Tuesday, August 18, 2015

New Agers Back Socialist Sanders as Messiah

New Agers Back Socialist Sanders as Messiah:
Update:  One of my closest personal friends died on Wednesday.  TMERadio will do a rerun of a previous program of mine in the morning, August 22, 2015 as I will be at the funeral that starts at 10:30 a.m.  Thank you for your patience!  I did a SKYPE Roku TV interview with Cliff Kincaid on his America Survival program on Wednesday night.  It aired live, but the program will be going up on his archive.  I'm still finishing parts 2, 3, and 4 of the military New Age and Satanism series.

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I've not felt well for the past couple of weeks. I really haven't been quite the same since that "near miss" I experienced almost immediately after my NewswithViews article about General Vallely and Michael Aquino was published. My left leg is giving me a great deal of trouble - walking is difficult. My doctor suspects it is a "sciatic nerve" problem. We are working on that and thanks for your patience and prayers.

The radio program was impeded Saturday morning by the severe forest fire hitting Kamiah, Idaho that required area evacuation. We hope to be back live this coming Saturday morning.

The attached article is the opinion of Cliff Kincaid, a political writer and analyst whom I great respect although we don't always agree on all specifics. He noted that candidate Bernie Sanders had a large New Age following, looked into it and discovered Marianne Williamson was a major Sanders' backer. He called me for information on Marianne Williamson and has scheduled me to do his ROKU Television live program at 9 pm Eastern Time tomorrow night, Auust 19th. I will be "live" via SKYPE. Join us. We will be discussing Marianne Williamson and other New Age issues.

Pray for my article continuation. My draft in progress suddenly disappeared from my computer. I am mystified, but I'm starting again from scratch.
Sanders? I thought Obama was their messiah. Anyway, Sanders is a chump. The real deal is Trump.
Just a reminder..... that Marianne Williamson is a friend of Diane Temple who is the wife of Paul N. Temple.

Paul N. Temple is co-founder along with former astronaut Edgar Mitchell of the Institute of Noetic Sciences.


Interestingly, Wernher von Braun's name has been added to the list of co-founders of the Institute of Noetic Sciences (see above link) and when von Braun was converted, he had a private meeting with the Reverend Billy Graham. As everyone knows, Paul N. Temple has close ties with THE FAMILY

Diane Temple, who was an early student of A COURSE IN MIRACLES, has been involved with Marianne Williams in promoting it and sits on the Board of Directors of the Foundation For Inner Peace which which publishes and distributes A COURSE IN MIRACLES.


In March, 2015, Bernie Sanders delivered the keynote speech at Marianne Williamson's third SISTER GIANT conference:

In March 2015, Marianne Williamson hosted her third SISTER GIANT conference. This two day event featured some of the brightest political and transformational minds of our time, discussing critical matters facing our country and world today, including getting money out of politics, racial justice and mass incarceration, the corruption of our food supply, how to build a more peaceful world, and the bridge from spiritual enlightenment to political transformation.

Over 30 speakers and panelists participated along with over 1200 people from 44 States and 13 foreign Countries and Territories. Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont delivered the keynote address.

If the idea of merging spiritual enlightenment with conscious citizenship and political change resonates with you, you will love this weekend-long, deep and inspiring conversation.

The recorded version is presented by videos covering each segment of the two-day event. Each video segment is approximately two hours long. You will have continued access to the videos and can return to them again and again.


As I have pointed out on more than one occasion, socialism appears to be the political arm of the New Age Movement. It had its modern day origins in the "utopian socialism" of Saint-Simon whose followers made a sort of ersatz religion out of it. Its credibility lies in its hijacking and "transformation" of the Gospels........just like Marianne Williamson's "A COURSE IN MIRACLES" whose original "seer," Helen Schucman claimed that an "inner voice", which she identified as Jesus, guided her writing. Moreover, this hijacking and "transformation" of the Gospels is done with a view to promoting a kingdom which is "in and of this world."

Here is more on Williamson's support of Sanders.

Marianne Williamson, Hollywood's Favorite New Age Guru, Backs Bernie Sanders for President



I can't stomach reading the long list of alarmist cries Vallely makes in his book 'End Game' concerning Iran, Iraq, N. Korea and various CIA linked 'terrorist' groups following 'radical jihad'. His almost threat to Japan for thinking of helping Iran (this book is pre-tsunami) is ominous. His fear churning calls that if we don't act, we can face nuclear disaster all over the planet could be called a sadistic joke. Why? I do believe now that it is true that the Pacific ocean is dying and possible the entire northern hemisphere will follow. What kind of murdering psychopaths would do this and what kind of brainwashed people would look away and let them? If the ocean is dying, I frankly don't give a damn about radical jihad. So Lucifer gets his depopulation this way? Mass murder comes with God's judgement.
Video, from Hawaii 2015 They have had to take legal action against persons who work for the Governor and express a 'lawlessness' going on and the military has been attempting to control information.

This is a boat out on local waters showing you the local effects and an expert describes the problems of the dying sea. Please debunk this. I welcome that.

According to the following article about a recent "SCIENCE AND NON DUALITY CONFERENCE" attended by IONS co-founder Edgar Mitchell.

According to Edgar Mitchell, Wernher von Braun was interested in the work of Russell Targ who was a longtime exponent and expert in remote viewing at Stanford Research Institute.(SRI)

Following Dr. Mitchell’s theories, Russell Targ a longtime exponent and expert in remote viewing at SRI revealed that his initial funding came as a result of experiments with psychics that were so successful that they attracted the interest of the CIA. He said that Werner von Braun was interested in his work because he himself had had a psychic grandmother, and that anyone might increase their capacity for ESP with a consistent practice of a quiet mind.


Marianne Williamson was in attendance at the IONS 16TH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE which took place from July 22–26, 2015, at the Hilton Oak Brook Hills Resort near Chicago. The theme was "The SCIENCE of BEING The SPIRIT of COMMUNITY."

Also in attendance was Barbara Marx Hubbard, Edgar Mitchell and Dean Radin, who is involved with DARPA.


Apparently Bernie Sanders is a proponent of "integrative medicine" which combines alternative medicine (including Yoga, Reiki, etc.) with evidence-based medicine. In the following Huffington Post article dated December 22, 2014, the author laments the loss of political power due to the November mid-term elections:

3. The Republican Win and Awful Losses of Political Power: Harkin, Mikulski and Sanders

It was one thing to learn that integrative medicine's powerful and stalwart federal policy champion Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) was resigning. Then came the Republican control of the U.S. Senate which removed from power Harkin's closest colleague on all things integrative, Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), the chair of the U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee, and Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), the chair of the integrative-active Veterans Affairs. Federal policy in integrative health and medicine is going to be a different game with Senator Richard Shelby (R-AL) from a state with no integrative academic centers, and no licensing of acupuncturists and naturopathic doctors, at the U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee's spigot
......




The following might have relevance to the recent discussion on Michael Aquino and Paul Vallely.

Integrative Medicine Invades the U.S. Military: Part One

Integrative medicine proponents claim superiority over physicians practicing “conventional” medicine. ......

From a consumer protection standpoint, I find integrative medicine troubling. Proponents are unfairly misrepresenting medical practice as inferior and offering themselves as the solution when there is no evidence that they can deliver on these claims. Unfortunately, despite this lack of evidence, integrative medicine has seized the imagination of public policy makers and legislative bodies. It is included in the Affordable Care Act and continues to metastasize throughout the military health care system, which together will soon control delivery of the vast majority of health care in this country.
....


Holistic Politics:
A Conversation with Marianne Williamson

By Scott London


Needless to say, "integral medicine" is a specialty of the Institute of Noetic Sciences.


By the way, wasn't Wernher von Braun one of the former German Nazis handpicked by Abraham Vereide after the Second World War?

Markell: Pope Francis May Be The 'Second Beast' Of The End Times

for those of you who think the bogomils were legitimate primitive Christians,
and the Baptists who foolishly claim them in their Landmark or similar pedigrees,
take a gander at this. While you do indeed have some bogomil-patarene-cathar
connections and influences, these abominable doctrines of theirs would have you
throwing them out of your churches or whoever would preach them.

The Chosen Ones

He is a fan of Pope Francis.

As far as religious influences go, Sanders said he finds himself “very close to the teachings of Pope Francis,” and he described the pope as “incredibly smart and brave,” according to USA Today.

fish look great Hawaii coast 2015 Aug
Anon. 7:24 A.M.

Re:As far as religious influences go, Sanders said he finds himself “very close to the teachings of Pope Francis,”

Of course Sanders is a big fan of Pope Francis in terms of Pope Francis' advocacy for the poor and his critique of the corruption and greed which even deprives the poor of the means by which they might earn their own daily bread. Pope Francis has said - echoing St. Paul - that if a man is unwilling to work, he shouldn't eat.

Pope Francis: ‘Whoever Will Not Work Should Not Eat’

Pope Francis also alludes to St. Paul's denunciation of idleness in 2 Thessalonians 3:11 when he says:

Paul’s denunciation of idleness, Francis continued, “refers explicitly to a false spiritualism of some who lived off the backs of their brothers and sisters while ‘doing nothing.’” In the Christian outlook, a commitment of hard work is not opposed to a deep spiritual life, Francis said, referencing the example of Saint Benedict who taught that “prayer and work can and should be found together in harmony.”

“A lack of work is bad for the spirit,” the Pope said, just as a lack of prayer detracts from practical activity.



Socialism from its earliest modern beginnings in the seventeenth century, involved a hijacking of the Gospels - and particularly in our own time, a hijacking of the Gospel passages which define the Roman Catholic Church's teaching on a "preferential option for the poor."

The Roman Catholic Christian "preferential option for the poor" is defined according to the Gospel hermeneutics (interpretation ).....NOT Marxist hermeneutics.

As far as the Roman Catholic Christian communion is concerned at any rate, it is here where, according to C.S. Lewis, that we see "the abomination" beginning to "stand where it ought not." I leave it to other non-Catholic Christians to search for "the cloven hoof" within their own communions.

And what is the difference?

According to Marxist hermeneutics "the poor" is not the real issue. In fact the "issue is never the issue." Thus spake Saul Alinsky. The "issue" is to be exploited as the means to an end which is POWER.

Political power is the real issue. Christ's kingdom is "not of this world." The kingdom of Karl Marx et al is both "in and of this world."

Socialism is inherently militantly atheistic, but will pretend to tolerate religion for the sake of political expediency. But once the need for political expediency has passed, then socialism shows its true colors. We see this happening now in terms of Christians being persecuted for refusing to bake wedding cakes for gays and clerks refusing to perform gay marriages.

Socialism is not about voluntarily and charitably "sharing the wealth." It is about coercively confiscating and controlling the wealth and doling it out only to those who show themselves willing to "toe the party line."

This is why certain tax exempt foundations once under investigation by the Reece Committee (an offshoot of the House Un-American Activities Committee - HUAC) promote communism even though their wealth is beyond the wildest dreams of human avarice.

According to the late Norman Dodd, chief researcher for the reece Committee, the heads of these tax exempt foundations see the collectivism inherent in socialism as a means of creating the monopoly that they might otherwise be prevented from creating due to the mandates of our anti trust laws. The name of the game is power.

Many think that socialism is just a "walk in the park. But according to Vladimir Lenin, "communism is the goal of socialism."


When it comes to "toeing the party line" as a condition of receiving benefits, when Pope Francis was still Father Bergoglio serving as Jesuit Provincial in Argentina.... and was very bravely rescuing people from the murderous military dictatorship and their "Dirty War," he didn't make membership in the Catholic Church a condition of anyone being rescued by him.

Details of Father Bergoglio's selfless bravery are to be found in the book entitled BERGOGLIO'S LIST by Nello Scavo which was inspired by the famous SCHINDLER'S LIST.

The journalist Nello Scavo began writing his book with a view to discovering hard evidence that Father Bergoglio had indeed collaborated with the military junta during the "dirty war." Scavo knew that if he could prove that the accusations against the newly elected Pope were true, he would be in for a huge scoop. The hard evidence, however, unexpectedly proved otherwise.


By the way, in terms of the "teachings of Pope Francis" that Bernie Sanders claims to be "very close to," I don't see any articles in which Bernie Sanders is a "big fan" of Pope Francis in terms of Pope Francis' condemnation of homosexuality, gay marriage, abortion, etc.

Just saying.

To whoever it was mocked the idea capitalists would help communists,

Susanna's post "According to the late Norman Dodd, chief researcher for the reece Committee, the heads of these tax exempt foundations see the collectivism inherent in socialism as a means of creating the monopoly that they might otherwise be prevented from creating due to the mandates of our anti trust laws. The name of the game is power."

That's why they would do so.

Not to forget that Marianne Williamson was very busy pushing and promoting the OCCUPY movement a few short years ago. And when she was busy with Sister Giant during lead up to last elections she had the usual gang promoting her, for example, Barbarba Marx Hubbard, Deepak Chopra, Jack Canfield, Michael Bernard Beckwith, etc. Its always the same group. Not forgetting her mateship with Oprah. She is a dangerous influence on unsuspecting people. Can't tolerate what she represents.

Constance, I hope you are feeling better.

From OZ.
11:03 Pope Francis seems "brave" to Jewish socialist Sanders because Francis is a Jesuit pushing the limits of what he can get away with without yet exposing to the brain dead masses that he is more likely than not a Gnostic infiltrator. To these men God is oppressive and stopping them from doing what they wilt. How brave they feel standing up to God by deception and being the hidden hand behind the curtains moving society towards more Talmudic communism. I know you are the Catholic apologist and communications director on this blog, enjoy that.
"Talmudic communism" what ignorance. I have read the Talmud and while I forgot
most of it I never saw anything resembling Marxism Leninism or any kind of
economic theory whatever. usually Jews are blamed for big capitalism not communism.
the antichrist could as easily be a libertarian as a communist, it wouldn't matter.
all that would be the issue would be requiring people to worship him and take his
name and/or number and/or symbol before they could participate in that economy.

I wouldn't be surprised if the eventual revolt against Jesus' rule on earth includes
elements of "liberty" and "sovereign individual" and so forth.

July 22, 2015
DHS run by none other than a son of the apartheid state. US police are being trained by Israel. Finally, Christians will come to understand how the Palestinians have been abuse and it will be TOO LATE. Just like all Communist revolutions, no one believes those sweet do-what-thou-wilt mystics hate their guts until the boot is applied to the neck. Don't research it, just listen to Christine. During the great depression, anti-communism was anti-semitism according to the ADL, now why would they say that?

