries before the invention of printing, the only way to duplicate the text of the Bible was to copy it by hand. Copyists could have made mistakes, but, they took more care with Scripture than with any other book. Errors, while they are possible and certainly have occurred in some instances, can not be too easily admitted or accepted as an excuse to disregard these copies. Moreover, God in His Providence has faithfully protected His Bible from any serious corruption."

http://www.cathtruth.com/catholicbible/earlyhis.htm

Anonymous said...

Paul 8:51 and 9:21

Regarding your comment about "sodomite" priests administering the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, the validity of the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist - like my faith - does not depend upon the personal sanctity of those who are Sacramentally charged - via Holy Orders - with the responsibility of administering it.

Similarly to Baptism, which can be administered even by a pagan provided that the matter and form of the Sacrament are present, the validity of the Holy Eucharist in Roman Catholicism depends TOTALLY on Christ - provided the matter and form ( bread and wine and words of consecration) of the Sacrament are present and the Sacrament is administered by a validly ordained priest - the validity of the Sacrament of Holy Orders also completely depending on Christ.

As I recall, it was Jesus Himself who said that tax collectors and prostitutes ( including sodomites ) would get into the kingdom of heaven before the self righteous Pharisees. Because while gluttony, sloth, sexual sins and other "sins of the flesh" may be among the most SHAMEFUL sins, they are not the most DANGEROUS sins. Spiritual pride is!

Catholics themselves do not really need long-winded "erudite" explanations in order to believe in the miracle of the Holy Eucharist. In fact, most ordinary garden variety Catholics simply take Jesus at His word that He literally meant exactly what He said.

The ultimate purpose for the "longwinded" theological explanations on the part of Catholics is simply to defend the Holy Eucharist against unbelievers whose own longwinded pseudo-"erudite" twaddle has placed Christ's word in doubt.

Maybe the word "transubstantiation" is not in the Bible, but what this one word describes is most certainly right straight out of the Bible. If anyone says it isn't, then He had better check his Bible.

Actually, Catholics don't even need to use the term "transubstantiation" - which, like the word "TRINITY" is simply a ONE WORD DESCRIPTION for what the BIBLE tells us is Jesus taking bread and wine at the Last Supper and miraculously changing it into His body and blood in such a way that the bread and wine continued to appear to be bread and wine. ( Transubstantiation is a lot less "longwinded," wouldn't you say?)


Anonymous said...

If true, there is little, if any, defense that really needs then, 10:47 AM.
You should rebuke the explainer-in-chief (muddler/meddler-in-chief) Mary Christine Erikson for making even more hash out of the hash you've got.
The Holy spirit teaches much (much!) better..
(than any one of us).

Anonymous said...

Well said, 11:51 AM!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 3:43 AM

Re: But it isn't - because if it appeared different then it would not be called the same thing. This is the point that you are not engaging with.

Re: .......we can simply disagree and accept that there is no way whatsoever for either of us to assert that the other is wrong.

Re: ......But what you cannot do is call that change a change to its substance. If you wish to call it transubstantiation then you are using the notion of substance differently from the meaning which Aristotle himself gave. Does that not worry you?

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I am aware of Aristotle and I know what the laws of nature are regarding substance and accident and I believe that I already said that I agreed with you - in terms of the natural law. The claim is not scientifically falsifiable. But the reason why that does not worry me is because I am talking about a MIRACLE here, and for whatever reason, this is the point that you do not seem to be engaging with.

You will find that the Catholic Encyclopedia validates what you have said concerning subject and accident (I will be happy to confine myself to the use of the term "accident") in terms of the natural law, but it also explains that the intrinsic possibility of the separability of subject from accident would depend upon a divine intervention (i.e. a miracle). And that is the point. Catholics believe that such a miracle actually does takes place during the consecration at Mass. For Catholics, this is a matter of faith.

Here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia says......

