Saturday, December 19, 2015

Fanatic for Jesus: 'Common Ground' Between Theosophists and Christians?

Fanatic for Jesus: 'Common Ground' Between Theosophists and Christians?
Only catch your show here and there Constance. I appreciate you sharing all your research and hard work. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you. By the way, take mega doses of Vitamin C (1000 mg several times a day) to get rid of your cold. God Bless.

PS. Did you hear that New Ager, Maurice Strong passed away?
Dear 11:48 am

Thanks for listening to my program this morning. I started with the Vitamin C at about 2 am this morning. I know it helps to shorten the cold as well as help with teeth and gums!

Old Man of the Sky,

I think you’ll find some of this website’s materials to be of interest. Bear in mind it is an interfaith forum but it does appear to have some good articles. Some of the posts are reprints from other publications.

Here are some excerpts from some of the more interesting articles.

Why Washington’s War on Terror Failed – by Patrick Cockburn

“There are extraordinary elements in the present U.S. policy in Iraq and Syria that are attracting surprisingly little attention. In Iraq, the U.S. is carrying out air strikes and sending in advisers and trainers to help beat back the advance of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (better known as ISIS) on the Kurdish capital, Erbil. The U.S. would presumably do the same if ISIS surrounds or attacks Baghdad. But in Syria, Washington’s policy is the exact opposite: there the main opponent of ISIS is the Syrian government and the Syrian Kurds in their northern enclaves. Both are under attack from ISIS, which has taken about a third of the country, including most of its oil and gas production facilities.

“But U.S., Western European, Saudi, and Arab Gulf policy is to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad, which happens to be the policy of ISIS and other jihadis in Syria. If Assad goes, then ISIS will be the beneficiary, since it is either defeating or absorbing the rest of the Syrian armed opposition. There is a pretense in Washington and elsewhere that there exists a “moderate” Syrian opposition being helped by the U.S., Qatar, Turkey, and the Saudis. It is, however, weak and getting more so by the day. Soon the new caliphate may stretch from the Iranian border to the Mediterranean and the only force that can possibly stop this from happening is the Syrian army.

“The reality of U.S. policy is to support the government of Iraq, but not Syria, against ISIS…

“Jihadi groups ideologically close to al-Qa‘ida have been relabeled as moderate if their actions are deemed supportive of U.S. policy aims.

“The “war on terror” has failed because it did not target the jihadi movement as a whole and, above all, was not aimed at Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, the two countries that fostered jihadism as a creed and a movement. The U.S. did not do so because these countries were important American allies whom it did not want to offend.”

The Paradox in Saudi Arabia’s Denunciation of Its Own Offshoot, Islamic State

“What an irony that Saudi Arabia’s clerics now condemn the violence of the IS, branding their own Wahabbi brethren as ‘Kharjis’. This has been a Muslim practice for the past many centuries to condemn any extremists one dislikes as ‘Kharjis’ instead of addressing the real root cause of extremism. Kharjis as a school of Islamic thought ceased to have any palpable presence hundreds of years ago. The fountainhead of extremism, in the Muslim world, for the past many decades has not been Kharjism, instead it has unmistakably been Wahabbism and its adjuncts such as Deobandism, Salafism etc. Saudi Arabia has been the official sponsor of Wahabbism – the extremist thought from which all jihadist militancy now pours forth. Saudi Arabia and its Wahabbism’s militant Islamic doctrines constitute a clear and present danger to the Middle East and to the entire world…”
Old Man of the Sky,

My last post is related to an entry you made in the previous thread so I'm bringing it forward.

Anonymous oldmanoftheski said...
Anon 10:56,

Certainly the powers that be in Washington thought arming the enemies of Assad was a good idea, and some may have thought that creating a counter balance to Shia Iran was worth the risk. However, the ISIS beast is not simply some Madison Avenue creation. It reflects Islam at it's most basic, cruel, and evil. Have you noticed the positive press the House of Saud is getting lately? Coincidence? The Saudis are trying to look moderate, eh? Yet it is Saudi Wahabbism at its most primitive that ISIS reveals. They may have had some help from Washington to get going, but ISIS is no longer under human control

It seems within the Christian world we have some who are just useful idiots, and dialogue endlessly with Muslims who just happen to belong to organizations back by the Muslim Brotherhood etc. There are probably those that are working on the side of the globalists deliberately to bring false unity and those who attack openly Islam which then victimizes Islam, and plays into the agenda of islamization.

As believers in the God of the Bible, we are not called to dialog, we are called to simply proclaim the good news. Islam is a system that uses religion for political domination. There are concepts in Islam that many are not aware of for example waqf. That means when a Muslim puts their foot on a Land it is theirs. It is their religious duty to defend it. There are many Muslims, the majority who are not really practicing all the tenets of Islam and apply Sharia law, but as the divide grows and as our Western nations continue to bomb their nations and displace citizens and create refugee crisis, this problem of the "Clash of Civilizations" will get worse because when a critical mass is reached, the civilization really does change. Islam is 1/4 of the world population, so demographically this is important.

This endless dialog appears to be the strategy of the globalists, the theosophists, the UN which of course has a huge voting block of Muslim nations, including Saudi Arabia who is now heading the UN Human Rights Council, while they hold the record for head-cutting.

As believers, I don't think we should insult Muslims, because they are not the problem Islam is and as such they are blind. At the same time, we should not try to dialog with any religion, rather proclaim ours and testify to Jesus' goodness in our lives and pray. Getting involved on a political level in something that is being used to create chaos and confusion and then NWO makes Christians unwitting or willing participants in the game of the occult global agenda, which will create a lot of death and destruction.

As for initiatives like Common Ground, Common Word, and all the rest I think we have to consider some participate by ignorance and some are definitely infiltrators, and on the side of the theosophists. Remember Alice Bailey didn't really care if people participated in the "Plan" on purpose or not, just so long as they participated and arrived at a critical mass. It's fairly clear that the church has been infiltrated on many levels. In the last days there will be delusion and apostasy.
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For those seduced by the myth of a continuing church of the apostles from antiquity to baptists etc. written by a baptist:
"MEDIEVAL GNOSIS: THE BOGOMILS" by Judith Mann. They denied the most critical central points of the faith.