"I forgot
most of it"

I didn't. Read it again and this time read it carefully and then stop and take a break. Then go back to it later. Maybe have a dictionary with you.

anti communism was a front for anti-Semitism and like you people nowdays was
quick to give fake Jewish "real" names to Stalin and Lenin neither of who were
Jewish at all, and to connect it via all conspiracies to Jews. YOU need to read
a lot more of what went on then.

and sure, some individual ADLers who were commie would emphasize all this. bear in
mind that it wasn't long after that that we joined Stalin against Hitler and
frankly if we hadn't been working together probably wouldn't have won. the monsters
Stalin unleashed on eastern Europe were selected for this from prisons. a separate issue that appear similar.
"elements of "liberty" and "sovereign individual" and so forth"
Be owned and obey the State and it will let you practice about any vice you want.
(religion too as long as you don't call Jesus LORD)
Thanks for that propaganda Christine. Stalin worked nicely with Hitler and they only pretended to be rivals in public. They always returned POW's to each other and their religious ideology came from the same kabalahistic mystery religions and also the same one as the ADL. Shall we call Jewish mysticism 'Fake Jewish Mysticism' to make you happy? Obviously not all Jews follow it, most have no religion such as those in the homosexual Tel Aviv video.

There will be Bibles in every Masonic Lodge in 'Christian' areas, though they will be symbolic and no followed...sort of like NOW.

Jesus is Lord.
you are forgetting that Christian states that forbade or barely tolerated
anything but Christianity could be very totalitarian at times. Only some
states will let you do all vices you want if owned by them, others will kill
you or put you in the nut ward or prison. The last two used to be options
in this country when it was more Christians, and occasionally the first option,
for doing various vices now promoted under the heading of liberty and individual
sovereignty and "we have free will so no one has the right to tell us what not
to do with our own bodies" and for some it includes no one who can't enforce it
on their own has the right to complain (snitch) about someone doing something
to their bodies or property.
I would guess the homosexual tel aviv video bunch includes those who take some
mysticism to its logical conclusion.

Jewish non-profits received a record percentage of DHS grants: 3% of the population — 97% of the money

THE ISRAELI newspaper Haaretz reports:

Jewish non-profit organizations in the United States will receive 97 percent of the funds granted by the Department of Homeland Security for the fiscal year 2012, money which is aimed at dealing with security threats those institutions face. (ILLUSTRATION: The National Hanukkah Menorah in front of the White House)

In 2012, Jewish institutions in the U.S. will receive $9.7 million, or 97 percent of the funds intended for dealing with security threats, as part of the Vital Nonprofit Security Grants distributed by the Department of Homeland Security.


Don't worry about the new police state, Jews are not communists, They can be trusted to run DHS, only fake Jews as Christine says are red and don't worry...cause they love Jesus and Christians...except that they hate Christ and call his mother a whore in the Talmud, but Christine forgot that page.

How Israel excludes those 'not Jewish enough': Meet the 'second-class' Jews whose plight is sparking an uprising against Israel's supreme religious authority.
by Judy Maltz

Many are children of Jewish fathers and non-Jewish mothers, largely Russian-speaking immigrants. Some are Jews of choice whose conversions are unrecognized by Israel’s supreme religious authority because the rabbis who signed their certificates either do not measure up to the strict standards of the Chief Rabbinate or operate outside its state-sanctioned system. Others belong to emerging Jewish communities in remote parts of the world that have yet to be recognized by Israel’s gatekeepers, the bureaucrats at the Ministry of Interior. Still others are born Jews with no affiliation who, therefore, have no hometown rabbi to vouch for their lineage.

"SUPREME RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY"...what?? Which religion has supreme authority????? Sounds like a MYSTERY to me.
(oh say it isn't so!! Christine you need to call in to this radio show and set them straight!! You should troll them until they conform!!)

A Spanish public broadcaster accused Jews of promoting Satanism.

The assertion was the focus of a radio program titled “From the Inferno — The Jewish People: Propagator of the Satan Cult” aired last month by the state-owned RTVE broadcaster as part of its weekend “A la Carta” program.

The program begins with ominous music, followed by a gravel-voiced announcer who quotes from Jacob Frank, an 18th century Jew from Poland who had been excommunicated by his community for his heretic Kabalistic interpretations. “The Jews first propagated the cult of Lucifer in several secret satanical societies,” the monologue continues.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.672163

watch this one, I told you so: "Muslim extremists' will quickly change to American white guy fast and look at all those MKutra slaves they had to use to make it happen

this one is updated to 2015: The Department of Homeland Security will give $13 million dollars to add security to nonprofit organizations. If this year’s competition is like previous years, then over 90 percent of these grants will go to Jewish groups. Over the past decade, nearly all of the funds have gone to religious nonprofits with Jewish groups receiving the lion’s share, with over $110 million in grants. - See more at: http://tobingrant.religionnews.com/2015/05/29/why-jewish-organizations-received-110-million-from-homeland-security/#sthash.TTHiKceF.dpuf

(how do they get more federal dollars after THIS??)

Chabad misappropriated U.S. federal funds and must pay nearly $850,000 in damages, an American federal court ruled, the LA Times reported Saturday.

The case was brought to light in 2010 when a husband and wife whistleblowers exposed that Chabad misappropriated government funds from the Department of Homeland Security which were meant to be used to upgrade security but were instead used to cover payroll, utility bills and other expenses, the report in the Times read.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.631553
anon 7:09

the refutation of your implied position and that of the video, is in the very
words you posted:

"Jacob Frank, an 18th century Jew from Poland who had been excommunicated by his community for his heretic Kabalistic interpretations"


for what? "for his HERETIC Kabalistic interpretations"

what kind of interpretations of the Kabala was that he did?

"HERETIC" kind of interpretations.

Yes the Kabala is dangerous, and Jacob Frank may have been truer to it than the
ORthodox Jews and others who are into it may want to admit to themselves. But usually,
by the old rules, no one gets to study Kabala (as distinct from use a few harmless
things from it) unless you are grounded in Torah and over 35 years old. unlikely
to be destabilized by it.
you wanna scream about Chabad when billions go astray in the US government contract

and three trillion with a t goes missing then in a mere month is dismissed as
accounting error, when no such accounting can possibly be done in that short of a
time, meanwhile the records for it are destroyed in 9-11 how convenient which was
likely the purpose 9-11 was done for in the first place?
6:57 PM
You missed what I meant. I am talking about under globalism, you know, the next thing around the bend.......
You are so quick to critique everything you did not see I am talking about The State-not any state-The State of things to come...
7:56 I am not screaming. You are correct but still it is not in our countries best interest and the the entire DHS is clearly an East German (extension of Soviet communism) They even brought an old crusty Stasi guy to start it. The fact that the $$ is going to Jewish causes is highly questionable at least and completely obvious at best.

7:54 I am not in agreement here. That's your opinion. I went to a synagogue and it took a long time for them to begin 'service'. We waited and I got the impression he drove from another location. He got lots of pats on the back after his by-the-book Torah 'sermon' for the surprise Christian Zionists. I imagine it could easily have been a Kabbalah style if we had not surprised them. I never thought about this until much later. They advertised for Christians to come and hear the speaker talk about tourism in Israel, we were the only ones who showed up for service.
7:54 Also he got busted doing kabbalah, so the rest of the guys claimed it was heretical to save their butts. I am sure he was doing it right if it was offensive.
Christine 7:54

You are correct about Jacob Frank being excommunicated by his own Jewish community -after which he and his followers pretended to "convert" to Roman Catholicism in order to trick the Polish bishop into protecting them.

Jacob Frank was a disciple and successor of Sabbatai Tzevi who not only claimed to be the reincarnation of Sabbatai Tzevi, but also like Tzevi "the messiah."

Sabbatai Tzevi's movement was shattered when, challenged by the Muslim authorities in Turkey and faced with martyrdom or conversion, the would-be "messiah" Tzevi chose outward conversion to Islam for himself and his followers while practicing their heretical gnosticised "Judaism" in secret. To this day, the descendents of these "converts" are known as the "Donmeh."

Similarly, what was, and often still is, a hallmark of Frankism......had to do with the Frankists' outward profession of Roman Catholicism while practicing their bogus gnosticised "Judaism" in secret. The "Judaism" they practice in secret is not Judaism. It is pagan Gnosticism tricked out in Jewish wrappings and terminology.

Frank and Tzevi were promoters of a bogus antinomian (lawless) "Kabbalah" which advocated the breaking of the Ten Commandments in anticipation of the new utopia and salvation through sexual ecstasy as given free reign during their secret orgiastic rites.




The following are from Jewish sources.



This Day in Jewish History A False Messiah Converts to Islam

Shabbetai Zvi, an eccentric ex-rabbi who gained a following while traversing Europe and the Middle East, agreed to become Muslim in order to avoid death.

David B. Green | 
Sep 16, 2012


This Day in Jewish History The False Messiah Who Founded Frankism Is Arrested in Warsaw

Jacob Frank proclaimed himself successor to Shabbetai Zvi, converted to Catholicism and spent 13 years in prison for heresy.

David B. Green | 
Feb 06, 2014


In our own time there is the Donmeh West headed by a man whose religious name is
Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain. The "Reb" has "converted" to everything!!!

The Neo-Sabbatean Collective of the Internet



Islamic Leaders Want A Jihad Against Global Warming:

A group of influential Muslims is calling on others of their faith to wage a jihad on global warming, and is calling on Islamic governments to reduce their use of fossil fuels ahead of the United Nations climate summit in Paris this year.

“Excessive pollution from fossil fuels threatens to destroy the gifts bestowed on us by God, whom we know as Allah – gifts such as a functioning climate, healthy air to breathe, regular seasons, and living oceans,” wrote Islamic leaders from 20 countries after attending a summit in Istanbul, Turkey.

“We are driven to conclude from these warnings that there are serious flaws in the way we have used natural resources – the sources of life on Earth. An urgent and radical reappraisal is called for,” the Muslims wrote to Islamic government officials, delegates and activists.

In the wake of Pope Francis’ encyclical letter, other religious groups have made appeals to governments to agree to an international treaty to lower greenhouse gas emissions. Earlier this year, hundreds of Rabbis signed an open letter urging “vigorous climate action.”


Dave in CA

Rabbi Moshe (Marvin) Antelman wrote to Eliminate the Opiate volume 1 where in the last few chapters he started on Jacob Frank.

the next one Vol. 2 many years later was almost entirely about Jacob Frank and his epistemological descendants.
Christine 10:38

I have the two-volume work of Rabbi Marvin Antelman entitled TO ELIMINATE THE OPIATE. Very informative.
unless I misremember, I think Rabbi Antelman is one of those Jews who does not like Kabalah. Frankist or otherwise. Gershom Scholem
blamed Tzevi on Isaac Luria, something about the Lurianic view of Kabalah made Tzevi's heresy possible, but I don't remember what,
I recall this from reading something in the 1980s, I don't recall if Frank was mentioned.

The antinomianism of Sabbatianism/Frnakism is based on the hints in prophecy that the Law under the Messiah would be
changed, this was phrased by the later talmudists I think as what was sin would be called virtue and vice versa, referring
to external observance issues of the Law, which of course did happen when Jesus' fulfillment of the Law made the
external ritual observances not only unnecessary but a near denial of Christ. Conversely, not getting circumcised bur
relying on faith became a virtue.

Sabbatians/Frankists took this as applying to the moral law as well as ritual, which is a whole other matter. Aside from the
obvious issue of Tzevi being a false messiah, this inversion of morality was a mockery of God and I would not be surprised if explicit
satanism turned up in that circle at some point.
Book Review 7 of 50, To Eliminate the Opiate, Rabbie Marvin Antelman

Gershom Scholem was a kabbalahist
"Epidemic of sea mammal deaths explodes as Fukushima radiation contaminates one-third of the earth" Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/050844_Fukushima_radiation_marine_life.html#ixzz3jRzBdT9U

One third of the earth? That sounds biblical. A promoter of Fukushima is 'killing the sea news' comes from the above website. Maybe a trip to CA is overdue.


Could we be looking again at yet another use of Biblical prophecy to deceive the elect? Is the Fukushima event really not a disaster of enough proportions to contaminate the sea BUT is being presented at such in conjunction with claims of food contamination elsewhere (NGO's etc)which could result in government restrictions of food thus creating starvation in true communist style? OR are they going to sell more snake oil to save you from the health problems?

http://www.divinitynow.com/ http://www.amethios.com/ http://www.consumerwellness.org/ http://www.consumerwellness.org/Mission.html
http://www.healthranger.com/ http://foodinvestigations.naturalnews.com/ http://www.healthranger.com/Health-Ranger-Biography.html

FBI turns up heat on Mike Adams as ‘Health Ranger’ fiasco widens, plus Adams’ archive http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/07/28/fbi-turns-up-heat-on-mike-adams-as-health-ranger-fiasco-widens-plus-adams-archive/

Fall out with Alex jokes? http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=260568.0

So back to Martin/Barnhouse and the counter-cult movement. Bob Larson, by the way, was good friends with Martin and only split with Hannagraaff later via an obvious instigated and public attack. Martin and CRI sent researchers to aid in Larson in his book writings and Martin and all of his people are listed in various ways in his books, including one Gretchen P.'s outfit. Tracing Barnhouse (to the bad guys) is pretty easy, but since I can't afford the hundred dollar book by Douglas Cowen, Bearing False Witness?: An Introduction to the Christian Countercult- is the comment correct on Amazon, is the movement "the spiritual heir to the Inquisition or Vishinsky" because that actually makes sense. Except he may be exaggerating a bit. I guess nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition. Or maybe you didn't research that MCE.
most of those authors have written good material, I suppose I could find
something decent by the Passantinos when it regards something that doesn't interfere
with witchcraft much. Just like Massimo Introvigne. After all, all these cultists
are in competition with each other, so you can expect them to dish accurate dirt
on their competition.

you just have to be selective and never rely on anyone. I don't read this stuff
anymore being educated about the nature of various cults years ago so why bother?
Bob Larson seemed to be pretty good on the occult (if I recall right) then there
was some kind of problem developed with him. sensationalism and something else
I can't recall.

'you just have to be selective and never rely on anyone' well duh, Jesus only for me. I wasn't alive years ago so you have to bother with repeating it, we missed it in real time.

Larson is o.k. theologically but he is against the official church belief that Christians can't be demonized. The Catholic Church (tyrannically) does not want any exorcisms sensationalized, however the main RC exorcist did bless him once when Bob visited and his visit was frowned upon by the upper management. The fact is that exorcisms were done in open on the streets in the early days. Everyone hates Bob.

A guy 22 years ago named Ken Smith who was an atheist from the Denver area who went after Bob. Bob accused him of being law suit happy and Ken called Hanagraaff and instigated trouble during the event. After that they were no longer friends. CRI blasted Larson for being dangerous and subjective but could not find anything wrong with his theology.

Ken went on to spend the next 15 years suing the state of Colorado for making him take a psych evaluation and not letting him pass the bar until he did. He enjoyed suing judges. So Larson may have been correct about him. his websites are still up and slam Hannagraaff as well. Ken hated Christians in general turns out.

I understand Larson, Martin and Marrs have all insulted Constance in some way.