"..........The teaching of Catholic philosophy on the distinct reality of certain absolute, not purely modal, accidents was occasioned by the doctrine of the Real Presence of the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist, though the arguments for the theory are deduced from natural experience. The same doctrine, however, suggests the further question, whether such accidents may not be separable from substance. Reason alone offers no positive arguments for such separability. The most it can do is to show that separability involves no inherent contradiction, and hence no absolute impossibility; the Omnipotence that endows substance with the power of supporting accidents can, it is claimed, supply some other means of support. Nor would the accidents thus separated, and supernaturally supported, lose their character as accidents, since they would still retain their essential property, i.e. natural exigence of inhesion. Of course the intrinsic possibility of such separation depends solely on the supernatural interference of God, nor may it extend to all classes of accidents. Thus, e.g., it is absolutely impossible for vital faculties, or acts, to exist outside their natural subjects, or principles. ......

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01096c.htm

Also...

(Denzinger 1652). after transubstantiation, the accidents of bread and wine do not inhere in any subject or substance whatever. Yet they are not make-believe they are sustained in existence by divine power.

cont.

Anonymous said...

cont.

Jesus also miraculously changed water into wine during the Wedding Feast at Cana which was a foreordination to the transformation of the Bread and Wine at the Last Supper. The difference between this miracle at Cana and the miracle of the Eucharist is that at Cana when Jesus miraculously changed the substance of water into the substance of wine, He also changed the "accidental properties" of the water into the "accidental properties" of wine. Substance was not separated from accident.

However, (according to Catholic belief), when Jesus changed the bread and wine into His body and blood and commanded the Apostles to continue to "do this" in memory of Him, He changed the substance of bread and wine into the substance of His body and blood while miraculously continuing to support the SEPARATE EXISTENCE of the accidental properties of the bread and wine.....since as stated above, "the intrinsic possibility of such separation depends solely on the supernatural interference of God..." According to the Gospel account, the bread and wine continued to appear to be bread and wine

When all is said and done, our disagreement is ultimately with regard to our respective interpretations of Jesus' words in the New Testament.

Catholic belief is based on Jesus own words which Catholics take literally. The grounds for taking them literally are the fact that some of the disciples began to leave Jesus when He told them that He was the bread of life and that unless they ate His flesh and drank His blood, they would not have life everlasting. After the disciples began to leave Jesus, He did not in any way amend what He told them or indicate that they had misunderstood Him. See John 6:25-71.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 11:51 said...

Re: If true, there is little, if any, defense that really needs then, 10:47 AM.

That goes contrary to the Bible which says:

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have." Peter 3:15

I am simply abiding by the Word of God. Are you ready to give sound logical reasons for your beliefs and to answer tough questions? Giving scandal by way of being verbally abusive to others while larding the verbal abuse with the name of "Jesus Christ" and the "Holy Spirit" is not the same thing as giving reasons for your faith - and tends to make one think of the biblical passages that associate scandals with millstones.

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Re: You should rebuke the explainer-in-chief (muddler/meddler-in-chief) Mary Christine Erikson for making even more hash out of the hash you've got.
The Holy spirit teaches much (much!) better..
(than any one of us).


I have no personal quarrel with Christine and I pray that if there is any need for the "rebuking" of anyone here - including you -that the Lord will do the rebuking. In Jude 1:9 not even the archangel Michael arrogate to himself the right to judge the devil when they were disputing over the body of Moses:

9 But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" Jude 1:9

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In any case, what's the real issue here? Are you annoyed and/or disappointed because a Catholic is exclusively quoting the Bible and not the Pope? Does it ruin your clueless little narrative that Catholics "do not read the Bible?" Are you worried that I may know more about the Bible than you pretend to know???

Because the fact of the matter is that the "hash" I've got is straight out of the Bible - which you like to wave in everybody's face but probably have never even bothered to read - except, perhaps, in order to cherrypick passages that you and/or your pastor and/or the "holy spirit" THINK are going to trip up Catholics - you would know that what you are referring to as "hash" are not my words, but the very words of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus Christ who said "I am the bread of life" etc. John 6:25-31 NOT me. Not the Pope.

