We've had some discussion back and forth on the blog between "Evangelical" who thinks the Turkish rioters are fighting forced Islam and deserve our support vs. myself who maintains they are New Age instigated and led.
Today, investigating the various websites of prominent New Agers Steve & Barbara Rother, I found the following. It is most revealing. If you had doubts that this was a New Age exercise in progress, this should tell you that indeed it was and is.
Also, TIME Magazine has a significant article in its June 24, 2013 issue. Ours arrived yesterday. The theme was "The Informers: Why a New Generation of Hacktivists is driven to spill the government's secrets." The author is Michael Scherer. Reading it, I recalled my earliest reading of New Age sources back in 1981. The very night I drafted the first few chapters of THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW, I commented on how they valued survival skills and back to nature instincts while at the same time calling for the entire world to be interconnected with computers with incredible snooping capabilities. I certainly agree that the government had vastly overreached and we had a right to know that they were snooping on us. However, the motivation to reveal it may well have been a type of New Age religious impulse on a generation raised on New Age thinking.
Here is a link for the video: http://spiritlibrary.com/videos/lightworker/turkey-in-motion-a-special-report.
Watch it and also read the TIME MAGAZINE article for necessary insights into the continuing New Age revolution in progress. Interestingly, the interviewer on the video is one more claiming that their "shift occurred" on December 22, 2012, as did Barbara Marx Hubbard.
According to Carol Brooks who has an informative material on "The Global Alliance" which can be found at http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_global_alliance.html, Steve Rother has presented his rather dubious "channeled" material at the UN at least 5 times.
Perilous times are coming? No, perilous times are obviously here!
Stay tuned!
CONSTANCE
303 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 303 of 303Of course man is fallen, that is why man needs to work on these problems. both individual self centeredness and the larger self (extended family, nation, etc.) self centeredness that appears selfless.
The Bible has a lot to say on this sort of thing. Secular humanism is evil of course, because Biblical selflessness has to do with submission to God not submission to self, the general population peer group party nation family etc. first and sort all else out with God as top priority.
Constance regularly has Dennis Cuddy on her show. He is one of the two people whose research is complex, thorough and honest. His books are for the very intelligent who want to know the connection between political history and the New Age movement. His solid information doesn't go out of date.
Right now there is much activity fighting Common Core. That movement comes from the UN through the hands of the Obama DC group. The latest move is to put four year olds in government schools. A writer has taken interest in what Cuddy wrote in the late '90s and shares it through this website. http://www.officialteapartyusa.com/pt/Indoctrination-ALARM--The-Barack-Obama-Teddybear-Brigade-MUST-SHARE/blog.htm#.Ud2AX_aAtMg.facebook
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http://tinyurl.com/lxfbk94
The Church of England stops even pretending to uphold the faith once delivered to the Saints!
http://www.sovereignindependentuk.co.uk/2013/06/23/church-of-england-creating-pagan-church-to-recruit-members-paganism-satanism-is-now-officially-cool/
Does anyone here know of any book detailing the corruption of the Church of England? Or is it yet to be written?
I did read a novel by Susan Howatch,'Glamorous Powers', one of a trilogy set in Britain the 1960s through the 1980s, where the main characters were C of E priests. Howatch based her novels on actual experience of the Church which she joined in the 80s. Most of the higher clergy appear to have been Jungians with a flavour of the Ordo Templi Orientis, or Golden Dawn.
I myself grew up in the Anglo-Catholic church. It's mysticism and glorious imagery is very appealing, but the sermons were like coffee morning chats and could have been given by Buddhists or Bahais....
Look forward to your next article Constance.
Dear Ruth of Exeter,
I agree that the Church of England has gone fuzzy because of theological liberalism, and because it is an Established church in an increasingly New Age culture, but we must be accurate. The present pagan-church furore started with a report in a British newspaper, the Daily Telegraph, here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10133906/Church-of-England-creating-pagan-church-to-recruit-members.html
to which the man at the centre of it, Steve Hollingshurst, responded here:
http://onearthasinheaven.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/exposing-church-of-england-plan-to.html
Paganism in the church or church outreach to pagans (whom Anglicans generally ignore)? You decide - but please do it on the basis of the article that started it and the response in his own words of the man it was about. The article that you (Ruth) have linked to is very wild. Probably the author thinks that he or she is going deeper and "getting behind the news", but it runs far beyond what the two links above say, and does so in a speculative and unverifiable way. In particular, to say that Rowan Williams, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, and before that of Wales, "became a Druid", is totally misleading. He was inducted as an honorary member of the "Gorsedd order of Bards" at an Eisteddfod - a Welsh festival of literature, music and performance. This was a revival some 200 years ago of ancient Welsh traditions from the Druid era. It undoubtedly includes pagans but it is not intrinsically pagan; its purpose is to celebrate Welsh culture. an Archbishop of Wales is not out of place there, and I personally looked at the vows that he would have taken in order to be inducted - which is the crunch - and there was nothing conflicting with Christian belief in them. I do not think he was a good Archbishop of Canterbury but that is not the point.
Brit
"I myself grew up in the Anglo-Catholic church. It's mysticism and glorious imagery is very appealing, but the sermons were like coffee morning chats"
Indeed! I appreciate that stained glass dated from an era when most people were illiterate and the story had to be told in cartoons (albeit of great beauty), but there is not much imagery in Judaism. As for mysticism - it is to be experienced and by definition cannot really be written about, which is probably why I find Christian mystical writing to be much overrated although I am not against mysticism. If mysticism is to be experienced by the individual, how can you tell if a particular church is into mysticism or not?