"In the footnotes, Cornwell is cited 13 times out of 27" Susanna, you missed one. That's FOURTEEN TIMES OUT OF 27. ;)

CONTRA PAGAN CHRISTIANITY by Albert McIlhenny totally destroys Viola's arguments. Shows how Frank Viola and whoever Barna MISQUOTE their sources and in general either are historically ignorant or deceptively mishandle information. (off hand I'd say though they are not exactly New Age they are favoring a setup that can easily morph that way. The author raises the question of just what they do believe about Jesus themselves this not being clear.)

FOR THOSE WANTING TO UNDERSTAND THE NEW AGE MOVMENT THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT Beware! The New Age Movement Is More Than Self-Indulgent Silliness A Comprehensive Exposé of The New Age Movement by Lee Penn

"King Henry burned or beheaded or disemboweled Anabaptists, monks and bishops. (Hughes, 181-182) Let’s hear some more gruesome details by one who saw it. These heretics were, “hanged until partially conscious. Then their bellies were cut open, their intestines wrenched out and tossed on a fire, and their hearts ripped out
by hand. The bodies were beheaded and quartered, and the pieces were posted at various locations throughout England. As the executioner slit open his belly, John Houghton, prior of the London Carthusian monastery, said, "O most holy Jesus, have mercy upon me in this hour." This was the punishment for treason in sixteenth-
century England. Their crime? Refusal to recognize "the king, our sovereign, to be the supreme head of the Church of England afore the Apostles of Christ's Church." Oh about 318 of them.... During England’s “Pilgrimage of Grace” the King suppressed those darned Catholic revolts, killing as many as 4000." Waldensians started the unbiblical idea antichrist is a system not an individual. This produced the modern notions of an "antichrist system" or "beast system." (not that such systems couldn't be used by the antichrist or aren't part of an effort to bring him about, but the Bible TELLS US NOTHING about the economics or type of government, whether a one man dictatorship, hereditary monarchy effort, or an allegedly representative democracy with no one who disagrees with the antichrist being allowed to vote, and the economics could be laissez faire free market captialism, extreme collectivism,
socialism or whatever, the only proviso is that it cannot be legally engaged by someone who hasn't worshipped the antichrist and received his mark.)

Croatian Nazi persecution didn't keep Serbia from helping Nazis, Belgrade was the first Balkan city declared Judenfrei. But MORE Orthodox Bulgaria lost almost none, the king faced down Hitler in person. Situations in the Balkans and Greece are complicated by Orthodoxy's failure to eradicate pagan practices. blood feuds exist now in backwater vilages. the place is a mess, always was. RC was better at discipline of believers, though not much and folk traditions of that open doors to the occult are present which goes far to explain the Croatians shocking even the Germans, and the Serbs being the worst of atrocity committers in the 1990s which Patriarch Pavle admitted. Blood swapping brotherhood rituals and murder of the aged ill by the official village designated euthanizer usually by an old woman, have thankfully died out one incident was late enough into the 20th century to get noted by some documentary. This is dismissed by serbian self worshipping PR spinners as "myth" but was obviously real. The Balkans are haunted as hell and the infamous
scholomanse operated out of some portal in a cave by a lake in Romania.

TO THE RABID POSTER OF POPE IS ANTICHRIST NONSENSE: destroys the arguments of an anti RC book link posted here a few months ago.
Irenaeus said that many names added up to 666 and you can't assume any are right, read his words you posted.

YOUR NUMBER SYSTEM REMOVES JESUS CHRIST FROM DANIEL'S 70 WEEKS which predicted either His birth or start of His public ministry to the year! ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL POINTERS TO JESUS AS MESSIAH IN THE OT! Also the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Which was why Daniel was demoted from prophets (where Josephus listed him)
to mere writings considered less authoritative in AD 90 at Jamnia.

REVELATION DOESN'T SAY 1260 YEARS, it says a time times and a half, which is 1260 days which is THREE AND A HALF YEARS. you can't believe in the stuff you post and have a Great Tribulation other than that you think popery did (the body count is nothing like you say unless you add extreme blaspheming heretics like the gnostic albigensians and bogomils and devil worshippers and add those killed in war) your
eschatology conflicts with this blog's purpose, studying New Age as precursor to the antichrist. there is direct conflict between your system and Biblical eschatology, and compatible with MSOG cults and other cults.
Also you assume the only falling away is from protestantism the supposed only real church. more like protestantism itself is part of the falling away, an escalation after Rome fell away from the rest of the church in AD 1054, but stalled, because the bible focus led people from greed and mayhem to decency and a Jesus focus. The falling away would logically given the times it was stated be about falling away from ANY focus on Jesus.

AND YOU DEFINE "A MAN" by a pagan poem about AN INDIVIDUAL who founded the Latins, so destroys your argument. the bible speaks of the antichrist as an individual.NOT A SYSTEM OR ORGANIZATION. your system flails around seeking to find something to use and contradicts itself, grabbing at everything your RC dates add up to 5040.

THE FOUR BEASTS CANNOT BE ANCIENT OR INCL. ROME BECAUSE THE ANGEL SAID FOUR WOULD ARISE AFTER DANIEL'S TIME, AND DANIEL LIVED in the time of the first so it should have been three but the angel said four. based on Chris White's The Contemporaneous Beast View on youtube.
Christine,2:36 A.M.

Re: "In the footnotes, Cornwell is cited 13 times out of 27" Susanna, you missed one. That's FOURTEEN TIMES OUT OF 27. ;)

Thank you, Christine. I cheerfully stand corrected. ;-)
While we must be wary at all times at attempts to unify the world's religions into one "super-religion", shouldn't we also recognize that if such a thing really gains momentum, and in fact becomes something with real power over the people of the world, there will, out of necessity, be a "unifying" of those who are true believers?

What does that look like?

Will it be a remnant who withdraw from each of their "denominations" to work together as one against the heresy of the World Religion?

We have here on this blog representatives from the Jewish, Catholic and Protestant faiths. Could there ever be an "anti World Church" church that will cooperate in some kind of underground or otherwise "ostracized-from-humanity" framework? Or will there just be separate islands of resistance, with each group still hanging onto the truths that they believe form the central basis of their faith, pretty much like it is now?

What do the rest of you think? In the religious world, will the enemy of my enemy become my friend?