You talk about being "taught" by the Holy Spirit? Really? Is it the "Holy Spirit" then, that is teaching you it is OK to insult and denigrate people with whom you happen to disagree? Because whatever "spirit" you imagine is teaching you these things, it is certainly NOT the Holy Spirit!

I will certainly keep you in my prayers.

Anonymous said...

True, but let the word of God answer the issues. short, sweet, it packs the punch because it is the truth...period.
Hash is what men bring to the table. Leave the man stuff out and you have just purity from God left. Those are the nuggets people need and to stick with.

People (you're a people, me too) are too easily offended. Let the truth do the talking and take yourself out of that loop. No harm done that way. The truth can handle itself.

If you are insulted then you are making it about you.
And it's not about any us of right?

All of us can certainly use prayer.....

Anonymous said...

Re:If you are insulted then you are making it about you.
And it's not about any us of right?

If it is not about any of us, then why are you MAKING it about any of us? I have quoted nothing but the Bible....the word of God. Here is what you are callinbg "hash."

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"27 Do not work for food that perishes but for the food that endures for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him the Father, God, has set his seal.”
28 So they said to him, “What can we do to accomplish the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in the one he sent.”
30 So they said to him, “What sign can you do, that we may see and believe in you? What can you do?
31 Our ancestors ate manna in the desert, as it is written:

‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’”

32 So Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 So they said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.
36 But I told you that although you have seen [me], you do not believe.
37 Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me,
38 because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me.
39 And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should not lose anything of what he gave me, but that I should raise it [on] the last day.
40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him [on] the last day.”
41 The Jews murmured about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven,”
42 and they said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph? Do we not know his father and mother? Then how can he say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”
43 Jesus answered and said to them, “Stop murmuring among yourselves.
44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets:

‘They shall all be taught by God.’

Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me.
46 Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father.
47 Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
48 I am the bread of life.
49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
50 this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”

cont.

Anonymous said...

52 The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?”
53 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
59 These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

The Words of Eternal Life.

60 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
61 Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
62 What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
65 And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
66 As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.
67 Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”
68 Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
69 We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”
70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?”
71 He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve. John 6:27-71

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As you said....let the Word of God answer the issues. It certainly does pack a punch, doesn't it? And that is because it is the TRUTH.....PERIOD....in all its PURITY.

The word of God allowed to speak for itself.

After reading John 6:27-71, it is hard to imagine how anyone could interpret it to mean that Jesus didn't LITERALLY mean exactly what he said in John 6:27-71?

A lot of "man stuff"/ "hash" has to be brought to the table in order to deny the word of God here!

Anonymous said...

No, finally, now you are quoting the bible.
All the absolute tons of verbiage that has gone on in a huge portion of this thread amounts to hash because explained tooooo death!

Now can you let it rest?



Please! and thank you.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:39 PM, you claim that you won't rebuke MCE because the Lord should do it, yet that is not always the case. Also in Holy Scripture we are told: "Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear."

Elsewhere we are also told to rebuke and correct in season and out of season, and in Jude we are also told to stand by the traditions (Biblical traditions not RC EO or MCE man-made traditions) delivered once unto the saints!

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

anon 6:00 pm

while I agree with your view of rebuking sometimes indeed often being the proper work of humans, you are the one led by man made traditions invented during and
sometimes before the Reformation and some likely the Reformers didn't mess with.

RC and EO where correct are biblical traditions, as that extensive quote from
Scripture showing you the whole eat Christ's flesh in context should show you, the
tradition of transformation of the bread and wine in the Eucharist into the Body
and Blood of Christ is not man made not RC or EO made, but made by Christ Himself!
That was the whole reason to quote them. now do you get it? CHRIST SAID this, THE FOLLOWERS SOME WERE UPSET. and SOME DECIDED TO LEAVE BECAUSE OF THIS TAKING IT LITERALLY and called it a "hard saying," AND CHRIST DID NOT TELL THEM THAT HE DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY, His silence affirmed that their interpretation (and RC's and EO's and Anglican) is correct, AND TO THOSE WHO STAYED HE DID NOT SAY THIS IS A PARABLE I WILL EXPLAIN NOW AND YOU EXPLAIN LATER.

are you just "soaking" and getting a "feeling" from reading Scripture OR DO YOU READ IT LIKE YOU WOULD ANY OTHER MANUAL ON WHATEVER TO EXTRACT INFORMATION AND APPLY IT?