This is a real New Age story... Canadian government sponsors ecoterrorism against Canadians:
http://ezralevant.com/2013/07/government-sponsored-ecoterror.html
Brit, the whole pagan reconstruction movement (a part of neopaganism but more archaeologically and socially and theologically so to speak authentic) is rooted in ethnic, cultural appreciation.
The Bardic element of druidry was I think effectively coopted by the church to produce Christian material for popular consumption, but to treat this as explicitly a holdover from druidry and appreciate it as such, is to open a conveyorbelt to paganism.
This is exactly how some individuals and even whole groups move into paganism.
Step by step. not all at once. some are farther gone than others.
Druidry was revived in 17something about the same time that masonry turned speculative and incorporated rosicrucianism of sorts and pagan culture and symbolism issues and religious syncretism.
That Abp Rowan should not have accepted that honor, and it is an odd name to have anyway. What exactly was he or his family secretly into all along?
I have studied this stuff mostly online over 10 years, and some bit before that. Small things can be an indicator of something big, like a shark's fin or the tip of an iceberg, or else it can create something bigger over time.
The catastrophe of the renaissance was the revival of pagan culture and false gods as mere symbols and the pollution of these can be seen in government architecture in Europe and America. Indeed, some very strange stuff is encoded into some cathedrals, making me wonder if there might be something to the pompous claims of masons. But it wouldn't be an organization of them, but some closet pagan philosophic etc. hermetic or such like influenced architect to blame.
QUICKLY MOVING INTO THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT PART OF NEW AGE
This is a very powerful article listing the areas to be covered under the trade agreement and the key players involved.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/15952-transatlantic-danger-us-eu-merger-talks-underway-in-d-c
Wednesday, 10 July 2013 23:00
Transatlantic Danger: U.S.-EU Merger Talks Underway in D.C.
"...But as we have reported in our in-depth look at TTIP,
“Secretly Trading Away Our Independence,” there is a stealth agenda behind this “trade” agreement; the ultimate aim of the TTIP promoters is the economic and political merger of the United States with the European Union. They say so in their own words, though usually not in forums for the general public...."
I would suggest copying this for future reference.
Christine, you are not the only one to have studied this stuff for many years, and not only online for I live a mile from the Welsh border and am familiar with Welsh culture. This is all about drawing lines in the sand and not crossing them. It takes no intellectual effort to say that the line has been drawn in the wrong place and is not a defensible line against the creeping encroachment of New Age, but it is not necessarily true. Plenty of secular people and plenty of genuine Christians who are Welsh enjoy the poetry readings and music at Eisteddfods. The New Age stuff is there too but it is not hard for committed Christians to recognise, and if by mistake you end up sitting through 30 minutes of New Age poetry then it is no danger to you at all, just distasteful. It is dangerous only to secular people. Let's not be frightened of our own shadow. As for ABC Rowan (ABC is the customary abbreviation for ArchBishop of Canterbury), he attended this basically cultural event and in joining the Order he took no vows that are unChristian; I checked the vows myself when he was elevated from Archbishop of Wales to ABC. There is no analogy with freemasonry (for example), the vows of which he has written critically on. As I said, he was not my favourite ABC - but not for this reason.
Brit
There is a difference between New Age which dismisses all the false gods as mere personifications and looks to one's own alleged godhood, and neopaganism and a more subtle problem which is, that when some cultural holdover from pagan worship includes actions and objects that were designed as invocations of specific local "deities" and entities, one is making an invitation that just might be answered.
This has been a problem all along long before there was any new age movement.
New Age has its roots in Hinduism plus the occult revival. What I am talking about is different. Reconstruction paganism and the few mesopagan (original) groups despise New Age for its eclecticism and treatment of "gods" as mere personifications or extensions at most of some collective cosmic consciousness we are ourselves extensions of.
Meanwhile, the retention of pagan false gods as mere personifications for poetic use, preserves for more serious use the very things that should have been stamped out, whether on the basis of Christianity or rationalistic anti superstition reasons. (the latter only works for a while, leaving a dry boring condition that will eventually be filled either by conversion to Christ or wallowing in the occult and even entities.)
As for poetry, it often can create a kind of altered state of consciousness in itself, and I am very dubious of most of it. (In ancient Scandinavia this was understood well enough, to cause love poems composed to lure someone to be classified as a kind of psychic attack.)
This may depend on the metre and so forth. But poetry can be a kind of hypnosis.
One of the wierd things that happened to me when I was a child was that on a hot summer night, my biological so called mother and I were sleeping outdoors in the back yard.
And I was awakened by someone reading some wierd poetry to me, but there was no one there, and the voice continued the first few seconds I was awake.
It was a strange, depressing kind of poetry, like you would expect from Poe or Lovecraft. The only line I could remember was "then kiss thyself to death" which line I have tried over the decades now and then to locate to see what poem it was in, but never could.
ONCE in a yellow book that was supposedly gypsy poetry I saw it briefly, but this was in school, someone brought it to class with her, I was sitting next to her, and class started and I never followed up or read the whole thing.
Christine, you are proving again you know almost nothing about the New Age movement. You just like talking off the top of your head based on the wanderings around the internet that you've done. I think you just like hearing yourself talk. Unfortunately there aren't enough followers of this blog who know enough about New Age to tell you to step back. You do much damage because those new to understanding may think you know more than you do.
Anyone who reads the James Webb books knows streams of thought go on throughout history, sometimes bigger, sometimes smaller. Such was the history of occult and mystical thinking and organizations around such beliefs.