That link is interesting. Brother Yun said even people in the official China Communist party church can be saved and often are, if we all fall short of the glory of God, then all churches/denominations do as well. Counter-cult reminds me of the war on 'radical jihad'{{--not all Muslims are radical BUT the moderates don't count--}} in so much as it serves more as a fear producing mechanism a provocation in the cult member into a defensive life saving mode, rather than doing the service of saving or correcting the spiritual problem. Which is why Christians are told to lead by example, and avoid people who says Jesus is coming back with an Ak-47.

I see Hegel and he is on the political right again in this case.
walter veith ??
Jesuit Gay by 2030?

"Which is why Christians are told to lead by example, and avoid people who says Jesus is coming back with an Ak-47."

Agreed that we are told to lead by the example He set when He was here first time, ie sacrificially. When He comes a second time, however, an AK47 is greatly understating his firepower and His deployment of it, for He is personally going to massacre an entire world army sent against Him (and against Israel); read Rev 19.

This is off-topic, but maybe relevant. The Dow Jones has tumbled more than 500 points after dropping more than 300 yesterday. That's more than 800 in two days. Is Jonathon
Cahn right? Is an economic collapse coming? If so, what comes after an economic collapse? A new economy or reboot the one we have now?

Another debt ceiling confrontation is set to happen in September. I'm not an economist, but with the economy getting so close to a breaking point does it matter if it's raised or not? We've played this game of economic Jenga so long now, will the tower collapse if a block is removed or restacked? So, if the debt ceiling is raised, not raised, or temporarily moved six months down the road, my bet is the economy will collapse. However, my bet wouldn't be worth much is the value of money is zero.

A new world order needs a new world economy. Perhaps this may be an opportunity.
Needs a certain man at the helm too 5:35 PM.
"What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the alliances of all people and to lift us out of the economic morass into which we are sinking. Send us such a man, and be he god or devil, we will receive him."
Paul-Henri Spaak

Won't be long a wait..............
"he is against the official church belief that Christians can't be demonized. "

there is no such official church belief. maybe its in the online faith statement of
some Christian group maybe in one denomination.

Define "Christian." Someone who is ordering their life around Jesus and prays a lot
and fights against weird little shifts in consciousness, doesn't play with the occult,
probably not.

But as for FACTS of what happens, regarding people who maybe would turn to Jesus
in an emergency but are worldly oriented and blah on theology nominal Christians,
that's another matter.

Define "demonized." full on possession is a rare thing. Harassment attack is commonplace against those who take Jesus seriously, though it may not take a form
that is obviously occultic. Being connected or semi inhabited but not controlled
is another matter. Being influenced is another matter.

The charismatics are likely semi possessed at various moments, though whether it is
a person type being, or a demon designed warp in their soul processes like a sort
of robot effect thing that can tolerate praising Jesus at times is another question.

The people who get into New Age ideas and practices are often church going, the
infiltration of the churches is not just about people developing bad ideas, but
about spirit influence or even presence. Such people may come under influence and
some of the kundalini type manifestations in such situations look a lot like
possession even if only of the temporary during worship rituals type that happens
in voodoo.
It's in or out.
No halfways with possession, Christine.
A real believer can never be possessed by a demon because the Holy Spirit has taken up residency in a person who is born again by the Lord's Spirit. The devil has to bow to that-has no place, in other words.
Oppressed? Yes. Inhabited? No.
Where do you get this stuff?
Never mind. Don't bother to answer.

"Define "Christian." Someone who is ordering their life around Jesus and prays a lot
and fights against weird little shifts in consciousness, doesn't play with the occult,probably not."

spoken like a true former witch, that's true.

"Define "demonized." full on possession is a rare thing"

yes very, very, very rare. I can't define it but I know it when I see it.
I only saw it once in person and the guy was fully possessed.

Might be the real deal but I was not there in person.

basic oppression from a curse

5:35 (IsItCrashing)....

I'm no economist either, but I'm betting this is a long-overdue correction. Corrections are normal, and in this deflationary, sluggish, slowing world economy, it was bound to happen. It may even go further yet before flattening out. Also, remember to look at percentages, and not just absolute numbers. 800 points in two days starting from 16,000 or 17,000 or whatever it was at is less of a drop percentage-wise than if it would have been at 10,000.

I do think an economic collapse is probably the first major "hit" we (America) will take.

A question that needs asking: Who is set to take advantage most from a US economic collapse? Bankers? Makes no sense. Not monetarily, anyway. POWER-wise, perhaps. This is what Christine and Susanna have argued. I have yet to be convinced of that, but I'm not ruling it out.

I guess we need to define what kind of power advantage we are talking about. Political power? Not so likely. Military power? More likely. I would say that the military alliance that is against us has been preparing economically to ride out whatever storm would come from our economy collapsing, and therefore would be the most likely culprits to hasten that event. They probably have the means to even precipitate it.

The Russia-China-Iran-etc axis has been planning a switch in the world's reserve currency for quite some time now, and have their own "currency basket" (backed by a lot of gold that they've been buying up) ready to be the one everyone switches to once the dollar collapses. This will be how the "power center" of the world will go from West to East, which is something they've been wanting to do for generations now. They've been wanting to change the world's power structure from unipolar to multipolar, and from there, maybe back to unipolar again, with them in the lead this time, and not the US.

Whoever controls the currency that everyone considers the "most real", is the one able to exert the "most real" power. To a certain extent, anyway. At some point, whoever has the most weapons (especially nuclear ones) is the one with the most power. Power to blackmail, for one. Guns and bullets trumps money when it comes to war. Most "money" by now is all electronic, and until you turn it into something tangible, it has no real value, only potential value.

Some final, random thoughts:

I find the thoughts of Europe gaining power and the Euro replacing the dollar to be laughable. The Euro is in so much trouble right now, I'm amazed that the Eurozone hasn't completely collapsed yet. I'm not sure what's holding it together! The ONLY WAY a New Age dictatorship will come out of Europe is if the US, Russia, China, and all the rest of the notable non-European nations kill each other off and somehow Europe escapes the fracas. Not very likely, in my book.

An EMP attack (or some kind of massive cyberattack that would achieve about the same thing) on the US I'd put right up there near the top of the list as a likely trigger event to collapse our economy. That's probably as close as you could get to a "flip the switch" scenario. If something like a nuclear exchange would occur, most electronics would be wiped out, which means that most of what we call "money" would just disappear. And only real assets from that point on really matter.

An interesting thing to look into would be to see what nations are the most "hardened" against a nuclear attack. It used to be us, or perhaps us and Russia on about an equal level during the Cold War. That is not the case anymore. They have substantially hardened their country in both military and civilian spheres, but we have, if anything, lessened our ability to withstand a nuclear attack. When was the last time you participated in a Civil Defense drill? (I don't even think it's called Civil Defense anymore...)

Because of that fact alone, the odds of Russia attacking the US in a first strike are higher now than they were during the Cold War. Of course, the game they play is still to use proxies to fight their wars, like all the terrorists they have trained down through the years, which FAR OUTNUMBER the ones we have trained, regardless of what a certain regular commenter might say to the contrary....
bankers and any smart rich ALWAYS gain from a crash in any category, because they
can buy up land, stock and businesses for pennies on the dollar that then
become much more valuable later.

this shemitah idea, which is false by the way because the seven year cycle that
is observable does not create a land Sabbath or any kind of debt release in itself
(bankruptcy is not built into it and does not apply to some things like student
loans), might be being engineered for some reason.

there IS a seven approximate year cycle in crashes from 1929 to now. HOWEVER the
only reason the one due starting late this year or next year is due instead of
past by a couple of years, is the artificial propping up by quantitative easing.

this might be a coincidence. and it might be that someone has something to gain
(aside from make more money selling more gold as a probably useless hedge on this)
from people buying into the shemitah concept. and it wouldn't be Jews though it
might involve a twisted steal from the OT. In its present huckstering, yes, the
shemitah idea is obviously OT based though not a match.

bearing in mind that the evangelical especially charismatic scene is sold out to
the rich and powerful and kingdom of this world type thinking and identification,
whoever is back of this is counting on swinging that power bloc in a direction they
You really don't get prophecy, do you Ms. Erikson?
You are so tangled in the web of your thinking that you are not doing any believing.
The hour is very, very late for the world. Everything is ramped up for the final blowout. Economics is merely one portion of what is going down.
I won't waste my time explaining.
You will either read the Word of God, and take it as the authority, or you won't-likely won't.
You are your own authority according to your own posts.
That is a huge thumbs down for what is coming up dead ahead.
anon 11:9

you are very wrong. what am not doing believing in is the results of the
tangled web of yours and others thinking built on a house of cards by
various interpreters whose interpretations are taken as being the words
of God Himself. Not believing your take on things is not the same as not
believing in God and his Word. and if you are expecting a pre tribulation
any moment Rapture you are not listening to God's Word, 2 thessalonians chapter
two was written to reassure people who thought such was the case and had
happened already, that this had not happened because it CANNOT happen.

the any moment situation only applies to those who are in the last stretch
of the antichrist's persecution of the Church, aka the tribulation.

I do take the Word of God as authority, enough to notice that the angel
said FOUR kingdoms would arise after Daniel, not three kingdoms. and
four rules out the four beasts being a rehash of the statue, because Daniel
was living in the time of the statue head, so there should have been three
beasts not four, or else the angel should have said all but one are THREE
kingdoms to come after you.

And taking God at His word, results in https://www.dropbox.com/s/wl6toyi0lmqru2j/Daniel%20chapter%207%20and%20the%20twenty%20first%20century%20AD.pdf?dl=0
I figure we got minimum 10 or 20 years, maximum 487 or 587 years to go.

so get to work evangelizing.
"bankers and any smart rich ALWAYS gain from a crash in any category, because they
can buy up land, stock and businesses for pennies on the dollar that then
become much more valuable later."

A good example of something that sounds good in theory, but in practice isn't quite like the way you described it. For one thing, NEVER use absolutes.... ;^)

Look at the Great Depression, for example. You say bankers ALWAYS gain from a crash in any category, and I would assume that the Great Depression fits your definition of a crash. According to the article linked to below (and a host of others that had roughly the same numbers), "Between 1929 and 1933, 10,763 of the 24,970 commercial banks in the United States failed." That's not even close to "always gain". 43% of the bankers then were left with NO pennies with which to buy land, etc.



Your material is BRILLIANT, as usual!

IMHO, Bob Larson gave as much or more disinformation as he gave information on the occult. I'll talk about that on my radio program some day very soon.

anon 11:52

when I say bankers I don't mean local banks. I am talking the big ones and
individuals. there is some reason to believe the whole thing was engineered.


an overview of the subject. setting MINIMUM prices is a ridiculous idea it should
be MAXIMUM price levels set. (don't argue with me about the free market I haven't
time for it)

"The 1929 stock market crash was beneficial for some speculators, however. Jesse Livermore correctly predicted the crash and shorted stocks to profit from the decline, earning him over 100 million dollars. Joseph Kennedy, President John F. Kennedy’s father, sold his stocks before the 1929 stock market crash and kept millions of dollars of profit. Kennedy decided to sell his stocks because he overheard shoeshine boys and other novices speculating on stocks, leading him to believe that the stock market had been experiencing a speculative bubble." http://www.thebubblebubble.com/1929-crash/


"I figure we got minimum 10 or 20 years, maximum 487 or 587 years to go.

so get to work evangelizing."

Already do. And I give the pure and simple Gospel, not bone dry denominational "facts" to "convince" them.
Your timing is no good.
But you'll see it soon enough. That is, if you wake up......you better get some oil in your lamp, dearie.
And I'm not pre-trib either, so you got that one wrong also.
some denominations teach the pure and simple Gospel better than others. Some provide
better and more insights from the bible on growing in Jesus Christ than others.
"but you'll see it soon enough"

are you talking tribulation or the Jade Helm 15 thing gone live? or confusing the
two? the unexamined premise in a lot of this hysteria is that America is somehow
identifiable as a chosen nation or new Israel or something, even if not consciously
held, so somehow the antichrist is going to be appearing any minute because stuff
we are not used to hearing about is going on, or because some new abomination like
gay marriage legalization just occurred.

these are legitimate issues, but should be viewed outside of such misequations as
something in Revelation relates to something in America. we take ourselves too

yeah, we could get invaded easily. Frankly I give more credence to the huge flock
of starlings briefly taking the form of Putin's face over some east coast city
than efforts to read America into prophecy.

The whole idea of news updates relating to prophecy and weekly prophecy going on
(aside from prophetic words which are false 99.99% of the time) is pretentious
and stupid. prophecy works itself out slowly. if something is going on leading
up to a prophesied event, it isn't something you can breathlessly track every day
or every week like that disgusting Jack van Impe and his revolting wife.
2017 begins the Great Tribulation.
It ends in 2025, which is 6000 years since Adam and Eve.

Thank you for your kind words. I am so very sorry to learn of the death of one of your closest personal friends. I will be keeping you and your friend's family in my prayers.


Russell Targ's shoddy work on the "physics of psi" was well debunked by James Randi in his book FlimFlam, in the chapter "The Laurel and Hardy of Psi" about Targ's work with Harold Puthoff.


No Christine, all I am saying is "Watch!" Open your eyes (and the eyes of your heart) and watch like Jesus told us to do.
It is not mine to parse every single everything and get lost in that swamp, spinning my wheels, distracted by that rather than what should be happening (changing inside) and outside of me. And God saying: while you are busy watching ME be God, be saying and doing this, etc, etc, (in the day to day) in anticipation of His soon coming.

Paul's timeline is much more in keeping with the times we are in.
But go on ahead and be consumed with everything but God's focus if you want. I want to make sure my lamp is filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit. Ready!!!
My eyes are lifted up and my heart tender, living in praise and thanks because the time draws near, so staying in the Word and praying, also to keep short accounts with the Lord and see my neighbor in his need-look to his concerns-sharing Jesus with those who are perishing and whatever else is on that plate.
the LORD is at hand.
He has told us all things before it happens and if we take Him seriously we don't have to be caught unaware.
Just say'n...........
Cristine, you have a very closed mind.

It is a trap.


Here is some information about Marianne Williamson's run for the congressional seat of now retired Congressmen and Socialist Henry Waxman in her 2014 candidacy for California's 33rd Congressional District.......Yoga fundraisers and all.

One More Miracle: Marianne Williamson Wants Henry Waxman's Job
22 Oct 2013 .
Written by Joseph Mailander

Marianne Williamson, New-Age Guru, Seeks Congressional Seat
By IAN LOVETTNOV. 13, 2013

....As with most celebrity candidates, she is facing questions about why she is running, particularly against someone she disagrees with so little.

Mr. Waxman pointedly noted the lack of differences in a written statement, signaling a potential weakness in her challenge.

“I’m gratified Ms. Williamson thinks I’m doing a good job and agrees with me on most issues,” he said. “And while some think it would make more sense for her to challenge a Republican and help us regain control of the House, I respect her right to run.”
...read entire article...