If you are not doing the latter, then you are doing contemplative type lectio divina.

Anonymous said...

4:38PM and 6:00PM

RE: No, finally, now you are quoting the bible.
All the absolute tons of verbiage that has gone on in a huge portion of this thread amounts to hash because explained tooooo death!


Does the Bible sanction lying? All anyone has to do is to read this whole thread to see that I have been quoting the Scriptures on the Holy Eucharist and have been referring to the Scriptures all along.

The thing is now that you have finally realized that you cannot credibly defend your own beliefs but can only stoop to abusive ad hominem attacks you want to "let it rest."

Sooooooo typical!

*********************

Anon. 6:00PM

Re: "Elsewhere we are also told to rebuke and correct in season and out of season..."

Elsewhere, Jesus is also recorded in the Bible as saying "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

So now perhaps YOU should let it rest.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

The usage of "is" in the sense of a figure in a parable "being" in the sense of representing something and in the sense of identifying something as something, may include an element of representation, but in the parable of the sower, these are various categories of recipient of the word, the representation of word as seed, is an identification of that seed as the word. This IS My Body then not only has the bread representing His Body, but identifies it WITH His Body.

So whether you have bread and wine plus Jesus replacing some of it, side by side with each atom, consubstantiation, or bread and wine entirely transformed into or replaced by Jesus's disguised flesh and blood, transubstantiation or transformation, with consubstantiation involving transformation of some of the bread and wine (someone suggested this to Luther, that even as Jesus was both physical and divine so the Eucharist retains some bread and wine and has also Jesus' Flesh and Blood), you have a representation that is an identification. He does not say that it is spiritually or mystically His Body and Blood He says it IS His Body and it IS His Blood.

Anonymous said...

I thought you were going to let the bible have the final word?
Guess not.

Incoming!!!!



And here comes MCE's lecture about what "is' is.
Must be a Bill Clinton fan.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

The transformation supporting statements of Ignatius whose life and location overlapped that of The Apostle John, and was the successor of the successor of Peter in Antioch and had reportedly been taught by John, so TWO lines of source of information for him existed,

and that of Irenaeus who was taught by Polycarp who was in John's lifetime and location,

testify to the early Church believing that transformation was the correct interpretation of Jesus' words, only heretics who denied His Incarnation denied HIs Flesh and Blood being present in the Eucharist.

Paul's warning about partaking of the Eucharist without perceiving the Lord's Body also supports transformation as the correct interpretation of "is" in Jesus' Eucharistic words.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

"I thought you were going to let the bible have the final word? "

Just what do you think that final word adds up to? Do you still deceive yourself that it supports Calvinist/zwinglist denial of the real presence of Christ's Body and Blood in the Eucharist?

If you don't like my presentation, fine.

But if you are really letting the Bible speak for itself, then by now you have seen your error and admit that the real Body and Blood of Christ is literally in the Eucharist. That is what the Bible says.

So are you letting the Bible have the final word?

or your man made traditions unknown before the Reformation, whose only precedent was in the teachings of heretics who denied the divinity and/or Incarnation of Christ?

Anonymous said...

I never listen to Bill Clinton.

You either.

Anonymous said...

Dear 12.38pm,

Why do you think that we humans are incapable of perceiving the change that is said to take place at transubstantiation, please? We perceive all other miracles - that is their point.

Anonymous said...

So what. People can perceive whatever they want. Quote your scriptures for your position and then let the reader decide one way or another. BUT NO! We have to have over 25+ very long, tedious, and redundant posts with little scripture (go back and look) and whole lot more of over and over and over explaining of somebody's church doctrine.