There are many places on the internet to learn how occult organizations cooperated with revolutionary ones in Russia. Here is one of them. You will notice that Hinduism is not mentioned. Here is one of them. http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/occult_roots_of_the_russian_revo.htm
The New Age movement came about as a blending of the political as well as occult and mystical organizations. However, one more thing was added to make it the New Age movement. Financing to spread and support the smaller groups and bring them together.
Scholars can trace the lines in the political movements. Others scholars can trace gnostic, mystical and occult movements.
What hasn't been done to any extent is to show where the financing has come from and why.
Opponents have generally stopped at "You shouldn't believe this" or "You shouldn't think that" not "who brought the streams together and why." This is where the "provision made for dissidents" conspiracy writers have had a field day with unfounded speculations.
New Age planning is dangerous. Arrogance by those who have not learned the larger lessons of history is being promoted. It is leading to the control tried by Hitler and Stalin where many were killed because they refused to go along or because they were scapegoated.
Over time I've tried to get you to rethink your ideas Christine. It is hopeless even though you have intellectual curiosity. The only thing I am doing here is attempting to put researchers back on the right track. Perhaps for my own reasons I care more than Constance does about warning others what is going on.
Well Christine, you might be frightened of New Age poetry but I am not. We Christians face persecution from human beings but thanks to Jesus Christ we have the victory over the spiritual forces of darkness. Witches and other occultists should look at the spiritual power we wield and tremble. That is the NT position and if you do not feel like that then your faith needs building up. I have no fear at all of occult poetry; the reason I avoid it is for the same reason that I do not stand beneath a sewer outlet.
Brit
I know all that stuff, but what you don't realize or refuse to face, is that the NAM is a distinct issue from the underlying and more dangerous occult scene that birthed it, and is still here.
I can resist hypnotic poetry but why deal with it? especially if one is suggestible.
The NAM is both political and spiritual, and the spiritual side facilitates influence by demons who could no longer access more than a few people by means of old religions, meantime it popularizes occultism which facilitates demon influence on those who may not care about peace, politics and mysticism.
What your ignorance consists of, is limiting the issues to the political.
When the devil can't win you over directly, he can try to cripple your walk in Christ, and one way is altered states of consciousness. Getting really into some metres of poetry will do exactly that.
This is why Plato said that who writes the music is more important that who makes the laws, and recommended one kind of music for one category of citizen and another for another. Think programming and mind control.
Meanwhile, the split down the middle in the NAM, between the collectivist political scene, and the individual freedom version based on one's alleged godhood, is something you ignore so can't figure out how to exploit.
Glory be to God it IS becoming a problem for them, as every kind of good and bad person, Christian and pagan, capitalist and commune living idealist and so forth are lining up on the same side against Agenda 21.
Agenda 21's plan to cram all the population into high density small unit housing, would facilitate mass death from pandemics, not to mention reviving the old past centuries scene of entire blocks going up in fire because one house in the row houses (nowdays these exist only as duplexes and the rare triplex, and apartment buildings, but ENTIRE BLOCKS are not sharing the same walls) in a block caught fire.
Which would fit the depopulation agenda real nice wouldn't it?
It doesn't matter where financing came from and why. What matters is WHAT is being financed and WHAT ideas and actions (or lack of ideas and actions) it is promoting.
If you are going to drive this issue back to the Rothschilds and the Protocols of Zion, I suggest you read Rabbi Antelman's TO ELIMINATE THE OPIATE and get Vol. 2 which is out now.
A false messiah, Shabbatai Zevi and his disciple Jacob Frank were practically the Jewish equivalent of satanists. or luciferian philosophers. They and their followers were kicked out of Judaism by rabbinic decrees, and went underground in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Antelman even suggests some of the drive behind the Holocaust was Frankist revenge on the Jewish religious establishment which had rejected them centuries earlier. On one occasion, Frankists even got a woman who looked like the local chief rabbi of the real Jews to tell an RC priest she had seen her husband sacrifice a Christian boy, and this of course sparked a pogrom, by which time of course the Frankist element was safely out of town.
Financing? If someone who is rich believes theosophical crap they are going to finance it. If someone who doesn't give a damn, or is Christian but thinks business is business and doesn't put Christ in charge of all issues in his life, sees a growing trend he can make money off, he will finance it.
Yes, the elites are a lot of them up to their ears in occultism of various sorts, ranging from ritual to meditative and channeling. Alex Jones has gotten into this subject several times you can listen on youtube.com
The elegant rich elite rule over all scene is compatible with satanism of the superman sort. The radically individualist rabble is compatible with satanism of the mob destructive mindless greed and subhuman sort. Libertarianism is compatible with both, since everyone thinking of rugged individualism and captains of industry secretly thinks of themselves in these prideful and ruling elite terms, or most will.
Both Left and Right are compromised from the get go. All you can do is sign petitions, vote, etc. as per specific issues, with a view to what they might set the stage for down the road, or interfere with something down the road, things that are not mentioned in the speeches for them.
one more thing. The quasi Christian Templars were the ones who revived economic systems of transfer dating back to Babylonia, and the British banking House of Baring preceded Rothschid, and taught him his tricks.
" The quasi Christian Templars were the ones who revived economic systems of transfer dating back to Babylonia"
Which systems? Are you suggesting that any system of financial transfer other than precious metals from hand to hand is wrong? Financial evil is due not to that but to fractional reserve banking based on fiat currency (which lies in its promise to repay if everybody demands their money at once), and usury.
fractional reserve banking developed from this, while holding gold and so forth for someone you could also speculate with it (probably originally without the owner's knowledge) as long as you had enough to cover when the note came due.
once enough capital from this speculation is built up, you can expand.