Marianne Williamson's spiritual path into political realm
January 13, 2014

Williamson said she discovered the set (A COURSE IN MIRACLES) on someone's coffee table when she, like many of her generation, was searching her way through the social turmoil of the time. As a Jew, she said, she was initially put off by the Christian references but eventually came to appreciate the work and, in 1983, began giving talks on it at the Philosophical Research Society in Los Feliz.
read entire article......



It is to be noted that in 2009, after Barack Obama was elected President, the Socialist Party of America felt confident enough to announce in their October 2009 newsletter that 70 Congressional democrats currently belong to their caucus. Among them is none other than Henry Waxman!





At the following link is a more updated list.


Marianne Williamson, California's New Age Contender for Congress
By Karl Taro Greenfeld April 10, 2014



Campaign FAQs


A: How to Host a Yoga Fundraiser

In 2014, the Democratic Socialists of America - L.A. advertised an Event on their website called the "DSA-LA Open Planning Meeting." Below the heading the article reads:

Possible appearance by Marianne Williamson, Independent candidate for 33rd US Congressional district

◾Video: Recent candidate forum at Emeritus College in Santa Monica of candidates for 33rd district to succeed Henry Waxman: Ted Lieu, Wendy Greuel, Marianne Williamson.


Dear Physicist, 10:52,

Re: Russell Targ's shoddy work on the "physics of psi" was well debunked by James Randi in his book FlimFlam, in the chapter "The Laurel and Hardy of Psi" about Targ's work with Harold Puthoff.

Thank you Physicist! I am going to have to check that book out.

I had formerly believed that Russell Targ was a New Age quack pretending to be a legitimate scientist before his work was debunked. James Randi's work clinches it.

I must say that I was a little surprised when I recently learned that rocket scientist Werner von Braun whom NASA has called the "Father of Rocket Science" was seriously interested in Targ's work; that he himself (von Braun)claimed to have had a psychic grandmother; and his assurance that "anyone might increase their capacity for ESP with a consistent practice of a quiet mind."

But then, given the story about rocket engineer Jack Parsons and his affiliation with Aleister Crowley and L. Ron Hubbard, I guess it is a tad naïve to assume that von Braun would not have been interested in all things paranormal - especially if he were among those handpicked by Abraham Veriede and included in Vereide's little group of recycled Nazis.


Nobody would ever have heard of Parsons but for his bit part in Hubbard's life. Whereas von Braun... take a look at one of Western Civ's most remarkable pics:




If Parsons hadn't been such an embarrassment that he was quietly sidelined by the
JPL historians, everyone would have heard of him, because he founded the Jet Propulsion
Laboratory. The moon crater named after him is one on the dark side of the moon,
maybe a kind of joke but also a testimony to his being an embarrassment. Not only
for the public occultism, these kinds of interests being nothing unusual at NASA
as Mike Bara has shown by noting the kind of naming and odd choices of timing of
launches and so forth, but because of the nature of his experiments and perverted
parties, one of which included a guy getting raped, but Parsons talked his way
out of the accusations when the police got involved.

Susanna, the whole Nazi scene was rife with occultism, and von Braun was not a
peripheral but a dedicated Nazi and was the one at Peenemunde who decided who lived
and who died. The records on the Nazis were whitewashed (though the redacted files
were tagged and the original buried files found by John Loftus and others later)
to make them legal to enter the US.

Paul, that 6,000 year thing is nowhere in the Bible. It was a speculation of some
early Church Father, nothing more. Even so, if you go by Bishop Ussher's calculation
of creation at 4004 BC, time ran out in AD 2003. So that speculation was wrong.
I forgot to add, that the Tribulation can't begin until the antichrist has been
in power for 3 1/2 years, the second 3 1/4 years beginning in the middle of his
fourth year is the Tribulation. The antichrist isn't publicly here. And Daniel
7 shows he will arise out of a world empire that has conquered three others
contemporary to it, and apparently run by a triumvirate that he displaces. Such
a thing doesn't even exist yet.

the four beasts are not a rehash of the statue, because the angel says that these
are four kingdoms that will arise after Daniel. If these were the same as those
of the statue the angel would have said three kingdoms, because Daniel was living
in the time of the first kingdom.
oops, second 3/14 should read second 3 1/2.
Not so fast Miss, No authority whatsoever.
A day is as a 1000 years and a 1000 years as a day in God's realm. (where there is no time).
For each creation day 1000 years is represented. Check that out before you speak up.
God rested on the 7th day. The earth will get it's rest from all this groaning under the weight of sin and evil when the Prince of Peace comes to put the foe in chains and let all rest for a 1000 years.
Things are soon coming to a crescendo, and just as planned, God will be right on time.
The times of the gentiles are coming to fullness, and their finish.
It is fine to question all these things, but your flat out telling people they are wrong, when you know zero about the topic, is just like you.

Somebody gotcha nailed! You do have a very closed mind. That is the actual wrong you should be addressing.
How do you know all those things are not currently going on right under your nose, Cristine?
You aren't even watching.

Many things are hidden in plain sight.
anon 12:58

I know all that but it has no bearing on determining the second coming.

the attempt to make such a calculation is not the kind of biblical deduction like
God made physical universe therefore since He said it is good it is good and we
should be suspicious of anything that says physical material is bad and goes on
to deny the Incarnation on that basis. or deny our eventual resurrection on that

this is strictly a SPECULATION by an INDIVIDUAL who WAS NOT IN THE BIBLE and who
followed a kind of poetic structure ASSUMPTION about history itself likely the

And 6 days = 6,000 years might add up to each day was a thousand years long,
which gives room for theistic evolution of some sort.

but it doesn't add up to "if this then that" regarding timing of the second coming
because there is nothing to establish this as relevant. only guesswork. it does
not automatically follow that God will bring the fallen situation to a close
in 6,000 years.

Bishop Ussher's 4004 BC date which might be wrong, is 6,018 years ago, bearing in
mind that there is no "year zero."
also the 1,000 year respite from evil is a bad analogy, because after that ends
and there is a brief reappearance of evil, that evil is destroyed and everything
goes on without evil forever.

Parsons was one of several people who founded JPL when it was small, and they kicked him out long before it grew big. He was no von Braun.


I did not say that there would be no sin on the earth during the 1000 year reign of Christ. His rod of iron will forthrightly tackle that and keep the peace. And when the devil is released for that brief time, yes, for all time the whole thing of sin and evil (and those who choose that over Christ), will go away to the lake of fire.
Stick to the subject.
There is a biblical model in creation itself that is worth looking at but who cares if you do or don't? I don't.

You keep kicking out stuff to prolong this and keep yourself occupied. Don't you have a bed to make and a house to clean or do the dishes stack up for weeks till your housekeeper comes?

"I did not say that there would be no sin on the earth during the 1000 year reign of Christ. His rod of iron will forthrightly tackle that and keep the peace."

the big deal evil will be out of it for a time and the remaining evil just human
unenhanced by anything occult or demonic.

and the very fact that some kind of enforcement will be needed and going on, shows
that this is NOT a Sabbath exactly.

"Stick to the subject."

I am sticking to the subject. the whole post shows the origin of this idea, which
is patently wrong, the idea is not biblical merely an effort to loosely deduce
something from the bible.

"There is a biblical model in creation itself that is worth looking at but who cares if you do or don't? I don't."

I already looked at it a long time ago. Biblical models are loose not mechanistic
exact. you haven't dealt with the fact that the time proposed ran out in AD 2007.

"You keep kicking out stuff to prolong this and keep yourself occupied. Don't you have a bed to make and a house to clean or do the dishes stack up for weeks till your housekeeper comes? "

no I am answering error. I am not kicking out stuff to keep busy.

it is you who keep kicking out starry eyed stuff that you think is solid biblical
because it draws on something in the Bible.

Where in the Bible does it say creation process and timing is itself a model? and it doesn't take that long to do this. and the cleaning lady doesn't do windows or dishes. she's a cleaning lady not a maid the latter do a lot more.

what happens when nothing happens in 2017 other than the normal disasters and wars
Jesus warned would happen? Crustal displacement even physical axis flip and
tsunamis, thermonuclear war, destruction of America or nearly so are just "sorrows"
not the big deal.

are you going to start some new cult that spiritualizes everything so that somehow
we are in the tribulation but its invisible or something?

how are you going to deal with people who thought the Bible itself said this and
since it was false the whole Bible is called into question, over something it never
said in the first place?
"how are you going to deal with people who thought the Bible itself said this and
since it was false the whole Bible is called into question, over something it never
said in the first place?"
Not my job. Certainly not yours, either.
Put the Scripture (and/or a teaching) out there and let people read and study and ask of the Spirit to know how to rightly divide the Word of God without the constant input (from you especially).
Yeah, this is your busy "work".
Go clean your house and be a good witness of Him in your life and let God do His job, will ya?


"in 1934 he united with Forman and graduate student Frank Malina to form the Caltech-affiliated GALCIT Rocket Research Group, supported by Guggenheim Aeronautical Laboratory chairman Theodore von Kármán. In 1939 they gained funding from the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) to work on Jet-Assisted Take Off (JATO) for the U.S. military. In 1942 they founded Aerojet to develop and sell their JATO technology in response to American involvement in World War II; the Group became JPL in 1943....As the U.S. became aware that Nazi Germany had developed the V-2 rocket, the military—following recommendations from von Kármán based upon research using British intelligence—placed a renewed impetus on its own rocket research, reinstating Qian to the GALCIT project. They gave the Group a $3 million grant to develop rocket-based weapons, and the Group was expanded and renamed the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL).[100] By this point the Navy were ordering 20,000 JATOs a month from Aerojet, and in December 1944 Haley negotiated for the company to sell 51% of its stock to the General Tire and Rubber Company to cope with the increased demand. However, Aerojet's Caltech-linked employees—including Zwicky, Malina and Summerfield—would only agree to the sale on the condition that Parsons and Forman were removed from the company, viewing their occult activities as disreputable. JPL historian Erik M. Conway also attributes Parsons' expulsion to more practical concerns: he "still wanted to work in the same way as he'd done in his backyard, instinctive and without regard for safety".[72] Parsons and Forman were unfazed, informing Haley of their prediction that the rocket industry would become obsolete in the postwar age and seeing more financial incentive in starting a chain of laundromats. Haley persuaded them to sell their stock, resulting in Parsons leaving the company with $11,000.[101] With this money he bought the lease to 1003, which had come to be known as "the Parsonage" after him.[102]"

not exactly a kick out more of a shove and persuasion. Parsons' occult interests
included antiquity and this played a role in developing rocket fuel from ideas
involving Greek fire (can't recall the source).
"In a letter to Malina, von Kármán ranked Parsons first in a list of figures he viewed as most important to modern rocketry and the foundation of the American space program.[198] According to Richard Metzger, Wernher von Braun—who was nicknamed "The Father of Rocket Science"—once argued that Parsons was more worthy of this moniker.[113] In October 1968 Malina gave a speech at JPL in which he highlighted Parsons' contribution to the U.S. rocket project, and lamented how it had come to be neglected, crediting him for making "key contributions to the development of storable propellants and of long duration solid propellant agents that play such an important role in American and European space technology."[199]"


von Karman claimed to be a descendant of the rabbi in Prague who made the golem


Martin And Larson left out the ISIS cult of RCC and I expect Constance can't do much better under Susanna's spell. Walter Keith does a good job connecting dots.
anon 1:02

what things are you referring to as going on unnoticed by me? if you mean the four
beasts, several other people have identified the eagle winged lion as Britain-America
I would include American puppet NATO, the bear as Russia (notice the ribs in the mouth,
which would at first glance appear to be victims but it is THE RIBS that say "arise,
devour much flesh," so they are not victims as portrayed by others but encourage it.
Crimea and South Ossetia come to mind. I think once eastern Ukraine has its act
together enough to be a viable nation state like Crimea briefly was, it will
repeat its request to be taken in by Russia and this time the request will be granted.
That will probably be the third rib, and Russia will go on the march in response
to cries for help and revenge by its acquisitions.

The four non eagle fowl winged and four headed leopard has me puzzled, I think the
best bets are China, with a not yet existent Kurdistan as a really close match.
If Turkey gets kicked out of NATO Russia will probably strike and mop up the floor
with it, and with Chinese backing also Kurdistan (in Turkey Syria and northern Iraq
and MAYBE the western Iranian part) will have its nation state condition.

These three will then be crushed and trampled by a fourth kingdom that will
conquer what's left of USA, Russia, and China (or Kurdistan which will have become
a power in the Middle East to be reckoned with) and go on to rule the world for an
uncertain length of time. ten kings or rulers would be the lifetime but how long
each reign would be is another matter. Or it could be ten regional administrative

In the former case, in the time of the eighth ruler there will be a triumvirate,
the last three horns, and the antichrist the little horn will displace them. Or, in
the latter case, the little horn will take over three administrative regions,
which are perhaps the top regions ruling the rest, and thereby gain control of most
of the world. in the middle of his fourth year (3 1/2 years in) he will declare himself
god and start the Great Tribulation.

Daniel's prophecy on this ends with the Second Coming, because unlike the end of
the statue dream of Nebuchadnezzar, where the Kingdom of God is set up, its
beginning and establishment, the Kingdom of God comes into full power, and books are opened and there is Judgement Day. The whole thing telescoped, with more detail
in Revelation.

I think the fourth beast kingdom will come from north Africa, where a lot of trouble
came from in early Christian times, both anathematized heretical and trends of
thought not technically heretical but twisting Scripture and creating excesses
like predestination with Augustine and his and Tertullian's ascetic extremism
against second marriages even in the case of widowhood, and Augustine arguing that
a woman kept as wife for love and pleasure not childbearing was nothing but a
legal prostitute, despite Paul saying that avoiding fornication was the reason to
be married, nothing about children. Paul even said that family life was a distraction
(potentially at least) from God.
"This would not have disgusted me and upset my spirit had it been a book on any OTHER theological subject. But because it was a book which claimed to expose as false everything that claimed to be Christian but was not; and had failed to expose the MOTHER of them all, it greatly grieved me." from the Walter Martin compromise
with RC article.

Rome is not the mother of most of the cults Kingdom of the Cults (which I read) dealt with.

Protestantism is. Especially American Protestantism, in some cases laced with
metaphysics, in other cases derived from the restoration movement which spawned
the more respectable Church of Christ and Christian Church as well as the Russellites and their downline Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventism, and
Mormonism. Excepting the flat out Christ denying cults that don't pretend as the
others do to represent Him or "correctly" interpret Him, most of the cults have
a protestant pedigree.
MCE, refute Walter Veith's view on the RCC since his research is well documented. I find it difficult to catch his deception in these lectures. I am sure you can find it.



"The term emergent church was also used in 1981 by Catholic political theologian, Johann Baptist Metz for use in a different context." Brian McClaren and Billy Grahm can be linked to the RCC.