Enough already.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

"We perceive all other miracles - that is their point."

we don't usually perceive a difference after being baptized into Jesus'
death and Resurrection. the kind of miracles you are talking about are
for the purpose of affecting the views (increasing the belief or starting
it in the first place) of the viewer. Baptism and the Eucharist are
approached with faith already in place. There have been incidents when
Eucharistic hosts bled there is Lanciano in all cases it was to cause
an effect in the viewer.

Scripture has been brought up repeatedly.

Anonymous said...

Should suffice then?

ARE YOU DONE?????
Please.

Anonymous said...

A true baptism into Jesus is that of the spirit, and yes, we do very much experience it and the miraculous wonder of beginning our living relationship with God.

Water baptism is merely symbolic to express commitment (though it may happen concurrently with spiritual baptism), on its own it is not necessary for salvation. If you think it is then I remind you of the repentant thief on the cross next to Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior!

Being truly born again is something we very much experience as a miracle! If you haven't experienced such then I doubt you are born again!

Anonymous said...

12:51 P.M. said,

"Why do you think that we humans are incapable of perceiving the change that is said to take place at transubstantiation, please? We perceive all other miracles - that is their point."

******************************

By that standard, why can you believe that Jesus was speaking literally and not metaphorically when He indicated on more than one occasion that he was God? ( i.e."Before Abraham came to be, I AM" John 8:58)

The reason why we believe He was speaking literally when He claimed to be God is because the authorities wanted to stone Him when He said this, and Jesus did not amend His declaration in spite of the threat of being stoned.

Likewise, Jesus did not amend His teaching on the Eucharist even when His disciples started leaving Him.

It is left to us to draw strict logical conclusions based on the revealed "givens" of the Gospels.

It is my belief based on the teachings of St. Paul, that if we are incapable of sensibly perceiving the miraculous change that takes place at transubstantiation, it is likely because in this regard, Our Lord wants us to "walk by faith and not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7

Anonymous said...

"People who have seen these report they are suspended in a green nutrient gel."

Perhaps it is brain food?

Mary C Erikson, do all of your terrific thoughts that you bless us with here at this blog, come to you while you're suspended in this green nutrient gel?
Do tell us more, and don't hold back.

Anonymous said...

"...green nutrient gel..."

Mary C Erikson is evidently sneezing blobs of ether-jello all over this blog again!

Anonymous said...

Mary C Erikson, is that stop sign in front of your nigh on half million dollars abode down at 2580 S Whitney Blvd, Rocklin, CA 95677, for the UFOs or have the neighbors put it there especially for you?

What a pagan looking front door, with the half sun motif on it, you've got! Was that Mike's idea or yours? It's hideous!

Anonymous said...

Dear 4.55pm,

I believe that Jesus was/is divine not because of the I AM statements, which are a strong hint but not decisive, but because Isaiah (9:6) prophesied the birth of a child who would be God - and in the OT "god" meant only Jehovah - and because when Thomas called him "My Lord and God" (John 20:28) He accepted the designation. Anybody faithful to God but not divine would have corrected Thomas.

I've answered your question; I do understand that you think humans cannot perceive the change that you believe takes place at transubstantiation; when I asked why we cannot do that, I meant what is it about our perception that makes it impossible (not what was God's reason for making it impossible). I recognise that you might not have a certain answer but I'd welcome your best guess. Human sin? We were created in God's image and we certainly saw things as he did before we fell.

Anonymous said...

Mary C Erikson, is that stop sign in front of your nigh on half million dollars abode down at 2580 S Whitney Blvd, Rocklin, CA 95677, for the UFOs or have the neighbors put it there especially for you?

What a pagan looking front door, with the half sun motif on it, you've got! Was that Mike's idea or yours? It's hideous!

Anonymous said...

I bet he didn't see that coming!

Anonymous said...

Very NAM down in Rocklin n Roseville!

Anonymous said...