Fractional reserve banking does not repeat DOES NOT require fiat currency. Only the status of getting paid to hold your gold, while lending it out at interest, and keep enough to pay out when you want some gold back, and when you get wise to it, invent the savings account so you get a cut off the interest.
Now, usury these days means excessive interest. what is excessive? whatever the law forbids.
But usury originally meant ANY DEGREE EVEN A FRACTION OF A PERCENT OF INTEREST.
That is how the mortgage phenomenon came to be. Originally it wasn't your dwelling, no point in that unless you had several and mortgaging one meant the lender could rent the place out until you paid back.
You borrowed money, and the lender would use your land, usually farmland, and sell the crops. The lender kept all the money. This wasn't interest or usury.
when you got it together to pay the loan back, you only paid the exact amount you borrowed, not one penny of interest. Then you got your land back.
Venetian interests working on the RC, and Calvin working on the protestants, got usury REDEFINED as meaning excessive interest.
now, get ready for this one. be sitting down.
GOLD HAS NO INTRINSIC VALUE. Its value is strictly an illusory appreciation by humans, an ascription of value by preferring it because it is pretty and durable.
In India, silver was valued above gold some centuries ago.
Gold has some intrinsic value, to be sure, intrinsic means built into it, inherent. But there is no such thing as anything having intrinsic economic value.
Gold's intrinsic value is electrical, it is a better conductor than copper; radiation shielding, it is denser than lead, but too expensive to use for that; chemical, various processes and effects; and gold fulminate is an explosive more powerful than TNT, but too expensive to waste on blowing things up. Too rare also, even if it were despised and cheap.
not enough around.
For money in circulation to drive up prices, there has to be a choice made somewhere to post higher prices on things. A hidden driver on price increase type inflation (the only real inflation, not the inflation of amount of currency nonsense which depends on a math equation that has been criticized)
is the value of real estate. The increase of this, means an increase in real estate taxes, which is passed on to everyone else in increased rents to stores, passed on to buyers as increased costs.
In one gold town in the 1800s, miners were coming in laden with gold nuggets. They didn't care how much something cost. Saloons would charge as much as $150 a drink. Eventually the gold dried up, so did the liquor, everyone left the town became a ghost town.
Fiat currency didn't do this. Sure, the presence of an influx in gold did it, or did it? Not really. Human greed (the sellers) and human stupidity and carelessness (the unprotesting buyers who assumed all would remain as it was, gold forever available and felt important for throwing money, er, gold around) was what drove the price of liquor and everything else up.
Now, if people agree to trade in gold, cowrie shells or money they put an IOU and signature on or fed. res. notes or whatever, it doesn't matter. It is all the same. The value as money derives from people being willing to use it. If this willingness is created by govt. force of law, or by group collusion, it doesn't matter.
The point is, that using a "medium of trade" you don't have to have a specific someone wants to get some specific they have to sell, you just present the medium of exchange, and they use that to get what they want from people who do not want what they have to barter with.
Price increases are the result of human choices, mostly on the part of the sellers.
If the govt. were to hand off $10,000 a year to every citizen, but ALSO put a wage price freeze in play, either absolute or flexible, since sometimes things other than greed drive those issues, the result would NOT be disaster.
Christine's gobbledygook is back full time again. Yes, I know we can just close, but the problem is she does have an effect on the unwary, making those who are concerned about the New Age movement look more than a bit addled.
Christine, please answer my original question: which Babylonian systems of monetary transfer did the Templars revise? Were they evil simply because they were Babylonian (and Templar)? In that case a certain amount of math is evil too...
"GOLD HAS NO INTRINSIC VALUE. Its value is strictly an illusory appreciation by humans, an ascription of value by preferring it because it is pretty and durable."
This needs correction. The early use of gold and silver was in jewellery, which gave them value in markets (what else can you mean by 'intrinsic value'?), and their further properties - fungibility, durability, portability - meant that they were ideal mediums of exchange. Gold started as just another 'good' (ie, thing) to be bartered for what you wanted in the marketplace, but it spontaneously evolved into a universal exchange medium - no king ever decreed it as a fiat currency - and, as that was something people wanted, that too gave it value in markets. You can find a fascinating explanation of how something that started as just another good spontaneously evolved in marketplace exchanges into a universal exchange medium in the book Introduction to Economic Reasoning by David Gordon. All this was, of course, millennia before its use in electronics.
1. I answered your question in that little lecture of mine. Systems like that are not inherently evil, though open to abuse. My point was, that if your hint about financing sources was to nudge people towards the alleged Jewish conspiracy, the problems that a handful of Jewish individuals represent were in operation before those families were.
2. Your idea about intrinsic value misses the whole point, and describes exactly the process, that ITS VALUE IS NOT INTRINSIC BUT DEPENDENT ON HUMAN OPINION.
As for govt. orders, govts. always used to be involved to some extent in things like this and the economy and so forth.
Again, you miss the point about intrinsic vs. artificial.
Gold's only intrinsic value is electrical, chemical, radiation shielding, and explosive.
INTRINSIC means built in. inherent to the thing in itself.
Human valuation is not inherent, and as I pointed out, in ancient India silver was more valued than gold, a contrary human valuation.
None of the description of how gold got so valuable, describes intrinsic value.
If all those people decided that booger laden used hankies were for some reason of great value, we'd have that, or currency designed to resemble it, as money and lectures about its intrinsic value.
Yes, govts. would often have played a role in all this, striking coinage, defining purity and other issues. Even in some places you can be sure, that govt. fiat put gold coin in charge over any other means of exchange.
Gold's value in electronics is dependent, for value as in being valued, in there being electronics in the first place.
but its INTRINSIC electrical quality is not created by human value. It is just there, waiting to be discovered.