Most of the pastors are Masons and the 1798 book by John Robinson clearly states that as a member of the Masonic order he witnessed the Jesuits take over the Masonic lodges to route out all established religions and overturn the governments of Europe. The emergent church is universal.
should read:

quote from above link, SPACE then

Brian McClaren and Billy Grahm can be linked to the RCC.
"Most of the pastors are Masons and the 1798 book by John Robinson clearly states that as a member of the Masonic order he witnessed the Jesuits take over the Masonic lodges to route out all established religions and overturn the governments of Europe. The emergent church is universal."

I'll get to the videos later, but if this is typical of it, there is a problem.
the Masonic-Jesuit relationship is more a matter of masons infiltrating them than
vice versa. Some very good research blames this for John 23 and other matters.

RC wants to have one religion, itself. naturally. that's what it does, since it is
amillennialist and thinks we are in the millennium now, and all that in Revelation
is symbolic instead of now is a foretaste of later. postmillennialism is amillennialism
on steroids.

emergent is trying to infiltrate Catholicism via the charismatic infection, which
was ecumenist before anyone else was. Do a search on "Mr. Pentecost" David Johannes du Plessis.

Odd thing about this guy, his parents names are unknown, except for his mother's
maiden name, Kriel. No genealogy site has anything on these except one, which is
actually giving the specs on his son. something is being hidden.

Charismaticism crossed all denominational lines (even into some Armenian "Orthodox" and a slight show in Eastern ORthodox but not much except maybe in Romania) and
emergent church uses the warped version of bible reading and prayer that RC
monastics developed in the Middle Ages, so the worst of RC comes into "Protestantism" if
you can call that subjectivist category that, since Protestantism was typified by
a bible focus, however mishandled it TRIED to be objective. not experience based.
So now, the worst of RC plus charismaticism fields back into RC.
I see this as RC's effort to save souls by getting them back on track with the pope
as backfiring into heretical and demonic influenced infiltration en masse into
them, far worse than the doctrinal issues you RC bashers complain of.
the video won't load right now, but a quick glance at yahoo tells me this Veith guy
invented the idea that Rome created Islam.

Which is nonsense. Rome had no play in the Arabian peninsula, and no authority
anywhere in the Eastern Roman empire regions in the time frame of mohammed peace be NOT upon his name.

They had nothing to gain by such a thing, and their own turf suffered from Islamic
attacks which occupied parts of Italy at one point. Islamic armies were turned back
at Vienna and the Pyrennes I think and did hold once Catholic Spain then were
kicked out and Spain was Catholic again. This whole idea of RC making Islam is proof
of how insane you get when all you can see is RC equal whore of Babylon.

The first extended quote from Wikipedia you give clearly backs up my view of Parson's importance rather than yours. As for the "father of rocket science", Goddard in the USA and Tsiolkovsky in the USSR are far more important figures. You don't say when von Braun and von Karman spoke highly of Parsons; long before von Braun did his great work leading to the moon landings, I suspect. And Parsons himself was glad to get out of rocketry for laundromats.

OK, he made ""key contributions to the development of storable propellants and of long duration solid propellant agents". That means he was one of several significant figures in rocket fuels, but that is only one aspect of rocketry. You need engine designers, materials scientists and many others.

Christine is correct, regarding RC being what spawned Islam. Over 1000 years of history proves otherwise. To even suggest it means you have subscribed to a comic book version of history - one that makes a good read, like pulp fiction, but has no ground in reality. It is escapist at best, and scapegoatish (I made that word up) at worst. By "scapegoatish", I mean that a person sets out to prove what he already knows to be true - that a certain entity is the root of all the world's problems, or all his problems, or all his people's problems. That entity gets the blame for everything.

To set out to prove what you already know to be true is not how one seeks the truth. It is how one sets oneself up for deception.

It is also intellectual laziness.

I find it easy to fall into that mindset, with the ease of access to an overwhelming amount of information on the internet, most of which I take to be produced by scapegoatish people, just going by the context in which it is found.

Short version of the above:

If someone has an ax to grind, their "information" is probably suspect in one way or another (incomplete, incorrect, made-up, etc.)
He said some other guy said RCC started Islam. He did not otiginate the theory and Shoebat did say Islam is a Christian cult due to moham's wife being from a heretical Catholic cult. So some relation is there but I don't defend him here, disgruntled former Catholics are common. I have met many. He was Catholic. Catholic Bishops have special ecumenical agendas with the Muslim Brotherhood. Anti sharia activists are taught to confront the RCC regarding Islam probably to make more chaos.
Islam is a Christian heresy inasmuch as it claims to be in the prophetic revelation
lineage of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, but regards Jesus as merely human. In its
Christology it is a mix of Arianism and Gnosticism. Mohammed peace be NOT on his name
cobbled together a bunch of stuff out of various sources, some Christian (not Roman
jurisdiction but monophysite and heretic arian and gnostic) and a few Jewish sources
but screwed up a lot of bible history. it was a mess. Its been decades since I read
the Koran, but I saw on youtube that it claims that Alexander the Great went to
find where the sun sets, and it sets in a muddy pool in the west. yeah, scientifically
accurate divine revelation NOT.

Rome had nothing to do with anything beyond the Bosporus and the Vatican wasn't
even making temporal power claims and only beginning to try to claim papal supremacy of
rule in all churches, over all the other patriarchates, as distinct from papal
primacy of honor.

This was back in the days when Roman Catholicism as we know it did not exist. It
was still the Orthodox Patriarchate of Rome.
Physicist, he was one of the three who STARTED the JPL I think named something
else and it was supplying important stuff back then. The entire article, and
linked articles to names, are worth reading for historical reasons. Parsons was
allegedly introduced to the OTO by a scientist, but another story has it that it
was some guy named Smith who was not a scientist.

In those good old days, black magick and moral turpitude was viewed as worthy
of getting investigated.

Parsons was also the one who solved the propellant problems. A crater on the back
of the moon is named after him. Meanwhile, Mike Bara in DARK MISSION makes a very
good case that two elements, what he calls masons and magicians, run the show.
I think Veith DID write an excellent book on some other subject, I forget what it is
right now.
Gretchen Passintino wrote for cornerstone mag which published former Jesuit Alberto Rivera's story-again: out of chaos comes order- so in conclusion whether true or not true these stories make conflict among people. Alberto seems to blame Jesuits not sure if he means RCC. Not sure if Veith from S. Africa knows about Passintino etc. Still he should do his research.

"The protest in Ferndale on Saturday was part of a national day of protest that saw demonstrations happen at Planned Parenthood offices and abortion clinics all around the country.

But at this protest, it was the sight of a demonstration by the Satanic Temple of Detroit..."

That's the Detroit girlfriend of the guy at Harvard who started that website, that Satanic Temple/ Harvard art project from the cognitive science dept. She was a starving artist with a -look at my girl parts- website. We make policy in MI and MO based on university man gods and CIA plots.

OK but Susanna can't validate this level of blasphemy. Holy Cow. And Veith's books sell for up to $199. On Amazon and a seasoned researcher like me knows that price means it's got truth that is hard to find. If he is still alive that says a lot.

More than people may think.


The above link if the pdf for the anti-shariah activist (this is the Muslim --protocols of Arabia ---if you like I shall coin them) he must understand that on page 32 he can find the list of known Muslim Brotherhood groups. The top of the umbrella is ISNA, we now Ingrid was in charge of them for a time, but we know where She is more comfortable,at the Theosophical society:

Expect the tides to turn against faithful Christian Zionists beware of things like this, Ingrid warns Jews about you:


Bishops work with MB, but why I ask, can they not do a simple google search? How many emails have they received from anti Shariah activists for the a past ....maybe four years?? http://www.isna.net/midwest-muslim-catholic-dialogue.html

Of course Islam can resemble Mormonism, can resemble Jesuit-Catholicism and this reminds me of Vieth's conclusions. I am not going to post the photo of Hitler with the Mufti of Palestine, otherwise know as the head of the Muslims Brotherhood, you can google that. This relationship with Catholicism and Islam is questionable or obvious, you decide. I am still thinking about it.
Anonymous 8:34P.M.

Re:OK but Susanna can't validate this level of blasphemy. Holy Cow.

LOL You are correct. I cannot "validate" such false and malicious statements, but I can certainly refute them.

These frequently-cited quotes are, for the most part, fakes, originating in anti-catholic writings, and repeatedly regurgitated as if they were genuine.

The ones that are not outright fakes are taken out of context - the 18th century equivalent of photoshopping to make it look as if someone said something that is the opposite of what they actually said.

The Pope's real title is Vicar of Christ. The meaning of the word vicar is "representative" or "agent."

Nevertheless, a favorite anti-Catholic pastime is trying to prove that Catholics have claimed that the "Pope is God." Anti-Catholics do this by showing various quotes from (supposedly) "Catholic" works which show a Pope or a Cleric proclaiming that the Pope is either equivalent to and/or is God Himself in the flesh.

Their equally anti-Catholic disciples lick their chops with glee at the prospect of confounding uninformed Catholics with comments like, "Come on, these guys have their proof and even provide citations for them! How can you refute these claims?"

Nevertheless, in spite of all the "citations" they have managed to dig up in support of their false claims, merely providing citations is not enough in many cases. One must also show the statement in question in context (cherry-picking one phrase and interpreting it removed from its context is not only intolerable but it is also sloppy scholarship), show other related works (if possible) that corroborate the statement, and always provide correct citations.

If the Church teaches that the Pope is God in human form, then why doesn't a statement similar to that one appear in the Catechism, where just about all things that Catholics believe in are written? And be sure that if there is any evidence to the contrary, that it is published in the official Catechism and not in local ones.


Now, let's check out one of the aforementioned 'quotes.'

1.) These words are written in the Roman Canon Law 1685: "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." Father A. Pereira says: "It is quite certain that Popes have never approved or rejected this title 'Lord God the Pope,' for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome in 1580 by Gregory XIII."

Looks quite believable doesn't it? Yet the problems with this quote are:

1.) Pope Gregory XIII's Canon Law was published in 1582, not 1580 (though this is not necessarily a major issue).

2.) António Pereira de Figueiredo (1761-1797) was a priest in Lisbon who published many works, including a translation of the Bible and a work entitled Tentativa Theologica (first published in 1766; it is in this work where this quote supposedly appears), in which he attacked the Papal predominancy in Portugal. The work was then translated in Latin, Spanish and Italian and sparked a controversy; eventually because of this, Pereira was excommunicated.

3.) All that Fr. Pereira says is that the passage in the gloss referred to (in other words, the passage that is referred to in the gloss) appears in the Canon Law edition. He does not say that the gloss itself appears in this edition of the Canon Law (and it doesn't). Ergo, if someone were to write a false statement in relation to another written work anywhere, it would hardly affect the truth of the referenced written work itself!

You might want to check out the following:




Here is a copy of Tentativa Theologica online (in English).




The problem passages in question are: pages 129, 130,131, and the notes on page 180 and 181, where the problem quote appears.
The Dark Fantasy World of Walter Veith

31 October 2011 | Ron Osborn


Under Investigation for Antisemitism, Walter Veith Banned in Churches by European Adventist Leaders

5 December 2012 | Alexander Carpenter


Walter Veith has also been repeating several of Alberto Rivera's anti-Catholic claims cites him by name in his videos.


Alberto Rivera (Born September 19, 1935 in Spain – Died June 20, 1997 in Oklahoma) was a Spanish-American fundamentalist Christian evangelist significant in the extreme anti-Catholic wing of Protestantism.


He also claimed to have been a former Catholic priest himself, until he learned of the Vatican's plans for world domination. The story goes like this: Alberto Rivera attended Catholic seminary, where the Jesuits trained him to infiltrate Protestant churches to destroy them. He also learned the Vatican was responsible for, among other things, the Nazis, Communism, Freemasonry, the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln, and the Holocaust, that nuns who got pregnant secretly sacrificed their newborns to Mary, and other similarly bizarre claims. Upon learning these things he denounced the Catholic Church, and was forcibly placed in a mental institution by the Jesuits for doing so. Near death from abuse in the mental facility, he escaped from Spain to London to rescue his sister from a convent, also near death from self-flagellation (supposedly practiced in the nunnery), and they fled to the United States.

The reality

In reality, his claims to have been a Catholic priest and his other claims have been thoroughly disproven. Indeed, those who checked out his claims found instead that he had a long history of swindling, was wanted in Spain on those charges, and,while in the U.S., had collected money for a Spanish college which never received the money. Nonetheless, in the U.S. he started a "ministry" called the Antichrist Information Center to expose the Catholic Church. His sister was not a nun, but was working in London as a live-in maid. He also blamed the Vatican for things that happened after he allegedly left the Catholic Church, such as the Jonestown mass suicide. He eventually hooked up with Jack Chick, who created several comic books based on his claims (Alberto, Double Cross, The Godfathers, The Force, Four Horsemen, and The Prophet). Chick continues to promote Rivera's story as true.

Alberto Rivera was also a King James Only advocate, and claimed all other Bible translations were created by the Jesuits to deceive Protestants or were translated from manuscripts corrupted by the Vatican. He (along with John Todd, who claimed modern translations were funded by the Illuminati) appear to be the sources of Jack Chick's own conversion to King James Onlyism.


Note that Walter Veith is also a King James Onlyist.

Veith is also a disgruntled ex-Catholic.

I suppose that in spite of Veith's rabid anti-Catholicism, I can still find it in my heart to feel compassion for him - especially if it is true that he was brought up with certain beliefs redolent of some of the bogus beliefs propagated by priests like Fr. Leonard Feeney......according to which Protestants were going to hell in a handbasket JUST for being Protestant.......like 10-year-old Veith's dying mother who happened to be a Lutheran married to a Roman Catholic. Veith claims to have become an atheist because of this at the age of ten.

By the way, Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for peddling such beliefs.
The Veith I was thinking of was Gene Edward Veith, MODERN FASCISM when I said he
wrote a real good book.
anon 10:53

why don't you get into the history of islam from its beginnings to now, and you
will see all friendliness you see now with any other religion is fairly recent,
except for the cooperation of Calvinists with the Turks against RC on a shared
anti idolatry platform, and the bloody minded cooperation from Serbian mercenaries
against Constantinople and I think the Bulgarians in the days the Turks got along
well with the Serbian Church because of the peace terms with defeated St. prince
Lazar's widow who married his sister off to the sultan.

the upsurge in Islamic fundamentalism is simply a return to what was once
business as usual, and any involvement by theosophy or others in beating war
drums is just an exploitation of an existing current in islam that goes back to
earliest times.
" And be sure that if there is any evidence to the contrary, that it is published in the official Catechism and not in local ones." one of the problems may be that
there is a difference between official Catholicism and what I call pop Catholicism.
All kinds of stuff turn up there. And that is why someone who grew up Catholic
can say things that someone who was catechized CAtholic by priests with proper
church training can have rather different ideas about their religion, which only
turn up (both elements assuming each other think and experience the same things)
when the "grew up Catholic" becomes protestant.

once saved always saved, eh?