Anon.6:37 said

"I recognise that you might not have a certain answer but I'd welcome your best guess. Human sin? We were created in God's image and we certainly saw things as he did before we fell."

*********************************

The way I learned it, in terms of natural philosophy, substance by itself cannot be perceived by the senses - only by the intellect. Accidents, on the other hand can be perceived by the senses.

I think that we can be certain that man's intellect was far greater before the Fall than it was after the Fall and that Adam's vision of creation was in sync with God's as long as he agreed t do God's will.

Anonymous said...

Dear 8.35pm,

I wouldn't want to separate senses and intellect so sharply. What the brain and the sensory organs together comprise is a very high pattern recognition capability. This cannot be done without both.

paul said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Gesù

On the outside of the Chiaza Gesu:
Mary with her foot on the neck of "a woman", (a Church, Protestantism ): She has a little cherub beside her ripping up the pages of "a book" which is probably Martin Luthers writings. There are so many cute little cherubs in Rome it would take years to clean up the obvious sin of idolatry that they represent, and which is a creature that is not found in the Bible with any description at all much less a fat little baby with wings.
"Thou shalt make no graven image of anything which is in heaven..."
And on the inside there's Francis Xavier with his foot on the neck of Martin Luther , and Ignatious Loyola stomping on Calvin.
These statues used to have plaques with descriptions but they were taken down after Vatican I.
The statues are now described as all the above stamping out "heresy" which is what the Jesuits have always
called simple fundamental Christianity, without all the many add-ons and subtractions of the Roman Catholic denomination.

Anonymous said...

Wow, Paul. That is a pretty graphic display.
Guess I am branded a heretic then, and by the grace of God I'll remain one.

Anonymous said...

Dear 9:47 AM

Re: "I wouldn't want to separate senses and intellect so sharply. What the brain and the sensory organs together comprise is a very high pattern recognition capability. This cannot be done without both."

That is correct. It was not my intention to separate sense and intellect. Both mind and body are required for intellectual activity since all knowledge is rooted in sense experience.

I should have added that because we gain our knowledge of reality through our senses, we can directly perceive only the accidental features of things and not substance.

Although accidents are always distinct from substance, which is their source of being, we are nevertheless able to infer substances from accidents/attributes which are perceived by the senses.......the one exception according to Roman Catholic and Orthodox Catholic teaching being the Holy Eucharist whose substance is incapable of being inferred from its accidents (bread and wine) and necessarily had to be revealed by Christ.

Anonymous said...

Worse, Paul, the Sala Regia adjacent to the Sistine Chapel in the Vatican is decorated with scenes commissioned by Pope Gregory XIII from the artist Vasari that celebrate the St Bartholomew’s Day massacre of French protestants (‘Huguenots’) in Paris in 1572, for which Gregory congratulated the French king.

Anonymous said...

Some of those Huguenots were my family, my people. Some fled to safety and some didn't make it out.
God will reckon with it all.

RayB said...

Saint Bartholomew’s Day Massacre

August 24, 1572

“King Charles IX of France, under the sway of his Catholic mother, Catherine de Medici, orders the assassination of Huguenot Protestant leaders in Paris, setting off an orgy of killing that results in the massacre of tens of thousands of Huguenots all across France.”

“A list of those to be killed was drawn up, headed by the Protestant Admiral Gaspard deColigny, who was brutally beaten and thrown out of his bedroom window just before dawn on August 24. Once the killing started, mobs of Catholic Parisians, apparently overcome with bloodlust, began a general massacre of Huguenots. Charles issued a royal order on August 25 to halt the killing, but his pleas went unheeded as the massacres spread. Mass slaughters continued into October, reaching the provinces of Rouen, Lyon, Bourges, Bourdeaux, and Orleans. An estimated 3,000 French Protestants were killed in Paris, and as many as 70,000 in all of France. The massacre of Saint Bartholomew’s Day marked the resumption of religious civil war in France.”


RayB said...