"John said to him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name,[a] and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.” But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. For the one who is not against us is for us. For truly, I say to you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ will by no means lose his reward." (Mark 9:38-40, ESV)

Contrast that, of course, to this:

"On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’" (Matt. 7:22-23, ESV)

Jesus looks at the heart.... if the Social Justice Warriors are in it for themselves, or to make the world better, or to do anything except bring the TRUE message of Jesus to a lost world, then their work will be judged appropriately.

So now the blog gets serial angry pounces from cristine???
(Where did you get the notion that there is a need for makeup postings?)

"As believers in the God of the Bible, we are not called to dialog, we are called to simply proclaim the good news." excellent point. couldn't be put better."

So how about you practice that yourself and skip all the extra dialogue, since you think that a good idea?
You come across very angry.

RE:Could there ever be an "anti World Church" church that will cooperate in some kind of underground or otherwise "ostracized-from-humanity" framework?

The late Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen suggested that this might be the case. He said that there would be "two mystical bodies."

The true church - including all Christian denominations who do not sever Christ and believe that Jesus Christ is truly God and truly Man,(test of the Antichrist) that He was born of the Virgin Mary, that he died on the Cross to redeem us from our sins, rose from the dead on the Third day and sits at the right hand of the Father from whence He will come to judge the living and the dead.....and His kingdom will have no end - is the "mystical body of Christ."

The false church, according the Archbishop Sheen, is the diabolical "mystical body of satan"

The Antichrist will not be so called; otherwise he would have no followers. He will not wear red tights, nor vomit sulphur, nor carry a trident nor wave an arrowed tail as Mephistopheles in Faust. This masquerade has helped the Devil convince men that he does not exist. When no man recognizes, the more power he exercises. God has defined Himself as "I am Who am," and the Devil as "I am who am not."
Nowhere in Sacred Scripture do we find warrant for the popular myth of the Devil as a buffoon who is dressed like the first "red." Rather is he described as an angel fallen from heaven, as "the Prince of this world," whose business it is to tell us that there is no other world. His logic is simple: if there is no heaven there is no hell; if there is no hell, then there is no sin; if there is no sin, then there is no judge, and if there is no judgment then evil is good and good is evil. But above all these descriptions, Our Lord tells us that he will be so much like Himself that he would deceive even the elect--and certainly no devil ever seen in picture books could deceive even the elect. How will he come in this new age to win followers to his religion?
The pre-Communist Russian belief is that he will come disguised as the Great Humanitarian; he will talk peace, prosperity and plenty not as means to lead us to God, but as ends in themselves. . . .
. . . The third temptation in which Satan asked Christ to adore him and all the kingdoms of the world would be His, will become the temptation to have a new religion without a Cross, a liturgy without a world to come, a religion to destroy a religion, or a politics which is a religion--one that renders unto Caesar even the things that are God's.
In the midst of all his seeming love for humanity and his glib talk of freedom and equality, he will have one great secret which he will tell to no one: he will not believe in God. Because his religion will be brotherhood without the fatherhood of God, he will deceive even the elect. He will set up a counterchurch which will be the ape of the Church, because he, the Devil, is the ape of God. It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content. It will be a mystical body of the Antichrist that will in all externals resemble the mystical body of Christ. . . .
. . . But the twentieth century will join the counterchurch because it claims to be infallible when its visible head speaks ex cathedra from Moscow on the subject of economics and politics, and as chief shepherd of world communism.

(Fulton J. Sheen, Communism and the Conscience of the West [Bobbs-Merril Company, Indianapolis, 1948], pp. 24-25)



Recently, I watched a chilling mini-series on the Sci-fi channel entitled Childhood's End based on Arthur C. Clark's novel by the same name.

Here is a recap of all three episodes.

I think you can watch the episodes at the following links.

If ever there was a film that epitomized certain aspects of the New Age Movement, this film was it!!! If ever there was a cautionary tale!!!

Always beware the promise of a better world. There is always a price to pay for Utopia. Do not swallow the bait. Remember there is always free cheese in a mousetrap. Do not spend your time making this world a better place without first making sure you are going to the Best Place. The antichrist always offers us this world. He offered Christ himself all the kingdoms of this world. He does the same to us. He offers a wonderful world…one without God and his Son Christ the King....

.....“The Ape of God” what a phrase! It reminds me of The Last Battle by C.S.Lewis in which an ape named Shift finds an old lion skin and persuades a stupid donkey named Puzzle to dress up as Aslan. The faithful Narnians are fooled by Shift and Puzzle because they had already given in and forgotten about Aslan. They had already compromised, so when the anti Aslan appeared they fell down before him.

P.S. Marko

Here is the description of the book CHILDHOOD'S END which was recently aired as a mini-series on the Sci-fi Channel.

Childhood's End is a 1953 science fiction novel by the British author Arthur C. Clarke. The story follows the peaceful alien invasion[1] of Earth by the mysterious Overlords, whose arrival begins decades of apparent utopia under indirect alien rule, at the cost of human identity and culture.

Clarke's idea for the book began with his short story "Guardian Angel" (1946), which he expanded into a novel in 1952, incorporating it as the first part of the book, "Earth and the Overlords". Completed and published in 1953, Childhood's End sold out its first printing, received good reviews, and became Clarke's first successful novel. The book is often regarded by both readers and critics as Clarke's best novel, and is described as "a classic of alien literature". Along with The Songs of Distant Earth (1986), Clarke considered Childhood's End one of his favourite own novels.[4] The novel was nominated for the Retro Hugo Award for Best Novel in 2004.

Several attempts to adapt the novel into a film or miniseries have been made with varying levels of success. Director Stanley Kubrick expressed interest in the 1960s, but collaborated with Clarke on 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) instead. The novel's theme of transcendent evolution also appears in Clarke's Space Odyssey series, and is attributed to the influence of British author Olaf Stapledon. In 1997, the BBC produced a two-hour radio dramatization of Childhood's End that was adapted by Tony Mulholland. In 2014, the Syfy Channel announced they were producing a three-part, six-hour television mini-series of Childhood's End, which was broadcast on December 14–16 2015. entire article...

In the film, the children are described as "evolving into gods."
The film Childhood's End definitely embodies the kind of paranormal capabilities that are the objects of research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences whose president was once Willis Harman - described in the article which is the topic of this thread as a "Luciferian theosophist" and "metaphysical futurist."