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

"By which also ye are saved, IF YE KEEP IN MEMORY WHAT I PREACHED UNTO YOU, unless
ye have believed in vain."

I Cor. 15:1, 2.

NKJV "if you hold fast " holding fast is strong hanging onto something. not just
"Christian civilization" nominal or check the questionnaire box as Christian
because you are American and don't identify as some other religion and don't think
about or apply it or really believe the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ or
let this affect your life choices.
1:59 I watched Alberto Rivera and I found him to be over the top more like an actor. However if he was a Jesuit (which have been banned by the RCC in times past) he could easily be a basic trouble maker, and he seems to have been. He did blame the RCC for Islam. I would not think he could ever serve as the basis for real research.

On the other hand, I won't entertain an NIV in my home. We have KJV's and Geneva Bibles. I completely believe the Alexandria manuscripts are corrupted and even Constance admits the NIV crowd had an agenda. Furthermore, here is a video of Emergent Church leader, Darrin Patrick. (acts 29: formerly the potty mouth pastor's group and he was on tour with Rick Warren this summer) Darrin is with some persons who sound not unlike crisis actors we have become so familiar with from multiple false flag operations and sounding very communist in their 'equality' language. Notice he leaves out Galatians and we are all one in Christ Jesus, he could even have discussed Titus but failed to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2-HlWv54_Y

Act 29 follows the Lausanne movement although they scrubbed it from the website it comes up in the google search and other places but is not seen when you click the link. They are obsessed with church planting. I see an urgency to rebuild Grahm's following. Grahm received multiple awards from the Catholics indicating to me that Rome or the Jesuits were in fact behind the united religions movement like the Bishops embrace Islam backed by catechism 841.

Patrick is currently one of the team writers for a ESV version of the counterfeit bibles in Wheaton, IL, not too far from the Theosophical society headquarters. At least one of their local act 29 churches worships on Thurs evening, in a darkened room, blasting repetitive rock songs, taking communion in the back of the room, while a woman walks around taking everybody's photo with an I-pod. The claim Jesus was a peace maker meant to bring everyone together and when I showed a church member the verse that says otherwise, it was obvious she had not read the Bible and then we broke out into small groups for private worship, not before we were told to like them on facebook. No thanks to counterfeit bibles.

Darrin on the ESV

The students used to nickname it the evil satanic version.

Tyndale is (and should be for all Christians) considered a hero. I can see the hand of God in his life and his work.
This Walter Veith video is documented in their own words and he is very careful by using their documents. He should have stopped his enthusiasm there and skipped Alberto's rants. We all far short of the glory of God but he has done some good work.

I totally agree with most criticisms of the modern translations, except the
criticisms I studied online about the NKJV strike me as themselves inadequate.
A classic example is quibbling over the implication of genealogy vs. generation
or some similar word, both mean the same, from the same root, both can mean
by blood or adoption. BTW reading through Genesis this morning, I noticed places
where grandsons were called sons, same issue as calling half brothers brothers.

A very good point is made about the Alexandrian text type, that we don't know
the provenance heretical or what and that even the non heretical would be
translating Greek into Coptic then back into Greek which can make confusion
when you then translate this more into English or whatever. A long time ago
the thought crossed my mind and I think was addressed by someone else, that
the non Byzantine examples could easily have been done by copyists in a
heretical group.

In general, if you don't limit yourself to the verse you complain of, but
look at context immediate and larger (the rest of the Gospel or Epistle)
then no harm is done. But with the tendency to look at verses as standalone
things, a lot of harm can be done.
Again, veith and all his arguments mean nothing, because when you look at
the time frame involved, and at things most protestant writers don't know
or take seriously and that RC likes to minimize, there was no Roman Vatican
presence to be creating Islam in the first place in the Middle East at
that time. And the other Patriarchates had no motive to do such a thing.

Mohammed's start and subsequent history are well known, and blaming a demon
rather than the Vatican is more accurate.
The Apostles' Creed is a statement of belief from the early church (probably from the first few centuries after Jesus' death and resurrection). When the creed states, "I believe in the holy catholic church," it refers to the universal church rather than a specific branch of Christianity. The word catholic comes from the Greek word katholikos which means "universal" or "general."



I am seeing churches join with Rome. How does Susanna explain this away?

what does susanna have to explain away? from her perspective they are "coming
home to Rome" as the saying goes. From my perspective, they are bringing the
charismatic infection even more into RC and I doubt they will abandon their
various heresies and get solidly catechized just make some vague affirmations.
also, Warren McLaren and the Copeland crew probably see this as bringing Rome
under their (to use Orthodox terminology) omophorion instead of vice versa,
which is far worse than just submitting to Rome given their redolent heresies
and warpings. They already have plenty of dubious company in the Roman scene.

The Last Trumpet Is Not On Rosh Hashanah - Chris White
She doesn't.
Here's something to think about:

Perhaps, in these last days (and let's assume they are, for the sake of argument), the Holy Spirit is moving things around a bit.

Is it possible that Catholics and Protestants will, through some move of God, be reunified into one holy communion under the headship of Christ (however that might happen)? Given that something like that would be possible (not easy or simple, I would hazard to guess!) isn't it possible that a "false" unification might take place parallel to the real one?

Is it not true that as long as a person confesses Jesus Christ as Lord, and submits to the leading of the Holy Spirit, they are part of the one, true, universal (catholic small "c") Church of Jesus Christ? I see a time coming soon when congregationalism will fall by the wayside, and true believers will fellowship with one another through the Spirit, out of necessity.

How many of you have participated in anti-abortion rallies and marches? Isn't it wonderful to see Protestants and Catholics working side by side to honor God by protecting innocent life? This, to me, is a small step toward what may be possible.

On the other hand, the move to unite ALL religions by those living on the Dark Side is well underway. They'll start with the more obvious ones, like Catholics unifying with Protestants, and move on from there.

So in essence, there are two "unifications" going on - a real one and a false one. How to tell the difference? Aye, there's the rub. Get on your knees, spend time in the Word, and make sure you are one of His sheep, so you can recognize His voice! He will not lead you astray.

Of course, this is all hypothetical. But is it completely outside the realm of possibility?


"they are anything but open minded and free thinking. Those terms work wonderfully on their behalf as long as we're discussing UFO's, Bigfoot, Time Travel, Ancient Aliens, and other assorted fringe and fortean subject matter. They're even open minded to a greater degree toward religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and of course their favorite Theosophical and New Age spirituality. However, all of that open mindedness vanishes in an onslaught of angry rhetoric, caustic affronts and personal invective when one takes a stand for orthodox Christian theology and a conservative worldview. In short, they become hateful."

"Is it not true that as long as a person confesses Jesus Christ as Lord, and submits to the leading of the Holy Spirit, they are part of the one, true, universal (catholic small "c") Church of Jesus Christ?"

...but do we not also have to love the law and keep the commandments, take communion (not a sun symbol) that means keeping the Sabbath counts to honor God. (but the two churches that do this are not pure by any means) The real Christians are leaving the Catholic church (and I think there are many). You are onto something there, it sounds interesting to me.
Is that that guy who hates Bob Larson, Christine?
anon 9:04

probably, I don't recall, but as usual I am not interested so much in what else someone says as
the information in the particular article here's another
"The real Christians are leaving the Catholic church (and I think there are many)."

Speaking as a lifelong Protestant, I can say that many are leaving the emergent doctrine-infested "super-fun rock band churches" (hat tip to Ann Barnhardt for that quote) with Protestant roots as well. I think true believers are being drawn out of whatever their "home" church has been, in preparation for... something. I don't know what. But I know it's happening.
Jesus said: Follow ME, not follow My followers.
The real church belongs to Jesus not a denomination
Sigh. I always check on the discussions to find more information from your many intelligent readers, but when I come here I find Justine and anonymous are busy bashing Catholic Christians or parsing Christianity with mini quotes out of context.

Please stay on topic folks.

The new age conspiracy is not the same as socialism, but they are fellow travelers. If you believe in the devil, they are all probably following the same spiritual leader But it's not a conspiracy per se as much as fellow travelers.

Years ago, I read a book by Malachi Martin that went in detail about the many groups working for the NWO... his conclusion was that they were not the same and that there was no single conspiracy. Makes one wonder if they will all fight each other when the NWO takes over.

If one of your readers can find it on line, they need to post the link.
"From loons to mainstream so-called “Prophecy experts” (actually there is no such thing as Prophecy Experts) will the Christian community ever learn that most of what they read and buy is half-baked claims and phony analysis that is void of evidence?"


I am dubious about the Islamic antichrist theory, but this article is a perfect
presentation of why I despise most prophecy experts. and you should too.
"The new age conspiracy is not the same as socialism, but they are fellow travelers. If you believe in the devil, they are all probably following the same spiritual leader But it's not a conspiracy per se as much as fellow travelers.....Years ago, I read a book by Malachi Martin that went in detail about the many groups working for the NWO... his conclusion was that they were not the same and that there was no single conspiracy."

Amen, Nancy.

There are competing power struggles, but they all have the Father of Lies and Confusion as their head, and they all think they can make a better world by destroying the current one. To borrow a term from Rael Jean and Erich Isaac, they are the "Coercive Utopians", which I think is a more descriptive term than New World Order for what lies ahead.


Would you be kind enough to comment on CERN and the Hadron Collidor? The subject is being discussed currently by many Watchmen.
Dear 2.44pm,

I'm not sure who you mean by a "Watchman" so I can't google to see what is being said, but the Large Hadron Collider is a routine if vast physics experiment to see what new particles might be found at higher collision energies in the hope of making better sense of the existing pattern of them. Nowadays a lot of science journalists put a New Age spin on such things, but very few scientists do and the prosaic truth is that there is none. If you say more, I'll gladly do the same.


Marko: the only church structure that survives and even thrives under persecution is a fairly non-hierarchical one. Some people think that that is what the New Testament describes, but more relevant to what you say is that if worldwide persecution lops off the hierarchies and destroys the buildings - which are visible to the world - then there will no longer be Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, Methodists etc; there will simply be Christians. God knows exactly what he is doing...

you don't need buildings for hierarchies, and the conspiracies that survived and thrived while still illegal in the 1700s and 1800s were hierarchical with limits
on who knew other members or who was higher in the chain of command than their
immediate commander.

the dislike of hierarchies is a love of anarchy which is not about letting Christ
run things but about letting you run things while you confuse your fleshly leanings
with "the leading of the Holy Spirit."

The Church was describing bishops and suchlike during pagan persecutions, and
the patriarchate system was developed already when some holdover arian persecutions
and iconoclasm persecutions happened.

leaderless resistance only works if you are a bombthrower.

"watchman" refers to people who appoint themselves as "watchmen on the walls" like God appointed Ezekiel or someone, and who without claiming (except sometimes) to
hear from God in Person, tell you what's going to happen, based very loosely on
the Bible.

the concerns about CERN are twofold. from the scientific angle, the possibility vaguely maybe exists that some kind of particle can start a process in the earth's
core that will blow it up. More likely create some chaos but gravity should prevent
reduction to flying boulders.

secondly, the people (especially if interested in UFOs and nephilim hybrids today) are worried that it will open a portal between universes or dimensions and let demons
through in a more physical and hard to deal with condition than the usual manifestations.

"the dislike of hierarchies is a love of anarchy"

Who do you think you are?

I am already, and would much rather be governed by the Holy Spirit from within, than by a hierarchy of men (even those who could be considered godly men but are still just men) from without.
Man governing man always has it's pitfalls.
A person who is governed by the Holy Spirit has no pitfalls to worry about.

MCE, exalt man above God so often and it comes across in your posts.
"the concerns about CERN are twofold. from the scientific angle, the possibility vaguely maybe exists that some kind of particle can start a process in the earth's
core that will blow it up. More likely create some chaos but gravity should prevent
reduction to flying boulders."
Vaguely maybe?
Thank you Christine for that clarification. I'm sure that Physicist is well edified and perhaps a little concerned now that he realizes the dangers of what's going on in Switzerland, thanks to you.
There are brief times, Christine when you sound really rational and not at all narcissistic...
Thank you also for the heads-up regarding Whalid Shoebat who makes more sense of the end times prophesies than you ever have, not to mention that he is sane; but since you doubt him, I'm sure everyone else will too. You Euro-centric take on the Daniel statue is interesting especially since you yourself have stated here that most prophesy commenters are too euro-centric!
But hold that line. Every comment here is either by you, or in response to, your bloated self important pedantic "teachings", to a classroom that doesn't exist.
You are a JAMMER and nothing more.

No risk of the LHC blowing up the world, or of creating wormholes. As for demons, they aren't limited by physics.

Anon@2.44pm, if you say more about what's being said, or point me to a website, I'll gladly say more.


anon 6:07

you are deceiving yourself. the Holy Spirit through Paul told how the Church should
be run. loosely, yes. flexible, yes. but who do you think YOU are to think that
you like Christ alone has all the fullness of The Holy Spirit not given to you
by measure but in entirety and all the fruits of the Holy Spirit in full development
and all His gifts as well?

who do you think you are?

YOU are the one who exalts man rather than God, you exalt YOURSELF. and you are
only human.

Paul in Hebrews said there was change of priesthood not an elimination of priesthood.
PAul also said to be obedient to those who have the rule over you because they have
to make accounting to God for your souls so he was talking about authorities

a person governed by The Holy Spirit has no pitfalls to worry about? does that mean
you think that He directs your every thought and word and deed and you are no longer
human still moving towards perfection but not having it yet?

you are first cousin to some of the worst heretics including murderers and sex
cultists then, because they teach this kind of thing.
"You Euro-centric take on the Daniel statue is interesting especially since you yourself have stated here that most prophesy commenters are too euro-centric!"

excuse me? it is not Eurocentric. As I have said, you HAVE to be IN the Middle
East OR A MAJOR PLAYER in the Middle East to be in prophecy.

Britain set up Israel and USA has backed it, Britain with French help rewrote
the Middle Eastern map itself. That makes them able to qualify as the winged

(another possibility would be Kurdistan of the future as winged lion, because
they often depict themselves as eagles and lions. Iran I think also uses a winged
lion symbol at times, but if this originates from the Medes then it would be
back to the Kurds, heirs of the medes.)

Russia as Bear IS NOT EUROPEAN. Considering anything east of Poland, Austria
and western edge of Ukraine "Europe" is culturally and geographically insane,
and frankly the Balkans don't belong there either. that includes Greece.

Russia is Eurasian in blood and culture and heavily Asian leaning. To qualify as
the bear, and this not refer to some other country, Russia would have to become
a permanent boots on the ground, borders extended to the Euphrates presence in
the Middle East. and it well could do so.

The leopard could be future Kurdistan not European at all, or China, ditto.

The fourth beast would be from north Africa.

where is the eurocentricity there? the only European element is Britain America NATO which qualifies not because of protestant history but because it has shaped
and dominated and directed the Middle East for nearly 100 years and brought Israel
the center of prophecy back to its land.
Anonymous 10:28 A.M.