All its use as jewelry, money, art, are strictly human valuation.
Did you know that diamonds were of less interest to ancient Egyptians than semi precious stones?
Human valuation standards and tastes have varied from time to time and place to place.
Someone might well prefer to be paid in hides they can sleep in while travelling through cold places to market to sell them, rather than in gold.
I repeat, gold's value in economics is a result of human decisions, not a quality inherent to it. Those decisions are based on liking the color, which is intrinsic, but there is nothing about that which guarantees it will be valued.
Some people have preferred other things than gold. And if something gets too commonplace it gets boring.
But remember, when we were on the gold standard, it was a standard fixed by fiat, both its presence and its value.
The Bretton-Woods agreement, which made the dollar the universal conversion thing for trading currencies, also based the dollar on gold, AND FIXED THE GOLD PRICE AT $35 AN OUNCE.
The stability you look back to was itself a product of govt. fiat and a fixed not free market price.
Christine, is there anything on which you don't consider yourself a top flight expert? How is it that that you haven't been hired to run a top level think tank? What's your top flight expert answer to that question? One would think, based on your self-evaluation that your fame would have spread across the world.
I'm too much of a loner. But I am thinking of starting a think tank. As far as top flight is concerned, well, that game is sort of rigged. look at who finances it. look at who the "customer" is.
I'm too much of a loner.
Christine, you sure do stand alone here I'll agree with that. Absolutely nobody stands besides your view of things, yet you just keep addling away making those who take New Age seriously look strange.
Christine, there is no such thing as intrinsic value, because the concept of value implies value TO A PERSON in a particular setting. Gold had no added value because of its electrical properties for thousands of years; now it does. The only things that are intrinsic to it are its physical and chemical properties. As for the rest... read a basic economics primer and please consider what readers will infer from embarrassing phrases like "now get ready for this one. be sitting down".
Do tell us more about booger laden used hankies. I can't wait for your top flight analysis for which we need to get ready and sit down. Do they have something to do with that wild comet Uburu or UFOs. Can't wait to learn.
Christine, being too much of a loner means that you miss out on the usual cut and thrust of discussion which is a vital part of education, and it shows. I wonder why you avoid that process?
anon 5:36 thanks for making my point. since it is value TO someone it follows all value other than pragmatic (hides keep you warm, food well, feeds you, etc.) is fiat mythical. whether this is accomplished by govt. invention out of whole cloth so to speak, or by accumulated general agreement with a lot of PR push undoubtedly that eventually is enforced either by tribal custom with kick you out to die in the desert or jungle or whatever as penalty or by more organized govt. decree doesn't matter.
The economic stability that came with the gold standard came from a FIXED RATE not a free market in it.
If we were on the gold standard now, you would have all kinds of fights over just how much a gold backed note should buy you given the fluctuations in the gold market.
The reality is not libertarian, the reality is not "statist" the reality is in between.
Being a loner has let me also pursue subjects beyond bumper sticker mentality.
Give and take has nothing to do with anything. it is better to present a case like I do than just make a statement in one sentence. Things are complex.
Unless you are pissed that I don't just let myself be led by invective aimed at making me feel bad that I am not accepted by the exalted whoever you are, or large mobs of popular opinion, or manipulated, I don't see that give and take and so forth has any bearing on this discussion.
It started with the issue of I-am-ignorant-because-I-don't-realize-that-NAM-is-a-spiritual-political-mix, something you called me ignorant for saying it is that mix back some months or weeks ago, and then threw in finally what apparently you were looking to lead me into, WHO FINANCES IT.
At that point I could see that if you have any real goal other than just arguing, you want to lead me and others in a direction that will end at the Rothschild's door, which is a well known given. Yes big money is back of a lot of it. Not just Rothschild either.
But those who harp on it usually have an antisemitic agenda, and ignore the sizeable non Jewish population of elites and big money involved in all this.
Of course, coming right out wouldn't do here, would it? But what else can you be driving at when there is some mysterious one element I am missing that you supposedly tried to educate me about, but in fact never got near until now, just tried to eliminate politics and ideology, which would supposedly leave me and readers with nothing but finance to look into?
Well, that is a load of crap. Golden crap. Which brought me around to the goldbug issue. Elites of Jewish and non Jewish illuminist nature used to push the gold standard themselves, by the way. Whoever controls a commodity is going to try to persuade govt. and people that it has INTRINSIC value.
Now back to the Rothschilds, they are Jewish by the skin of their teeth.
Meanwhile, thanks to some pre Crusader Talmudic issues based squarely on some Scripture, but missing the larger implications of it, if you have a Jewish woman on the bottom line of your pedigree, mother to mother to mother etc., you yourself qualify as a Jew. Well, barely.
So if that is your game, go put on your gold foil coated tinfoil hat and hide under the bed.
Oh Christine, your wild speculations are so shallow and dependent on conspiracy type rags. You really haven't read very widely. Where finances are concerned, you might want start by seeing who financed the Nazi movements and the Communists movements and they weren't Jews. I have some pretty good ideas, but I'm not going to teach you. It's more fun to watch you.
http://www.forcingchange.org/one_world_one_money_with_endnotes
Constance has had him on her show several times.
Teichrib has moved further in his analysis than the barter concept. I do believe you think you can simplify this for all of us, that is if you are to ever move out from the corner from which you lecture us.
actually some Rothschild money was involved in the Nazis, through Warburg. Here's some more detailed stuff on playing both sides.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3E40FF7281564357
Antony C Sutton: Wall Street, Hitler & Bolshevik communism
here's another
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/10418/hmmm-far-left-financier-former-nazi-george-soros-part-of-limbaugh-nfl-bid-group/
I have been saying all along that the globalist scene that is supposedly commie and anti american is really american empire. But while NAM exploits globalist greed for money and power, and is partly motivated by it, it has other agendas than just that.