That is why the airing of CHILDHOOD'S END just this past week almost seems providential. CHILDHOOD'S END REPRESENTS THE TEACHINGS OF ALL TRUE LUCIFERIANS

According to Clarke's narrative, the "big reveal" that these beings — historically known as the devil and his angels — were in fact always our benefactors and saviors does not lead to chaos but rather to technological and spiritual utopia, quickly resulting in the dissolution of all previously existing religions.

This has been the consistent message of the so-called “aliens” as well as the true Luciferians. Why would mere alien intelligences travel light years just to tell us Christianity is wrong?

Knowledge, Technology and Power

The stated goal of the "noetic sciences " is the "bridging of science and magic." Arthur C. Clark is quoted in the following article.

Noetic Science – Bridging Science and Magic!!

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic“, once said Arthur C. Clarke, the noted science fiction writer......

.....The Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) was established for the same reason of bridging modern science and esoteric science. INOS was founded 1973 by none other than Edgar Mitchell, the famous astronaut who participated in the Apollo 14 space mission. The mission statement of INOS stands as, “Broadening our knowledge of the nature and potentials of mind and consciousness and applying that knowledge to enhancing human well-being and the quality of life on the planet.”

Over three decades, INOS has conducted various projects and research involving mind-body interactions and healing, bioenergetics, extended human capacities such as precognition, ESP (Extra Sensory Perception) and gut feelings, and claims of reincarnation. These projects have been carried out in association with various bodies such as The University of California, Stanford University, The United Nations, California Pacific Medical Center and many more.....
read entire article...

Clarke's bias against theism (belief in God) is revealed early on in the book by the remarks of one of his characters:

“Science is the only religion of mankind.” and
“Science can destroy religion by ignoring it as well as by disproving its tenets. No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, the nonexistence of Zeus or Thor, but they have few followers now.” Childhood's End

Given Clarke's proposal that psychic powers, supermind and all such stuff, constitute the next step in evolution, one wonders how seriously to take the dicta in the quotes above. Much more faith is required to believe in supernatural psychic powers than to believe in God and His only begotten Son. But, as G.K. Chesterton aptly put it:

"It’s the first effect of not believing in God that you lose your common sense." G.K. Chesterton, Fr. Brown in The Oracle of the Dog
Lol, are we are supposed to take you seriously, Mary Christine Erikson? Chakras, and cities on Mars , Nibiru, Aliens, ether stuff, and the list of your mad mumblings drearily goes on and on and on! Then there's your so-called resident seer: a witch aka medium fortune teller who had more than dabbled in Satanism (according to you) and with whom you live out of wedlock and sleep with (playing the harlot)!

You are the last person any reasonable person here would listen to in any credible way at all!

Vile spirit! Keep taking the medicine (largactyl?) and repent!
Well Christine drove Dorothy away with the vile things she said to her! Then we almost lost Rich in Medford because of her! Why isn't she banned already?
Thanks for the links Rich of Medford. FYI, it is old-man-of-the-SKI, not sky. Or just plain omots for short.
My profound apologies to all -- I've been literally sick in bed most of the weekend. Had to go to bed with extreme cold symptoms right after finishing Saturday's radio program which was important -- My critique of Wheaton College and its seeming diligence for the faith vis a vis Moslems vs. its winking at Theosophy and Anthroposophy over the years. I'm still quite under the weather -- a distressing thing this close to Christmas!


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I don't disagree with all of Christine's postings here today, but I do hope she will refrain from back and forth name insults to other posters, watch her length to conform to what I suggested to here before and give sources and references where possible. That is also not to say I agree with all of Christine's postings here today. Now, back to my sick bed!

Disagreeing without insults would be welcome.

Hoping you will be back to good health soon, Constance.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Some food for thought...

The following is a quote from an article about Gnosticism. It's located at

But [Jehovah] seeing the newly made creation [of Adam and Eve] soar higher and higher because of the [infused] spiritual light from Sophia [an emanation of the true God who created Jehovah], Ialdabaoth [or Jehovah] flies into a rage of jealousy. Angrily staring into the deep abyss of matter, his image is reflected back to him and there arises a serpent with eyes flashing red. It is Satan, the Ophiomorphosn (having the form of a serpent), an embodiment of envy and cunning. After this Ialdabaoth encases his creations, symbolized in Adam and Eve, in mud to keep them closely tied to the earth. He builds for them the Garden of Paradise, giving them all of the gifts therein. But lest they taste death, he forbids them to eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Sophia-Achamoth, from her kingdom above, is always watching over and protecting humanity. Seeing the world that Ialdabaoth [or Jehovah] has fashioned, she sends her own serpent, the Ophis or Agathodaemon (a divine instructor), who induces Adam and Eve to taste of the forbidden fruit of knowledge. Though they are cast from the Garden of Eden, and do indeed learn the sorrow of death, the divine wisdom stays with them through every trial of worldly life.

In the final act, after watching mankind struggle through aeons of pain and conflict, constantly pursued by Ialdabaoth's cunning, Sophia-Achamoth begs her mother, Sophia the Elder, to send the Christ to help humanity in its unending torment. It is through his crucifixion and resurrection that the kingdom of matter is finally subdued and Ialdabaoth's reign of blindness comes to an end. From his throne in the heavens the Christ continues to reign, collecting all of the souls who have triumphed like him, each one freeing a portion of light encased in the kingdom of matter.
I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Thanks, Susanna, for all the info on Childhood's End. (I'll read it all in-depth later...just skimmed it for now.) I've always considered it to be very New Age, and a prime example of the anti-Christian or Humanism bias of much of Science Fiction, which is something I struggle with, because I've always been a big SciFi fan! That's almost like saying I'm a big baseball fan, except for the part about hitting a ball with a bat.... :^)

Thanks also for the reminder that I really need to get a copy of Fulton J. Sheen's "Communism and the Conscience of the West".


Here's an article that I'm sure will generate some interesting comments here. I haven't read it yet, but found it shared by some friends on Facebook. It's about Hillsong Church and was published in GQ Magazine (!):


You are welcome. If you want to cleanse your Sci-fi intellectual palate, read C.S. Lewis science fiction trilogy......where the Christians win!