First of all, I would like to say that if that fraud Alberto Rivera was an ex-Jesuit priest then I'M THE POPE!!!!! That is ALL I have to say about him!


Re:On the other hand, I won't entertain an NIV in my home

I wouldn't entertain one in my home either if I were using a Protestant Bible. And in saying this there is no intention on my part to cast aspersions on Protestant Bibles in general. There are certain "Catholic" Bibles that leave much to be desired as well in their use of "inclusive language," (equality language?) as well as other equally "wooly" language that supposedly makes the Bible more "relevant" and/or "politically correct."

My reason for using a reputable Catholic Bible is because the Catholic and Protestant Old Testament canons are different. The Catholic Old Testament canon is the Septuagint. The Protestant Old Testament canon is the Hebrew Bible.


Re: Grahm received multiple awards from the Catholics indicating to me that Rome or the Jesuits were in fact behind the united religions movement like the Bishops embrace Islam backed by catechism 841.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church 841 reads:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."



In context, this is part of a greater body of teaching on the Church's plan of salvation in general.

Catholics believe that there is but one true Church founded by Christ. The Catholic Church teaches that those who through no fault of their own have not come to know the Gospels but neverhtheless sincerely live to the highest good that they DO know, can be saved - albeit said salvation is exclusively in Christ whether they know it or not. which brings us to that statement by Apostolic Father St. Irenaeus which has been so often misunderstood and misinterpreted:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337


I assume that by "Grahm" you are talking about Billy Graham. In all fairness to Rev. Graham, I must say that while Rev. Graham has promoted authentic ecumenism (not syncretism ) among the Christian communions, for which he has received Catholic awards, I have never seen any evidence that Rev. Graham has ever had any involvement in the promotion of United Religions Initiative.

I can assure you that while certain dissenting priests like former Catholic theologian Hans Kung and ex Dominican priest Matthew Fox support the United Religions Initiative founded by heterodox Episcopal Bishop William Swing who ordained apostate Matthew Fox a "priest" in the Episcopal Church, the Roman Catholic Church does not. I KNOW I would not have anything to do with it.


According to my sources, the Roman Catholic Church is not a member of the World Council of Churches either.

The following article describes official Catholic opposition to URI and mentions certain dissenting Catholic religious who support URI. These religious are in error and do not speak for the Catholic church.

Vatican Opposition to the United Religions Initiative

by Lee Penn


What Is the United Religions Initiative?

by Lee Penn


When Pope Francis received Bishop Swing in Argentina in 2007 as Jorge Cardinal Bergoglio of Buenos Aires, he was receiving Bishop Swing as Bishop of the Episcopal Church in the United States, and not as founder of United Religions Initiative.

As for Darrin Patrick, I am not familiar with him but in any case, I would not be using any Bible that he might be involved in translating.

As for the obsession with church-planting, I don't know much about that either, but from what I have read, you are not the only one who is concerned about it.

Please tell me more about what is going on with this situation. I have read that the Messianic Jews ( Christians - usually Southern Baptists claiming to be "Jewish" ) are heavily into church-planting.

My take on salvation of non Christians is that they meet Christ at death, and
recognize this Personality as what led them at times in the past and accept Him.
Thus salvation is STILL only through Christ, but there is greater flexibility
in when this might happen than just up to death and that's it.

the catechetical statement regarding islam is badly phrased to put it mildly.
Islam having stolen Christian elements proposes to point its members to the God
of Abraham, but explicitly denies the deity of Christ. Also His death and Resurrection.

Now, the issue regarding a muslim would be, how does he or she take this, how
seriously does he or she take any of this especially the erroneous part? Many of
them engage in prayers at shrines some of which are sufi holy men and some are
Christian saints and Mary. This is viewed as heretical and apostate behavior
by more hardline muslims, but rarely has there been a serious effort in terms of
violence to stop this.

A practical example would be, how effective are their exorcisms? not that effective.
Sometimes they work sometimes they don't. non Christian exorcisms often involve
application of fumes and oils from plants that are gifted by God with an inherent
hostility to demons and psychic influence in general. I don't know what the typical
Islamic exorcism would be. But where Christians of some sort are available, and
Islamic exorcisms don't work, the next step is to take the victim of this to a
Christian priest (at least Coptic). This will often work.

Another case in point comes from the UFO alien abduction scene. A Turkish woman gave
a lecture in which she detailed that her father or grandfather or great grandfather
had been attacked or about to be attacked by reptilian type aliens or whatever they
were. This guy prayed to God, which would be the Islamic false god in theory, but
in such a panic and a minimally "catechized" (for lack of a better word) muslim as
he likely was, he probably was calling to the God of Abraham essentially. This
bypasses Islamic theology and may result in a response even involving Jesus Christ.

The attack was stopped, but not entirely. The entities left him with some kind of
effect which gave him a certain amount of occult or paranormal ability, which he
passed on to his descendants.

So there was a divine response apparently, but not an entire response. One could
then speculate that in minimally Islamic muslims, there is partial salvation.

Christians on the other hand who call on Jesus before the mind control sets in
and paralyzes the will, usually find the abduction is stopped in its tracks. the entities
are approaching and then back off, they are not already leaving and the person
woke up thinking something was beginning which was in fact ending. this latter
explanation is given by unbelievers, but the details on the events rule this out.
There's alot of stuff out there about something big going down on September 23 2015... Isaac Newton prediction, Day of Atonement, 70th Jubilee, meteors, CERN, Pope Francis and President Obama at the Un, project Bluebeam, etc. Anyone clued up about it?

Yes, thanks again for even more horse apples.
Obviously northern Africa is a major emerging world power...LOL

Have you ever noticed that EVERY country and kingdom mention in Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and just about every prophet in the Bible, (and quite a few Psalms as well), is a Muslim country.
Did you notice that the Muslim religion is adamantly anti Jewish and anti Christian ? Are you aware that Christians are being slaughtered DAILY by Muslims? How much more anti Christian can it get ? Do you still believe that there are moderate muslims? There aren't any unless you are considering the women and children who are stampeding their way into this country, dutifully fulfilling the basics of jihad which is really the most basic tenant of Islam, which is not a religion so much as a fascist form of government; sharia law? You say you've read the Bible but you seem to have missed that when Jesus returns he returns to fight against Edom, Libya, Egypt, Moab, Jordan, Syria, Babylon, Persia etc etc. Are these Bible references, too numerous to mention, a mistake? Did God really mean that he was coming to fight and wipe out weak, lukewarm Christians? Is there a mention somewhere in the Bible of Christ coming to vanquish Rome? No.
Its too obvious for the intellectual mind, I guess.
Is Israel surrounded by enemies on every side, and are they not all muslim nations?
The sole purpose of the invention of the muslim "religion" is a reaction to Christianity, which was spreading like wildfire in Mumitt's time.
Get a clue. They highjack entire schools in Nigeria and sell all the children into slavery. They lie, murder, rape and torture, and
they do nothing but exactly the opposite of what the Bible teaches. Who are the enemies of God? The crescent moon and star of Ishtar/Osiris/Baal/and yes, ISIS.
The Anti Christ comes from Turkey.
Who could raise an army of five hundred million and cross the Euphrates river? Iraq/Iran/Indonesia/Afghanistan/Pakistan among others, could easily do just that. Those countries all presently murder Christians on a daily basis.
Oh there's judgement coming for America alright, but I don't believe it comes close to the fury that God has for Islam.


you are assuming all this hell is going to break loose in the next year or so.

FIRST the lion has to have its wings plucked off and a major step down in power
and step up in quality more like a man made in the image of God instead of a
ferocious beast. In other words, repentance. This means a military destruction,
or else a Carrington Event that ruins us.

Russia will have to get into a war with Turkey, overrun it and annex it and possibly
other Middle Eastern land. The stage is set in Putin's challenge to Erdogan to
go to hell and take his ISIS crew with him and that Putin will turn Syria in a
Stalingrad for Erdogan if he puts in fighters and troops into Syria. Which is
already starting a little.

This is not likely to play out for at least another six months and if Erdogan backs
down, some other event will bring Russia into the Middle east PERMANENTLY, or else
be the empire (it is since tsarist times, and mostly built by defensive war) that
rewrites the Middle Eastern map AGAIN.

Kurdistan will have to become a reality and a major power in the Middle East, and it could. the four wings of a fowl not an eagle could mean the four supports for it
which would likely be what is left of USA, Russia, and China and, yes, Israel.

Or else China has to become a major permanent presence in the sense of boots on the
ground and extension of borders into the Middle East. Their dislike of jihadis might
result in this, they have such problems at home and know who to blame for it. But
their tendency to operate indirectly might work against this. they have opened an
embassy or consulate I forget which in Southern Kurdistan (which is northern Iraq)
so likely might end up pressuing IRan to allow Eastern Kurdistan its freedom.
The four heads of the leopard in this case would be the four Kurdistans under an
umbrella government, which would be secularist and tolerant, except for the islamist
element among them which, thanks to ISIS grossing the rest of them out, will be
strictly limited. The differences between the four Kurdistans are enough that they
will likely never be united the way Kurdish dreamers want.

After these four are stabilized in this condition, which will take another 5 years at least, and have continued for an uncalculatable period of time, the fourth
empire will arise.

That might not happen for at least 100 years or maybe in 50. Sure, north Africa
is not a rising power now. We don't know what will happen later. But if these
associations I have drawn are correct, then the four beasts come from the four
corners more or less of the earth, so the fourth has to come from the south. Definitely
if the leopard is China, which is leopard habitat and has a reputation for both stealth and patience and decisive action. But Kurdistan to a lesser degree is also
leopard habitat, and they have a reputation for stealth also. And I have rarely
seen a Kurd where the light is reflecting off the retinas, and the red reflex
shows. It is usually white. Which means they have good low light vision. A real
advantage. And catlike. May have added to their stealth reputation that got them
mislabeled as children of the djinn.

Paul, you are making the classic mistake fostered by all the prophecy experts from
the days of the Reformation (and a few chiliastic movements up to a thousand
years ago almost) of thinking that everything is about to play out in your lifetime.
as for the atrocities, yes, I know all about them. Trump is the only candidate
saying one word about it, which is why I am seriously considering voting for him.

Speaking of Christians, if the leopard is Kurdistan, there will be a Christian
contingent to the government. It is already 10% Christian, and Christian militias
are forming under Peshmerga guidance. There is an Assyrian ("Assyrian first and
Christian second") group which wants no subordination to anyone, but they aren't
the majority element.

the coalition you speak of that Christ fights, is the Gog Magog war, which is
specified in Revelation as happening after satan is released from his thousand
year bondange to tempt the nations one more time, and they attack Jerusalem to
unseat Christ as King, which doesn't work too well.

Christ comes back AFTER the tribulation to destroy the antichrist, who by that
time will already have been in control of Jerusalem for at least 3 1/2 years
if not more, since he will be presenting himself in the Temple as being god.
MCE you are so ignorant of God's Word and the dealings of the Holy Spirit it is sad. Yet you "correct" others?
Greater is HE that is in me, than he that is in the world. Look it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am born again by the Spirit of Christ Jesus, and ask by faith for, and am filled by, His Spirit to be taught by Him, and yes, He can use men to some degree but the Spirit is, in fact, my teacher just as Jesus taught his disciples of the role the Spirit would fulfill (in the upper room discourse) before He went to the cross. The Spirit has the mind of Christ. Men don't have this naturally,they have to receive this spiritual discernment supernaturally.
Are you even a disciple of Christ in the first place???
Are you operating only on some "head" knowledge, without the indwelling of God's Spirit in your heart? That is so fundamental to the Word of God, yet you have missed this important understanding???? If this is a lack that is taught by your favorite hierarchy, instead of the Spirit of the Living God, then I can see how you missed this teaching from the Bible since that is where your confidence lies. You exalt the flesh of your own mind (and others too I guess).............
You are trusting man's teaching much more than God, if that is the case.
That is to your shame since you claim to know the Bible so well.
You should know the Author first--------then-------------- you can speak to what the Bible teaches.

anon 7:04

I have been following some of this Sept. 23, 24 stuff. Some of it may have started when NASA
got antsy about an asteroid that it later calculated was not going to hit. But not before others
got wind of this and started getting upset.

But blood moon tetrad got into the act, and such have occurred in some centuries with nothing
happening around the same time or after. What has occurred has sometimes happened before, so is hardly
a warning of anything, it is probably bogus like anything the big name prophecy
people yell about.

What has my attention is predictive programming. This is where things turn up that point in movies to something going to happen somewhere, that later DOES happen.
An extreme example is indicators on a map in a Batman movie that point to Sandy Hook. there are others.

And some such pointers are number sequences that point to Sept. 23.

@ 6:57 PM:

There is No Holy Spirit in what you posted.
anon 7:49,

your problem is your PRESUMPTION that you are on a par with the Apostles, and
your IGNORANCE of the clear meaning of Paul's words when he asks do all speak
in tongues, do all prophesy, etc. etc., obviously the answer is no and he goes
on to make the point that the body of Christ the Church is an organism with
MANY PARTS not all of which do the same things or have the same gifts, and they
have to rely in part on each other.

Christ's words were TO THE APOSTLES who were going to write the New Testament
and jump start the Church. They are only PARTLY applicable to any of us, they
were FULLY applicable to the APOSTLES.

your own lack of wisdom is shown over and over, by your refusal to deal with
The Bible which is a check on all experience, and experience rather than God's
word is probably what you are going by.

you attack me when I rely ENTIRELY on the Bible as a guide.
You have no clue how off your "teaching" is.
If you were possessed (sealed) by the Holy Spirit you would never have posted that and called it entirely the Bible.
anon 8:06

are you referring to the Daniel exegesis?
As for Walter Martin, he left several pages in the first chapter of his book 'Essential Christianity' to E H Bickersteth, a 'Church of England' guy who then in the most manipulative and emotionally appealing language proceeded to lay a foundation that might deceive the elect into entertaining counterfeit Bibles. I mean they can be from the Holy Spirit, historical correct (we should check everything scientifically, even God's word after all) even if these men and manuscripts were not so good who is to say the HS was not at work there. WOW! What about the ‘beware of scribes’ thing? Terribly interesting and yet another clue as to who Martin really worked for. His root is bitter and Larson grows from the same one.
The S. Baptists have long since been under masonic influence. Yes, they are all moving to the Hebrew roots movement as they have been for some time, and naturally they will be considered Jews when the time comes, will they not? Can you see that? There congregations are full of the most obedient Christians left in the USA.
It is well known that Graham was a 33 degree Mason and he did send people from his revivals to the RCC if they had a Catholic background and why not? The Masons were taken over by the Jesuits by the late 1700's according to the John Robinson book, Proofs of a Conspiracy, from the same time period.