Haven't I been saying that right and left are both wrong and both controlled at the top by the same people?
I will be discussing Bob Larson, my experiences with him, and his "Exorcism Ministry" on the air this morning. We will start live in about 10 minutes at THEMICROEFFECT.COM and/or TIMERadio.com
You can call in at 888-747-1968.
Constance
So have all of us been saying same people on the top over the right and left Christine, but we've been documenting it for a long time. You haven't been saying it all along. This is the first time today. Don't keep trying to bull us Christine.
I am not bulling anyone. go check my posts. you will find reference to this issue of the left right paradigm being a fraud. I have also been linking to such information on my blog a lot of information which does not all address this but will give you the information to come to that conclusion.
define "all along." Sure its the first time today, and I don't recall you saying it at all. But this is NOT the first time on this blog forum.
Just what is your problem? spill it. you've been on the attack one way or another at me and even shift your ground over the months now and then. My original definition of NAM as both political and spiritual you dismissed as ignorant. Despite this being the position of both Constance and wikipedia. Now you admit that it is so, but that the reality lies in the financial realm. In the process however you contradict yourself.
I have a long memory. And I notice patterns.
"we've been documenting it"
excuse me? Give me an example of that. Who is this "we?" Constance has been honest enough to recognize and comment when NAM features turn up among alleged conservatives, but the assumption here in general is that Republicanism and conservativism is independent and true except for RINOs
(Republicans in Name Only) so that the appearance of NAM in that camp is like an anomaly or an infection moving in.
Now Christine, when did you say it was both on the right and on the left.
And all along you've been dismissing the political end of the New Age movement, going with the it's all just a rehappening of the occult which has been going on since the beginning of time. That's a standard practice by those who know very little about the New Age movement but want to appear knowledgeable, which they generally are about Christianity.
And then it's off to the races about Christianity and information about New Age is forgotten.
As far as your blog, no one with any sense goes there and so you come here knowing that you will get an audience for all of the things you've come across.
My problem with you? You have chased people away from knowing anything about the New Age movement. They have no patience with your cockamamie theories and you are a blog hog. There are many intelligent people I know who once gave time to research on New Age, but they just check in occasionally now just to see what is going on. They feel their time is too limited to waste time here.
Me? Because I want the information to get out and get noticed, I post in several places outside of my anonymous posts here.
Constance, I am listening to the program. I didn't realize there was such a problem with Larson, I only read a few thing of his and never went to any events, and didn't know all the stuff that comes up when you google him with exposed as an added search term.
that bit about a curse on those conceived or born out of wedlock, the Hebrew term mamzer or bastard does not refer to this, but to the product of adultery or of marriages in forbidden degrees of relationship.
The only way you could possibly get some special problem (other than the usual ones) from this MIGHT be if you were conceived, never mind in or out of wedlock, in a ritual sex context. totally different issue.
Larson from the article I read seems to be making exorcism a kind of mechanistic science. The worship of mammon is evident. And the reaction to saying anything bad about Elizabeth Clare Prophet is astounding. My guess is, that Larson is applying cult mind control methods to get what he wants, and uses the sensationalism of exorcism to attract attention. (In the process he may accidentally give some help. Christ said that there would be people who would say "have we not cast out demons in Your Name and done miracles in Your Name" and that Christ would answer, "begone from Me I have not known you workers of iniquity." The unholiness of someone calling on Jesus against the devil is not a guarantee of failure in casting out the devil. Also, in wallowing in all the details of evil in his printed research, he may be titillating the audience and himself, but he does effectively warn people against some of the stuff. But obviously he has some other agenda.)
At this point you are talking about walking back to a hotel so I don't know what more you are going to tell us. I recall something uncomfortable about him on TV or something once. It was very vague.
You want to know who the WE are. You've just made my point. You have no idea who has done what kind of research on New Age. You are too busy listening to your own voice.
you are as usual screwing around with word gaming. you call this deceptive behavior give and take? I can do without it.
I was addressing your statement in that limited context. I have read lots of stuff about NAM whether from the political or spiritual angles. And even some things people categorizeable as NAM themselves, and who as of their writing at least had not repudiated it, but had run into trouble and gave warnings about some specifics, which coming from a NAM source made them potentially more credible as they had no Christian axe to grind, therefore a weapon in argument.
Tried to share and some anon probably you did nothing but rant against the effort.
I don't keep track of names as much as I do of ideas.
now, let me rephrase the question. you sound like "we" you claim are doing this anti left right paradigm work? I do NOT see it from anyone, with one or two exception, except myself ON THIS BLOG.
The rest of your crap is the old accusations hashed over.
It centers on my supposedly distracting people from the NAM which YOU say is not a mix of political and spiritual, then on this episode of the forum you say it is.
NEVER have you raised the financing issue before now.
And of course Christianity itself is supposedly a distraction from the NAM.
THIS BLOG PRESUPPOSES CHRISTIANITY though it welcomes anyone to talk on the NAM subject.
Get over it.
Secondly, since NAM (and aliens) seem to attack no religions but Christianity of the orthodox (small o) type, obviously it is their worst enemy, and you would do well to look at that.
Exposing angles like antisemitism and possible extermination plans for all Abrahamic religions of the non mystical categories, is VERY IMPORTANT, but there is also a plan to control population by not only contraception but abortion AND MASSACRE regardless of belief system. This angle is only lately getting some minor notice by conspiracy researchers.