The "Over Mind" and "Collective Conscousness" into which the children are "evolving" in CHILDHOOD'S END is redolent of the gnostic "Pleroma" - a.k.a. the "Totality of divine powers."

In addition to the actual documents from the Hag Hamaddi Library, you can also get a detailed account of the 2nd-century gnostic sects from the writings of St. Irenaeus who was a bishop of Lyon. He was the disciple of Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna, who in turn was a disciple of the Apostle John the Evangelist.



I don't know anything about Hillsong Church, but they profess belief in Jesus Christ, offer water baptism, and claim that theirs is a Christ-centered Church. Here is a link to Hillsong Church's website.

from 2:32 AM post

"RICH, my original remark about baiting was about you plural not you singular yourself and I should have clarified that I apologize for any misunderstanding I created by sloppy phrasing."

Where is your apology to all the rest of us whom you have treated poorly???
Why not start off on the right foot from here on??????
Christine. Rich Peterson always uses his ID, not anonymous ("anonymice") that you are accusing. You went off on him anyway.
Your explanation doesn't make sense, just like the reason you got mad at him to begin with.
You are such an offensive character, Christine. You say you're a Christian but where's the evidence? It has to be said!
Matthew 7

A Tree and Its Fruit

15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

[Infowolf AKA Christine Erikson and her resident seer spring to mind here!]

16“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18“A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20“So then, you will know them by their fruits.
"reject the old story and form a new story" Brian MCLaren

Carl Teichrib reports.

Olaf Stapledon was a far greater writer than Arthur C Clarke; his books Last and First Men and Starmaker are superb imaginative writing. They must be taken as fiction rather than philosophy, however, in view of their content. Stapledon appears to have been a dualist and he once wrote a pair of poems, one hymning God and the other hymning Satan. CS Lewis said that he admired Stapledon's talent as much as he deplored his philosophy.



Thank you for the information re: Stapledon. I am going to check him out further.

Many people try to equate orthodox Christian dualism with the dualism of the gnostics. This is because they do not know the difference between ethical dualism and cosmic dualism. Many Gnostics embrace cosmic dualism.

After his dramatic conversion, Augustine, who was a Manichaean dualist "hearer" once wrote something very profound in one of his works. Even C.S. Lewis once alluded to it.

Even though I cannot recall the particular work at this moment, I have never forgotten the gist of what Augustine said, even though it has been many years since I read it.

In this work, Augustine wrote that if a person TRULY understands the meaning of the most sacred name of God - the one God revealed to Moses atop Mount Horeb - (I AM WHO AM/HE WHO IS ) - he could never be a dualist. Because the most sacred name of God is absolute, self-existent, uncreated BEING existing in the absolute eternal NOW.

The sheer "opposite" of absolute, self-existent, uncreated BEING would necessarily have to be absolute, self-existent, uncreated NOTHING. Theologically and philosophically this reveals the gnostic account of "reality" to be a reductio ad absurdum.

There is only room for ONE at the top.
Jesus is LORD above all others--anything, anyone.
Anonymous 12:38

Re:There is only room for ONE at the top.
Jesus is LORD above all others--anything, anyone.

Absolutely correct! In the Septuagint Old Testament canon, the Greek equivalent for Yahweh, Adonai and Shaddai is "KYRIOS." ( LORD )

In the New Testament, Jesus is frequently referred to as "KYRIOS" most especially by St. Paul.

Paul, who had formerly been a zealous Pharisee, and studied at the feet of the great rabbi Gamaliel, would have known exactly the implication of referring to Jesus as "KYRIOS." It was the equivalent of calling Jesus GOD......especially because its Hebrew equivalents - most especially "Yahweh" - were never used to refer to anyone BUT God.

Not only that, but it was Jesus Himself who declared in John 8:58 "Before Abraham came to be, I AM." On account of this the Pharisees wanted to stone Him because He had just indicated that He was God.
P.S. Physicist,

I just wanted to add that per a previous discussion we had, you correctly indicated that the eternal NOW indicated by Yahweh includes and contains all time and "Yahweh" read to mean he who will be, is, and has been". The "Alpha and the Omega."

In His human nature Jesus would have been subject to becoming. But not in His divine nature. In His divine Nature, HE IS.

I just wanted to be careful not to give priority to "becoming" over BEING when speaking of God as the gnostics and modernists do. A "god" who, in his divine essence, "becomes" is not God.
So right to make that distinction, as you did Susanna, in your 3:48 PM post:)
Thanks for what you've written. The Truth about our LORD JESUS is so beautiful. He is God alone.

Oh, that every heart would be a "personal Bethlehem" and make room for the King of Glory.
This idea of "becoming" rather than "being" reminded me of a term: Process Theology.

I think Process Theology, based on a very brief glance at some online definitions, is very much tied in with the New Age, and with the idea of the "dual nature" of God. That is, God is eternal and unchanging, while at the same time adapting along with the universe He created as it evolves into something different or "better". This idea supports the notion that God's initial creation wasn't "perfect", and that it is always open to improvements. Or perhaps that the definition of a perfect creation includes one that can constantly change. Kind of a "cosmic continuous improvement" program.

Without checking, I'd be willing to bet that Craig has written on the topic of Process Theology....

RE: This idea of "becoming" rather than "being" reminded me of a term: Process Theology.

BINGO! It is only called "theology" because it is form of "evolutionary pantheism."



I would also be willing to bet Craig has had some interesting things to say on the topic of Process Theology.
The ISIS situation from a prophetic perspective.

I tend to agree with Joel Richardson that Daniel 8 is describing the attempt by Iran to overtake the middle east by force only to be eventually turned back by Turkey which may be what's now in play - the early stages. The Russian advancement in the middle east may embolden Iran to make the move. This is not the lead-up to Ezekiel 38 -39.

Islam will play a much, much more important role in end-time prophecy, especially as it relates to Daniel's 70th week, than many think.

For more on this issue of Iran's move against the Middle East related to Daniel 8, see Joel Richardson's brief video presentation: Then view his other brief presentations related to this topic. Excellent, thoughtful, biblically-based material.

Dave in CA
So nice and quiet without MiCE Aka Infowolf loitering and insulting! Is that fresh air I smell? It is! Ahhhh, lovely!