I get the Matthew Fox, thing, yes I did read Constance's book but I fail to see how Walter Veith and Constance are too far apart when one says look-RCC and one says look-Nazi. Certainly there are Jews who do blame the RCC for their part in the Holocaust, who can blame them with photos like this? Shall we contrast these men with Bonhoeffer?


Ephes. 4:30 "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. "

Strong's sphragizo to set a seal upon, at attest to ownership and/or validate
what is sealed. http://biblehub.com/greek/4972.htm

notice we are unto the day of redemption. So we aren't fully redeemed yet, we look
forward to the redemption of our bodies Romans 8:23 "Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies" the Resurrection of the dead,
and transformation of our bodies into immortal and indestructible yet still physical

Ephesians 1: 13, 14 "In Whom [Jesus Christ previous verse] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED WITH THAT HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE,

"WHICH IS THE EARNEST OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory."

earnest is arrabon, "an earnest, earnest-money, a large part of the payment, given in advance as a security that the whole will be paid afterwards" http://biblehub.com/greek/728.htm also called "consideration" in a contract.

The Holy Spirit speaks of and points to Jesus Christ, not to Himself, Christ told the Apostles in the upper room.
6:34 Allah is the moon god therefore he cannot be Abraham's God. Let us examine what Allah says and you will find a stark difference between the God of Abraham and Allah. This is the very least the RCC should know and I expect they do know. However, since the ecumenical movement is coming from them or one or more of their or faces or satellite cults, naturally Allah is the same god, the names can change with each culture, this is the pagan way isn't it? I mean mamma-baby worship can be Queen Mary and baby Jesus or Isis and Osiris, right?

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

I KNOW I WAS CATHOLIC, WHICH CHURCH?? THE FRIENDS OF JESUS CHRIST OR THE PAGANS OF ROME? AND TO WHICH GOD SHALL WE BE SAVED TOO? I assume you mean the moon god or his light side the sun god, RIGHT?? Yes, Susanne, you are the queen of hall monitors and your education and English are amazing and perfect and I don't even have a pass. I am going to the rest room.

The Nohide Law debate is yet another scam to discredit the Jews and use them as human shields for the serpents. I read the book today. They are going to use this Rothchild/Zionist thing to do it (another downfall of the Southern Churches) A better plan should be constructed to reach the Jews for Christ. I did say I heard Marrs and Rense calling the Roths ‘not even human’ and I was sick. Constance has been right on the issue all along. The deception is as thick and an algae bloom.


and there he is..
except for paraphrases, most of the modern translations bad as they are, are
correctable on doctrine by other passages in the same translation on the same
subject and by the overall context of the entire Gospel or Epistle the problem
passage is in.

of course this only works if you read the Bible not just verse study and rely
on proof texts. yes something is wrong, but God can use it.

but why put Him to such extra work? get a decent translation.
Christine, In a hundred or even fifty years the population of the earth will be, what, twelve billion?
II Peter 3:3 " Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, (4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation, (5) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (6) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished. (7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men. (8) But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

"But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing..."
Does that sound like Peter was making a broad generalization which isn't meant to be taken literally or seriously?
And Peter is not the only one. Barnabas says the exact same thing: six days of creation followed by a day of rest, equals six thousand years followed by a millennial kingdom of God. Keep in mind that "creation" usually refers to the creation of the "world" , not the universe or even the earth. The world and the Hebrew calendar begins with Adam and Eve, just about six thousand years ago now, give or take calendric changes and false information and deliberate lies.
Ertugin of Turkey considers himself the Caliph of the new Ottoman Empire. Whether it's him or not the Ottoman Empire is re-forming right now. The Ottoman Empire was the eastern half of the Roman Empire, and included northern Africa. It survived the collapse of the Roman Empire and morphed into something that lasted until the end of the first World War.
2017 is exactly 70 years from the formation of Israel. 70 years was how long they spent in Babylon, paying for their sins until God miraculously returned them to their homeland and Cyrus let them rebuild the temple.
For the last 68+ years, Israel has been a nation under siege in a perpetual state of fear. The abomination of desolation is that
dome on the rock where the enemies of God gather every day to pray for the destruction of Israel, yet somehow they cannot accomplish their hearts desire, because God won't answer their pagan prayers, ever.
Watch, for you know not the day or the hour that the bridegroom comes. It comes at such a time as you think not.

Paul I have already refuted that but I will do so again.

firstly, your statement about Peter's words could have been said by someone
expecting everything to be finalized within the first few centuries after Christ.
So that isn't a valid take on it.

Secondly, the idea of 6,000 years orienting around creation of Adam and Eve is
NOWHERE IN SCRIPTURE, it is strictly a deduction based on an ASSUMPTION which
presupposes some mechanistic thing.

Thirdly, if everything was created in 6 days, then Adam and Eve were created the
same year as the rest of the universe, and if that is 6,000 years of creation,
then they must have lived 1,000 years before they fell - make that 2,000 years.

But in any case, creation is usually taken as beginning about 4,000 BC, correct?

4000 - 4000 - 0 but there is no year zero, so you take 1 year off the rest of it,
and add 2014 (instead of 2015) to that 0 and you get SIX THOUSAND AND FOURTEEN
YEARS at least, which is 14 or more years OVERDUE.

I think Bishop Ussher's calculation of 4004 BC may have been a bit off by maybe
a few hundred years and when you consider that the Septuagint has a person in the
begats before Noah who is absent from the Masoretic, and the Septuagint drew on
older texts and the Masoretes admitted they had a partly corrupt text to work with,
you can figure at least 100 and something more years off. https://theorthodoxlife.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/

So time ran out on that 6,000 year thing - WHICH IS NOT A BIBLE STATEMENT BUT A
Peter focusses on the fact of creation by God (as opposed to pagan theories
that included an evolution and immense time) NOT on the time it was done in.

Barnabas is not inspired Scripture. ONLY THINGS WRITTEN BY OR AT THE BEHEST
OF APOSTLES WAS ACCEPTED BY THE EARLY CHURCH, the later councils reiterated
this choice against some things that crept in that were not Apostolic, and not
all were false like heresy, but they were not something to base doctrine on
or read in Holy Liturgy as divinely authoritative on the same level as the
Old Testament writings. This council also resolved disputes over a few epistles
as to whether they were Apostolic or not.

Barnabas was not an Apostle, and he wrote after the Apostles were dead so did
not do so with an Apostle standing by to correct or guide him.
MCE every time you talk prophecy or anything else Bible it does not bear witness of the Holy Spirit. You are only going on the flesh of your own mind. This is error. You have bought the lie.

At the time of salvation we are saved, and we are being saved, and we will be saved. God does a complete work in the heart.
You are a cake not turned.
You don't understand this because you do not rely upon God's Spirit to teach you, whether prophecy or the Bible in general.

Jesus taught His disciples in the upper room, what we are to know also. John 17:14-26. Specifically verses 20-22.
You need the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and since you do not have Him in residence within you, you are on your own.
Not going well and won't end well for you, unless you get sealed by the Spirit now.
Repent and believe------you need the Savior and His atoning work for your soul. The Lord Jesus is at hand and will be coming soon--you are going to be ashamed before Him if you don't.
Romans 10:8-17 is what you need.
"firstly, your statement about Peter's words could have been said by someone
expecting everything to be finalized within the first few centuries after Christ.
So that isn't a valid take on it."
What? I can't even decipher the sentence.
" Peter focusses on the fact of creation by God (as opposed to pagan theories
that included an evolution and immense time) NOT on the time it was done in. "
I think I need a Christine lexicon in order to understand that one too.

You're grasping at straws and refusing to believe the plain words of Peter's epistle. You are disputing scripture, which is given to the meek and the mild of the earth, not the self appointed high minded intellectuals of the world, of which you are so proudly one.
And Barnabas's parallel statement has to be wrong? That's a long leap from "it isn't scripture", to, "it MUST be wrong".
YOU are wrong Christine, and the end of the age is going to come upon you like a thief in the night, at a time that you think it can't.

Barnabas makes one error of fact, something you don't find in Scripture: that the
hyena changes its sex every year. The females have an unusually large clitoris
and (like the Cape Hunting Dog which does not have this feature) the females rule,
so a false impression was had by observers who, for safety in the days before
telephoto lenses and binoculars, would have been distant observers and occasionally
have a carcase.

Barnabas puts a spiritual interpretation on OT law without denying its literality,
something Origen went beyond I think. Also there are things in the description of
the LAw that are either absent in the Masoretic but present in the LXX (which I
haven't read through yet) or were practices that developed in the Temple which
were slightly different than the Law.

"The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: “And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.” Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implies that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifies, saying, “Behold, today will be as a thousand years.” Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. “And He rested on the seventh day.” This means: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day. Moreover, He says, “You shall sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart.” If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God has sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things, we are deceived. Behold, therefore: certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness. Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves. Further, He says to them, “Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.” Isaiah 1:13 You perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens."

This is an effort to draw an analogy, and while he begins the letter by saying he
brings things to his readers that Jesus taught most of the letter after that is
about things clearly of Scripture and not of deduction and analogy and gets to that

Even if the 6,000 year thing is correct, Jesus' Incarnation, or else His Crucifixion
and Resurrection, are the beginning of the Kingdom of God and the new creation.
Therefore you could better argue that the Second Coming is c. AD 6,000 or so.

keys, triple crown, dragon ...all there
Jesus told me to keep His commandments. Jesus was God, the Son part of the Trinity, Jesus laws are God's Laws. Saved means I love His law. Sabbath, not Sunday it is for me. All the Sunday people belong to Rome. Come out of her my people! Simple but well hidden. The sheep are brainwashed.

you can't decipher the sentence? English is your second language? let's try again.

What Peter said in the FIRST century you are taking as grounds for timing in the

Since it was wrong to expect immediacy then, as history shows, you can't take it for
immediacy now. the only imminent arrival Jesus speaks of is when all those things
He listed came to pass AT THE SAME TIME, in the same generation.

Peter does not address timing like the 6,000 year thing, so this quote is irrelevant
to that. Like quoting Jesus when He said to get a boat for Him to get into, to make
a point about determining when Joseph entered Egypt.

Peter's statement was about God being the creator and His power He did not mention
the time it took to make everything. So the 6 days are only mentioned by inference,
in that he refers to an event in Genesis which says 6 days and doesn't say "by the
way it wasn't 6 days but more or less."

Pagan philosophy had many theories some remarkably modern seeming, and Peter's
statement goes against all that, it does not address timing of the Second Coming.

Peter's plain words do not speak about timing. So you are wrong in applying them.

Barnabas is not isn't Scripture so must be wrong but isn't Scripture so COULD be
wrong. I have already shown one point where it IS wrong, the hyena thing, so
the other matter could be wrong, but since you have the option of counting the
6,000 years starting from the Incarnation or the REsurrection, that ruins certainty
on what is talked about.

An Orthodox person had some vision of Jesus Christ saying something like this, but
again, this could be referring to the New Creation He began. The vision doesn't
specify it. God is often cryptic.
anon 9:44 are you the one saying I need the indwelling of the Holy Spirit or
someone else?

Sabbath keeping is part of the abrogated Law of Moses (ritual and external
observance part). Sunday was NEVER the Sabbath (an ignorant local western Synod
to the contrary notwithstanding) it was always the FIRST day of the week not
the seventh, and it is observed as THE LORD JESUS CHRIST'S DAY OF RESURRECTION.

Romans 14:5, 6,7 obviously makes the Sabbath not important. it is not as serious
a rejection of Jesus' Covenant as circumcision and keeping Mosaic law is, so is
given slack. Paul is severe about circumcision and food laws. Gal. chapter 4:10
denounces observing days and so forth, and the entire Epistle of Galatians
addresses the Mosaic external covenant law as abrogated in Christ.Colossians 2:16,17
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS [that's weekly and high holy]

"Which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body [which casts the shadow\
is of Christ."
BTW I wouldn't count on the world's population reaching many more
billions before a big die off. Jesus talked about catastrophes like
nothing we've seen outside of disaster flicks, and said these were
only "the beginning of sorrows."

So what are the best on Mary showing up for Maitreya? That would be deceptive. Yuck.
does anyone know who first started the connecting of Mosaic holy days and lots
of numbers crunching to determine when the rapture is due?

and who started the Obama is antichrist idea?
Looks like the very fake...PPSimmons and WND....called BO the AC but it's the Pope.
Looks like Fox was the first to call Obama a Muslim.

I fell for the Muslim one but now know he was an Alinsky Catholic. I think Breitbart died to bring us that one.
okay, who started this set the date for the rapture or second coming by using the Mosaic Calendar?

Part Chicago style -Al Capone, part catholic, part orthodox Jew...100% wise guy...Saul "dedicated to Lucifer" Alinsky. I watch this video every six months because it's so funny!

I do not know. My first guess is Biola since they were soort of in on that William Blackstone book, Jesus is Coming and Blackstone was their first president or whatever.

Is this it?
so they weren't talking this kind of mosaic calendar as end times guide
before 2012?
Was it Johnathan Cahn? http://www.shemitah-blood-moons.net/

I don't know but that's a damn good question. I thought late 1800's.

Did Constance write about that? That Hologram chapter or Holographs..or something?

"The Lord will only remember His children by those who keeps His Sabbaths! All those Sunday Christians of Paul will get left behind."

OH my this one says 2018. Oh boy.

Did Jesus say exactly how many false 'christs' we can expect or just several?
the article at biola doesn't discuss the calendar based timing, but this answer post does

"Jerry Christner October 24, 2012 at 10:49 PM

It's amazing to me that no one has commented about God's 7 Holy Feast Days. Jesus Christ fulfilled the first 4 Spring Feasts (1. Passover, 2. Unleavened Bread, 3. First Fruits, 4. Shavaot /Pentecost) at His 1st Coming. So, Jesus Christ will fulfill the last 3 Fall Feasts (5. Trumpets, 6. Atonement/Judgement Day, 7. Tabernacles) as well. #5 Trumpets will be the next Feast to be fulfilled. Some consider #5 Trumpets to be the Rapture, as I do. The 10 days from #5 Trumpets to #6 Atonement/Judgement Day is considered to be the Days of Awe, also considered to be the Time of Jacobs Trouble or Great Tribulation. Following God's Holy Feasts Days tell me the Rapture will happen before Great Tribulation when the "fulness of the gentiles" comes to salvation and then God will focus back on Israel to get the nation to accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah. Rapture/Great Tribulation/Judgement Day and then God Tabernacles with us on earth in the flesh as Jesus Christ for 1,000 years."

okay if late 1800s is the first that anyone tried to use the Hebrew Calendar to
calculate the Second Coming, then I doubt the Illuminati invented the system, more
likely exploited and promoted it one way or another. But that isn't impossible
that they invented it, so if we can find the first source of the idea, that JEsus
comes back on such and such a Mosaic feast day, and investigate THAT person.....

Chris White in one of his videos debunks the whole idea, showing that Jesus fulfilled
any significance the feasts have.

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