The entire occult part of the NAM incl. the mixed bag of truth and falsehood aka quackery in alternative healing, facilitates recruitment into deeper levels of the spiritual side, and sooner or later if one is inclined to consistency, one will start looking to apply all this love peace bliss crap in your political life.
This of course plays into globalist elitist plans.
And by making sure that the goofiest kind of philosophy gets mixed up with any oddball physics stuff, that gets to be a recruit ground as well.
you cannot, as you attempt to do, separate the political from the spiritual and ignore the latter.
I think your real problem is that I come up with weapons that could be used against these people and somehow that makes you uncomfortable.
I think you mentioned getting some Chinese Traditional Medicine treatment at some point, and I don't recall whether you affirmed or denied it included any energy work.
It may be that you don't like the spiritual issues because you feel your pet solution is threatened. It isn't entirely only some of it.
(Chinese philosophy is actually contrary to Hindu on a key point. Chinese assumes that material is good and to be made healthier and life of a mundane sort prolonged. Hindu based systems assume the opposite, but to be marketable in the west have to come up with all kinds of health stuff that the original founders of the system would have cared nothing about. In this, China is more Christian compatible than India, being on the biblical side of the Christian vs. gnostic divide, even though they were not bible based as a culture or any of their systems. The presupposition, however, is not that matter is bad and the body to be transcended and dumped.)
Satan I rebuke you in Jesus' Name.
I guess Larson chose to position himself as exorcist, because it attracts attention, and makes any criticism of him suspect while he rakes in cash and praise.
Christine, you have verbal diarrhea, yet you manage to say nothing of any value. You are a distraction from information about the New Age movement.
Now out of what crank website do you think you got your training to be an exorcist? Talk about illusions of grandeur.
Frankly, you want attention. I am giving you attention. You should be thanking me.
Constance, I listened to your radio show this morning. Then I put your name and Bob Larson's into the same websearch. You must find it frustrating that so many who claim to expose the exposers of New Age put your writings and his next to each other in the same category. Your information is logical and factual and can be checked out. His is generally emotional garbage from what I can see on the surface. So many people who claim to be intelligent couldn't analyze the two main ingredients in a hot dogs and beans dish.
"Now out of what crank website do you think you got your training to be an exorcist? Talk about illusions of grandeur."
Talk about delusions in general, what drugs were you on or meds were you off when you wrote that one?
Exactly where did I claim to be an exorcist or have any training?
Theoretically ANY Christian operating in orientation and subordination to the historical Jesus Christ in person and speaking in His Name can do exorcism.
Theoretically.
Full scale training (for big bucks) Larson offers may have some value but seems to include some questionable stuff.
Larson was tested once with a person who faked possession, and did not spot it was faked, just go google the subject.
I have read quite a bit about the subject written by real exorcists
such as Fr. Gabriele Amorth and a couple of protestant ones.
Incase anyone is interested, here is a rapid press release by the European Union about the progress of the talks in Washington D.C. this week on TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership). Looks like the EU and the US are going to merge economically and the next talks will be October 7th.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-691_en.htm
Christine wrote:
Satan I rebuke you in Jesus' Name.
You might also want to check out "Pentecostal exorcist Bob Larson blessed by Rome's Chief Exorcist...f you haven’t been tracing my steps for the past couple of weeks, let me bring you up to date. The priest who embraced me was Father Gabriele Amorth, the foremost exorcist in the Catholic church. I had been asked to come to the Vatican in Rome to meet Father Amorth, who has appeared with me in several documentaries, including the recent special on A&E."
Also put Amorth's name in a cumbey search.
read the article it is from Bob Larson, so you can take it with a grain of salt, but I am sure Fr. Amorth doesn't know as much about Larson as we do, and this meeting was because of a documentary being worked on.
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=3223
good article on all this. The self centered silliness it refers to can often be a conveyorbelt into the politics.
That is why it is important to attack the ground laying ideas themselves. Undermine the NAM by attacking part of its infrastructure, converts to it.
1. prevent conversion to it, or undermine a process ongoing already, stop it at some less harmful point.
2. unconvert the ones converted to it.
I'm glad you finally discovered Lee Penn. Constance has had him on her show many times. I knew of his work even before his book came out. You may be on your way to learning about the New Age movement Christine. Congratulations.
No I didn't finally discover him, and I don't get functional in time to listen to her show very often. I have used his material before.
Do you ever look at herescope.com on her links section on this blog's front page?
everything you condemn as distraction is an examination of essential details of the NAM. And from what I gather from apparently unrelated research, the libertarian economics movement of privatization and no govt. to speak of is probably NAM connected, if not in origin then it is so by now. Pride and stupidity could spawn it, but it is NAM compatible, because the ultimate goal is rule by elites, not by elected or otherwise accountable government.
you think I want attention and you are giving it to me?
tell you what. why don't you just ignore me and stop being a blog hog.
Aw gee Christine. So sad seeing you pout. I can't ignore you. You are relief from needed seriousness.
Here is a fact sheet by the press office of the white house on this new transatlantic trade and investment partnership (TTIP) between the EU and US. This will bring a huge change to the world economy as the EU and US constitute 40% of the world's total economy. One concern I have about this is will this in the future make the US feel obligated to do bail outs for EU countries in trouble like for example Greece?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/06/17/fact-sheet-transatlantic-trade-and-investment-partnership-t-tip
most likely yes. Lindsay Williams had two elite friends who were willing to tell him what was up, one now dead so his name is released, and one still alive so anonymous. (and there seems to be a pattern of signalling ahead of time what they are up to, either some point of honor like in bushido or more likely a way of letting the smarter ones survive who are not elite, but would supply new blood in future generations.)