They're busy...
how we got Christmas on Dec. 25

If I understood right, paul on my blog didn't believe the Nazi origins of the EU, said he'd pass on doing such research. Also suggested Sherry Shriner would be tops with me or something like that. There is no similarity between us. to say there is is like saying that two people who believe the existence of Nazi Germany, one of who supports the other opposes it, believe the same thing. Some details on her ideas I ran into its worse than I thought. the writers of the following may have some problems or the sites may, my concern is that the well sourced information is presented for easy perusal without going through several libraries for years. Nazi origins of the EU whatever the page or author's connections, this summarizes information I already have from other sources. The Hidden Roots of the European Union It has been observed that American presidents are not elected, they are selected, and they are selected by Bilderberg. Everyone who has become president since the mid to late 1970s visited and was approved by Bilderberg, more specifically by David Rockefeller of Chase Manhattan Bank, the biggest drug money launderer in the USA. Maybe anywhere. Not sure of that. Bilderberg was getting sick of Obama not getting us into WW 3 like they wanted for war profiteering motives and figuring the chaos could let them bring more of their idea of “order” out of it. But Obama won the second term anyway.

Nazis in the attic all kinds of dirt on everybody incl. USA leaders of business and politics before during and after WW 2 also called Shadow of the Swastika I have only read a couple of articles at this site it looks good. 1600 Nazi scientists, soldiers, war criminals adopted by USA.
Just so you know, Christine;
The Paul on your blog, is not me, the paul on this blog.
I've had about all of you that I need, thanks.
A peaceful and joyful Christmas to you, Constance (and get well soon) and to all posters on this forum.

I tried to write 'Adeste fideles!' But my spell check put 'Adware Fiddles' instead. Sign of the times!
paul 7:08 AM:

"Just so you know, Christine;...
I've had about all of you that I need, thanks."

Haven't we all!
Typical wrong response on several levels, Miss Erikson.
Wrong Paul. Wrong blog.

You are better off over in your own territory @ the wolf's den or whatever you call it. Be as redundant as you want over there.
3:30 PM Judas knew that Jesus was God. Kiss Kiss darling.

this video by CATHOLIC ANSWERS 1 is used by FANATIC FOR JESUS to debunk SDA which has been fully infiltrated by the jesuits complete with a counterfeit bible that puts Whites writings ABOVE the BIBLE

Nice try Constance. LOL!! ..ahh works of iniquity.

...and the people who do believe, understand and articulate what we are doing will be targets...
Anonymous 11:20 AM

"Typical wrong response on several levels, Miss Erikson.
Wrong Paul. Wrong blog."

How deluded can she get?! Perhaps she should lay off the Sherry this Christmas and stick to her meds?

"You are better off over in your own territory @ the wolf's den or whatever you call it. Be as redundant as you want over there."

And as repugnant!
Vatican Representative Endorses UN Sustainable Development Goals, “Verbatim”
Draws closer to the UN, sharing flags.
Matthew 25:31-46King James Version (KJV)

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
8:12 PM thank you for that post. Stirred me up to make a contribution.

11:20 am and 1:02 pm,
the paul comment regardless the information is important. the paul at my blog uses the small p format this paul does, feel free to go to and scroll down to comments and judge for yourself. the first
post is "paul December 15, 2015 at 7:43 AM


Sorry for having been tough at points but we're all exacerbated with you over at Constance's. Do the Christian thing for us and yourself but most of all for Constance's sake, and don't come back.

Thanks, Paul." the only time he remembers to sign it with a capital P the rest unsigned. assuming that is another "paul" the following ones are unsigned and begin
with small p paul starting with "paul December 15, 2015 at 11:17 AM

Yawn!You're the one causing worthwhile bloggers such as Rich in Medford to leave with your constant strawmen, ad hominems, et al! Give us all a break and do the decent thing: don't come back so we can all breathe freely again!

Bye." and the conversation continues from there. Deluded? more like a reasonable conclusion. "both" pauls address me as if used to talking to me here.
(as I pointed out, I don't do strawmen I hit at the core of issues and ad hominem is hardly relevant either I notice patterns of behavior.)
Merry Christmas and a happy, safe and godly New YEar to you anyway, and may God
forgive your sins of spirit. (don't know if any sins of the flesh are in play or not.)
As for the remark from someone else about "playing the harlot" I don't have sex with the guy at issue, as I have said before, and the Bible doesn't use that term for concubinage. being able to see stuff is not witchcraft or fortune telling or mediumship and the group I helped him get out of and stay out of was sorely hit by
his loss, as VERY FEW can do this. 2 Kings 6:17-20 describes a divinely induced similar condition, no statement as to whether it ended after that. hmmmm. maybe all with the ability descend from this guy?

Same old, different day @ 7:18 PM. (even on a day like today)
More of some of the varied unpleasantness that has been noted before.
Your Merry Christmas, etc., rings very hollow.

how do we know you didn't write and make up all that yourself just to stir the bees up?

You're a NAM agent, aren't you? Here to damage as much as you can with chakras, the resident seer witchcraft, martians, Nibiru and more!

You're fooling nobody here with your nonsense. What's is your bone with Paul anyway? Id trust his posts over yours any day of the week!
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Unlike you, Christine, I am not the lone wolf here, that is you, Ms Infowolf! You are replete with bearing false witness and accusation against fellow posters here: Rich Peterson, Paul, Dorothy, me and others.

Your shame is so great you are wrongly without it.

There are numerous posters calling you out here, I am only part of the flock of sheep aka watchmen here exposing your true nature.

You have no longer crept in here unawares, Ms Erikson! Your pretended bleat is clearly a howl. I am not going to chew the cud with someone aka ms Erikson who clearly is out to tear the flock to pieces if she can! You can take off the sheepskin now, you are fooling nobody here!
I may have erred with Rich but I never bore false witness and I DEFENDED DOROTHY against harassment you people were doing years ago, but then her own attitude problems developed. What lie did I say about her? that she'd been mean to Constance? that was based on Constance's own words. you are liars and evil. it is you who should be ashamed. I strongly suspect half those numerous posters are
just same people multi posting disguise because anonymice.