"After the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacres of Huguenots in France in 1572, Pope Gregory celebrated a Te Deum mass." Three frescoes in the Sala Regia Palace of the Vatican depicting the events were painted by Giorgio Vasari, and a commemorative medal was issued with Gregory's portrait and on the obverse a chastising angel, sword in hand and the legend UGONOTTORUM STRAGES ("Massacre of the Huguenots")."

Sounds like radical Islam. Just imagine the murder of over 70,000 people (some estimates are as high as 100,000). Their crime? They opposed the authority of the Pope and held to the real supreme authority of Jesus Christ and His Word.

Marko said...

We could spend days and weeks and months continuing to list the past injustices of both Catholics and Protestants. What purpose does it serve here? None. It hinders in the uniting against a common, New Age, revolutionary, occultic, evil enemy. Maybe uniting is too strong a word for you. Cooperating, then?

God will straighten it all out, as 11:05 AM said.

We will be held accountable for every idle word while here. And accusatory remarks? Well, if they are hurled at true brothers and sisters in Christ by God's reckoning (which is all that really counts), then you are in the same company as the "accuser of the brethren" spoken of in the Bible, yes?

Bad company to be found in, I would say.

Anonymous said...

Posted 8Feb 4pm Detriot time

Hi all,

I have just come off the phone from Constance and she asked me to advise everyone that her main computer has crashed.
Fortunately it is under a service contract but it will be away for repair for around 7-10 days.
Constance would be gratefull for your prayers on the matter as you can all well imagine getting it back in perfect working order with all of its data intact as soon as possible is very important.

God bless,
Grant

RayB said...

Marko ...

You would have had an awful time with the Apostle Paul had you been alive back then. However, it appears you would have done just fine in the company of the Pharisees. That is precisely what the Roman Catholic Church represents today ... a Pharisee system of works that denies the ONE and ONLY sacrifice on the cross (as in NEVER to be repeated again ... i.e. "the Sacrifice of the Mass). If you truly know the truth ... and LOVE the truth (i.e. Jesus Christ John 14:6) you will be willing to defend that truth.

By the way, the Roman Catholic Church, with their false "gospel," has led more people to hell than any other religious institution in history. The New Age Movement is a joke compared to the destruction wrought by the RCC.

Christine Erikson (aka Justina) said...

RayB

the works Paul talks about are works of the Torah - circumcision, Sabbath keeping,
new moon observing, food laws, mosaic holy days. Explicitly. The entire 25th chapter of Matthew shows we are going to be judged by our works (or lack of works)when Jesus judges us. If we don't quit sinning and confess and forsake sins we fall into, why expect Jesus to apply His one time sacrifice to us and not punish us as HE WARNS HE WILL, more "stripes" if you knew better and fewer if you didn't know better.

stripes are the marks a lash leaves on skin. as in getting flogged.

The Mass does not re sacrifice Christ, it draws on the one time sacrifice. It was precisely fear this re sacrificing idea would kick in, that led to the Eucharistic
controversy you or someone wrongly stated was the start of the idea of the Mass back in the early Middle Ages. NO. both sides took the real presence for granted. The issue was, is it is the same flesh as when Christ was on the Cross or a glorified different kind of post Resurrection flesh that is present in the Eucharist?

Ignatius of Antioch died c. AD 98 so his life overlapped that of the Apostle John, making the claim John taught him credible. Ignatius also represented the teaching that Peter left in Antioch, when he was bishop there.

Ignatius said the REAL flesh and blood of Christ is in the Eucharist. Context was denouncing some heretics who denied this, who also denied Christ's full divinity.

RayB, you don't represent the early church. neither did the Reformers except maybe to some extent Luther. And you are so entranced with hatred of "Rome" that you can't see what The Bible says but insist it doesn't mean what it says.

As for Eschatology, futurism wasn't invented by that Jesuit. It was a change from the amillennialism of RC post Augustine, but the writers of the first several centuries especially in the east were essentially futurists, though EO fell into an
amillennial stance because of the influence of reaction against Montanism and possibly due to Origen's influence. (preterism is out of the question.)

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