It doesn't matter how many "call me out" you are all wrong. I have proved that.
I have called you out. And exposed you. some of you take one tack, some another, but you all have serious biblical errors. pre trib or tongues or refusing to face
implications of Ecclesiastes chapter 12 or the demonic twisting of "forgiveness"
and "love" to disempower resistance to unrighteousness and empower the evil.
Some of you are probably mind invading witches.

when you don't have me to attack you attack others. lately one or two are taking on Constance the blog owner. you love to hate. get a life.
Oh what a short and selectively deceptive memory you have Ms Wolf!

You are deluded yet we're not swallowing your lies.

The only one here disrespecting Constance and outstaying her welcome is you. You attacked Dorothy over some book some time back and her Jewishness. Sad!
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Your true filthy colors in full view as always, Chritine.
Christine, I'm FURIOUS at your comments. I've repeatedly asked you not to quarrel with other readers and commenters. Again, here you have done it. I'm deleting that comment. You are not to call my other readers "filty liars or drunk all the time with a bad memory." I'm very disappointed!


Christine may think that we (in another of her "you people" statements above where she paints herself the victim, again) are mean and stupid, but the truth is she attacks people's beliefs and person's characters when we just disagree with her. Good discourse works that out with facts, not fighting. (and that cuts both ways in all fairness)......
Actually, I have prayed for her a good number of times because she refuses to look at her own behavior towards others. Routinely setting us all up for the games she plays, to continue "conversation" (conducted strictly on her own terms) that is a pretense for her next round of quarrels. Well, we can spot patterns in her posts! It is sport for her or she would take the strong hints and actual rebuffs as to how she treats others here.
Her "my way or the highway" mindset is not letting the message this blog was created for get to it's business. A major distraction at best, or an actual thwart at worst.

why don't you ban anonymice? they attack Susanna if I'm not postinbg. anonymice were attacking for years anyone who was productive. the most vicious attacks on me came when I told how to turn things New Agers use against them. some complain of you focusing on the past as if that isn't important to understand the present and see how far things have gone in the direction the past players were aiming for.

I am going to disappear for a while.

JUST WATCH WHAT THEY DO. Susanna will take the brunt of it at first. and they will find someone else. give them time, and it won't be long. I've saved that copy of their libel. I am also deleting my post which will make theirs more visible.
Susanna intelligently and tactfully defends herself. I appreciated your comments in her defense, but I don't appreciate your comments referring to people as "stupid", Grant from New Zealand as a "New Ager" (to the best of my knowledge he is a fine Christian believer), attacking Rich of Medford, etc., etc. I've asked you to refrain from crude language and personal attacks, rambling, etc. You will be much more effective if you do.

"Christine may think that we (in another of her "you people" statements above where she paints herself the victim, again) are mean and stupid, but the truth is she attacks people's beliefs and person's characters when we just disagree with her. "

false. for years you have called me vile and witch and new ager and harlot and liar
and all kinds of things. this is a typical false accusation against me. and you do similar things to Susanna and anyone else when out of targets.

you have misrepresented me, twisted my words, mocked and spewed for YEARS.

I wouldn't tolerate your kind on my blog and I am going to render no anbonymous
posting on general principle.

Constance, I respect and like you and appreciate your work. but if you could think well of Crouch of TBN because he was so nice to you, yet TBN was always pushing a worldly fleshly style and blasphemous heresies, you need to get more streetwise.

Watch Grant. and don't ever let him pray over you. take a look at that man in the
video on his page, there is something really wrong with that guy, well disguised
but I'd expect him to kill or give the order if he could not be caught or even

quoting Bill Hamon isn't excusable on the basis of being Scripturally correct at that point. Hamon and his crew are poison and need to be shut out regardless of
whether they are using the Bible right at some point or not.

Joyner has said that the Christians who don't side with NAR will have to be killed. look for violence to start 2020 to 2028.

and Grant and video creep are abnout tongues. read and from this is this:

"A Baptist Minister Speaks Out

In the course of my research I came across a very revealing article by an AustralianBaptist Minister who, from long experience, saw fit to make the following arrestingobservations:Among the great delusions that are spreading today, there is none moresubtleor more dangerous than modern-day tongues. It has been myexperience over many years to observe that out of the masses of peoplecoming under the influence of the tongues phenomena, very fewescape without serious emotional and spiritual damage to themselvesand their families...I and others have been testing tongues in Australia for some years. Infact, there are men personally known to me who have been testingthemfor over 20 years and none of us has ever yet found a genuinegift of Biblical Tongues. When the spirit using the tongue iscommanded to identify itself, in 95% of cases, a demon answers...Theother 5% have prove[d] to be psychosomatic.[Bryce Hartin,

Today’s Tongues

, 1987, Third Edition 1993]If Pastor Hartin is correct, then this chilling assessment of the ‘tongues’ phenomenonought to be of great concern to all Bible-believing Christians."
Miss Erikson, this is 11:48 AM.
"Good discourse works that out with facts, not fighting. (and that cuts both ways in all fairness)......"

I wrote that but you didn't quote that comment, I notice.
I haven't called you vile or other names. One anonymous has (and that too, is over the top). That is all I've seen.
Unfairness has cut both ways at times----but the one most guilty of what you are accusing happens to be you.
Constance totally made the point. Susanna, and others, have defended themselves and their beliefs and assorted postings, without your brand of ugly brought here. They have this blogs respect. They earned it, whether we all agree or not. They are worth reading. Your posts make people want to take a pass, as Rich of Medford has done for quite a while. I hope he continues to post.
I hope you just go back to your own blog (Constance has graciously given you linkage) and stay there, in all honesty.
Contra Pagan Christianity: Countering the Psuedohistory of Frank Viola & George Barna (A Christian Response to Jesus Mythicism Book 11)

Author: McIlhenny, Albert amazon kindle

totally destroys Viola's arguments and shows he handles his sources dishonestly misrepresenting what they say and the author points out he isn't all that clear
on what he and Barna believe about Jesus Christ. And Grant pushes this thing.
doesn't endorse house church? this book would turn you off anything else.

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Here, here, 12:41 PM. You have stated succinctly, respectfully and eloquently what many of us here feel as has Constance (who, incidentally deserves the Nobel Prize for Patience and Tolerance in this matter)!

Let's hope Christine, you honor your claim to, "disappear for a while", and may a long while it be!

Any law suits for libel you're unwisely threatening are liable to prove self-defeating. Libel and defamatory remarks have been your forte over the years you've posted here. Who knows? Others may find it necessary to begin legal proceedings against yourself as a result!

Goodbye Ms Erikson and may God bring you to a spirit of humble repentance and a renewing of spirit!
anon 12:31

I have given facts lots of times over the years, and I'm afraid I am not interested in what you claim to be or not be, because you are anonymous and you are part of
the pack any way.

Susanna was recently subjected to plenty ugly and I couldn't defend her for a while. as for my brand of ugly, it is nothing compared to yours. you anonymous
people spew spite, LIES, at this point actionable slander and I think this all might qualify as illegal online bullying and in general say in proper English
Note someone just claimed I had attacked Dorothy for her Jewishness that's when I lost my temper.

all manner of vulgarity rephrased as non vulgar terms. so you look good, but
you are in fact far uglier than I ever was. you just phrase it nice. hypocrite.

I show how to derail New Age arguments and I get the worst fire. don't tell me
these aren't new age agents here.

you talk about my brand of ugly? why don't you look at the ugliness spewed.

While you're at it, the Greek word used in the NT as someone pointed out years
ago skubala isn't "garbage' is it manure. There is some precedent for "ugly."
A person who visits here and I think one other expressed surprise to me that
I could tolerate you people as well as I do.

My posts for some time have been away from the oddball or useful in arguing with a new ager, but one thing posted and I get attacked over matters not discussed in months.

I don't post for the benefit of those who don't want it. judging by traffic on my blogs, several hundred probably check in here every week and some of them gain
something useful. I am accused of derailing the blog and hogging the blog when you people fire off 13 posts against 5 of mine

don't talk to me about facts and courtesy, when I show these I am hounded to a breaking point. Unless you are new here, you know that.

I don't think that calling someone a filthy liar and giving them the charitable excuse of maybe drunk and bad memory is all that bad, after they accuse me of
attacking Dorothy for being Jewish.

I think the only reason some come here is to find someone to attack. they drove out someone called Joyce and someone else I forget her name, and there was heavy
attack on Dorothy at one point but not by me. and some others disappeared back
when I wasn't posting hardly at all in the 2000s, I really think Constance should ban anonymous posters.

"I am going to disappear for a while."

If only!

Overcome evil with good.
When reviled, revile not again.
Jesus said these things. You even argue with Him, right here, and often, still defending your indefensible behavior.
Just more shame you bring upon yourself.

I pity you.
So this blog has reached the point of lawsuit threats?
The latest Erikson book title, coming soon to the virtual world, will be:

The Wallpaper Chronicles

(subtitle - Lifestyles of the Bored and Angry)
Maybe the title will be: Guidance by a Blind Seer in the Virtual Trenches of Nibiru.

I personally prefer Holy Scripture :

"Leave them alone. They are blind guides of the blind. If one blind person leads another blind person, both will fall into a ditch."

Matthew 15:14
A far more fitting title for Erikson's libram ad nauseum would be:

Confessiones ex Muliere de Constantinopoli ; Flagitio Degeneravere in Habitatio et Fornicando Perverso cum Caeca Veneficus de Humanae Mysteria Ineptias!
nauseae habent libro
Or put simply:

Confessiones ex Muliere de Constantinopoli ; Caeca Veneficus in casa de peccatoribus Mysteria Ineptias!

(Confessions of a woman from Constantinople; Wizard mysteries hidden in the house of wicked Nonsense!)
"Joyner has said that the Christians who don't side with NAR will have to be killed."

That would be deeply perturbing. Where, please, Christine?

" Anonymous said...
"Joyner has said that the Christians who don't side with NAR will have to be killed."
That would be deeply perturbing. Where, please, Christine?"

Mischel McCumber is the main source. It would tally nicely with Bill Hamon's
timeline which I posted.
While she was with Joyner's organization he told her it would be physical not
just spiritual war, but for public consumption it is all just spiritual. and download the interview

or go to youtube and
listen to "Rick Joyner's demonic church." Another extremely interesting thing in that
interview, is that Mishel while at the Joyners' house saw some paperwork or invite
for a luciferic group or event, that Joyner's wife "explained" away as being not
about lucifer as satan but as light bearer.

the Hamon plan is:
3rd Apostolic Reformation

1988 – 40 years – 2028
•Phase 1 Prophetic Movement 1988
•Phase 2 Apostolic Movement 1998
•Phase 4 Army of the Lord Movement 2018
•Phase 5 Kingdom Establishing Movement 2028[8]"
"8. This timeline by Hamon was originally published here: "
page not available, got it on

" Mr. Joyner cleverly explains away the coming Antichrist. He is no longer the man of
sin that the Scripture reveals to come, but is some kind of religious fundamentalist.
We certainly do not need to look very deep to identify the source of this idea. "

this and the following article quotes from Joyner sound like it is a spiritual war
only, but get this:

"Hank Hanegraaff, in his illuminating text Counterfeit Revival, reminds us that Joyner
labels the Grays as "spiritually ruthless and cruel", that he wants them "either

get that, "either converted or removed" that adds up to murder and/or concentration
camps, at the least driven out into the wilderness by violence.

then "12.When Hank Hanegraaff spoke out against the Pensacola Outpouring, they cursed him and threatened his family."

get that, "threatened his family."

timeline on development of MSOG and Joel's Army (many people who deny being MSOG,
Latter Rain or Joel's Army teach the same things, only under another name.)
"2014 -: Megachurches of the NAR have continued to emphasize the apostolic/prophetic
position and grow rapidly. Rhetoric concerning end-times army and dominion over all
Christians, along with the intent of that army to wipe out those Christians who resist, has raised concerns among more orthodox believers. "

Since one of the articles mention false prophet Cain speaking telepathically to
someone who resisted the Toronto "blessing" who then supported it, I suspect that a
lot of this "unprecedented warfare," when it isn't physical, will consist of an
unprecedented psychic attack on the real Christians, probably involving channeled demons ramping up the less powerful human capacity to do this (demons are spirit so can do telepathy, we are physical and spirit so can do LESS telepathy), and when it is a case of physical attack that will probably be preceded by an effort to convert by mental invasion, and when that fails a wearing down disorienting attack psychically rendering you less able to effectively defend yourself and others.

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