Seems a major collapse of the American economy is planned sometime late this year. Also they had planned to take down middle eastern countries pretty much in the order they have been being attacked by NATO on one pretext or another.
Gen. Wesley Clark revealed a similar list he had seen in a military context. Before it all started. Before 9-11.
Gaddafi's real crime in NATO eyes, was that he was starting to use gold and was working to replace the petro dollar with a new currency and was giving subsidies to the poor. This despite the bitching about socialism and welfare in this country is not something elites really want.
The IMF always demands austerity measures when it makes a loan. Likewise, there were subsidies in Egypt under Mubarak and I think more so under Nasser, and these are over.
Depopulation and misery are what the elites who pull the strings really want, and whether they adhere to a NAM ideology or not, they undoubtedly find it useful at times. Constance writes about the hijacking of evangelicalism from the perspective of watching out for the NAM, but Antipasministries.com writes about it from the perspective of churches preaching evil on two fronts - pride and greed for the individual, and empire for the country.
Their analysis of the USA as end times Babylon is good. I am not sure USA is THE Babylon, but the parallels are striking, enough to expect divine wrath on us sooner or later. Contra Antipas demand we emigrate, "come out of her my people" to avoid partaking of her sins and to avoid getting caught in the wrath on her, while in the ancient city state that would be an issue, in the hinterlands of Babylonia defined as the empire, one would still be in "Babylon" but outside the zone of wrath and farther from controls and demands and persecution and temptations. So "come out of her" could as well be fulfilled by moving away from military and political and corruptive social centers but still in the US. Canada seems to have some plans of joining with the USA and Mexico in one huge North American Union patterned after the EU, with the Amero replacing the dollar and other currencies, and the I-35 corridor is being worked on to make this an international connection.
Also explains why the borders are not being secured - they are to be phased out altogether.
google north american union, amero,
and go to http://antipasministries.com for some hard hitting analyses of what is wrong with the USA and American Christianity and its deviation in general tone and values from Biblical Christianity.
"The IMF always demands austerity measures when it makes a loan."
Yeah. Wouldn't you?
"Seems a major collapse of the American economy is planned sometime late this year."
Planned my ***. Wall Street has cowed the US government into printing huge amounts of money to bail it out on the grounds that the big banks are too large to fail and if they did then the entire US economy would come down like a house of cards. That argument fails to take into account that the collateral on Wall Street is mainly trash whereas the collateral on Main Street is fairly solid because smalltown bank managers lend only to plausible clients. Wall St could take a beating without taking Main Street down with it. Depositors' accounts could be guaranteed without breaking the Treasury, and those investment banks which have behaved irresponsibly would be wiped out - exactly as they should be. Instead they have got craven Ben Bernanke at the Fed bailing them out, and it will, indirectly, be everybody else who pays. Under this strategy the Fed will someday lose control, however, because the bond markets are bigger than they are, and the resulting problems - hyperinflation or mass default on loans - will be worse for Bernanke's appeasement of his friends in Wall St. The timing of these things CANNOT be planned. The bankers who will then come unstuck pretty much ARE the NWO, so don't say that their demise is planned... by whom??
Austerity in European countries means GOVERNMENT austerity and it is high time that governments stopped spending more than they take in. Don't be fooled by videos of "the people" demanding "an end to austerity" in Europe. You can bet that everybody in those demos is on the public payroll or the recipient of government largesse aka electoral bribery. The private sector which ACTUALLY MAKES the money that the government then takes in taxes is glad to see government austerity, I can assure you.
anon 6:46 the IMF is supposedly there to help countries with financial problems and is supposedly some kind of trans national "agency" kind of thing, but it is for profit and at more than mere minimal interest. It is not some rotating fund like a FINCA loan.
No I would not demand austerity that caused harm.
So called government austerity that means less spending is exactly the problem, the people whose survival in increasing inflation of prices depend on subsidies.
The NWO depopulation and eugenics agendas (not identical but overlap) want as many people dead of starvation or of disease starvation encourages by weakening the body as possible.
No, the collapse will not hurt the elites who run the banks. They will bail out before assets crash. The bank crash and panics and so forth will facilitate martial law because of the reaction of the people affected.
Sure the banks are the NWO, that is a big part of it, that is not all there is to it. There was some research done a year or more ago, that shows the majority of corporations in the world are owned by another layer of fewer corporations, and so forth, and at the top by interlocking directorates and so forth are I forget how many but very few individuals and corporations. Its like a pyramid.
Those people at the top will gain in a crash, and are the ones who will be using the social upheaval to their advantage or try to.
The private sector is precisely the part that will suffer most. They won't have huge holdings of stocks and bonds they can dump just before this happens, facilitating it happening also (ever hear of insider trading?).
Their ability to make money is dependent on capital that incl. loans from banks, their overhead is interest which by the modern creative bookkeeping is budgeted in as payments to make each year so that the books SEEM to balance, but they are running on deficit like the govt. is.
They won't be able to pay on the loans, the taxes, upkeep or make any money because no one will be buying except for the rare example of super rich. They will go under.
govt. subsidies keep fuel and food prices low, these will skyrocket.
because most people pay rent (taxes) to the govt. AND rent (mortgage) to a bank on the property they live on, OR they rent outright from people who pay the foregoing, they will lose their homes as well as places of business.
In Russia, when the Heritage Foundation (allegedly conservative, but all is not as it seems sometimes) rushed Russia into free market capitalism, no one owned the homes they lived in so no one foreclosed and kicked them out.
Russia had a soft landing, most people didn't end up going through the Russian winters without shelter.
It might be different here.
note on govt. austerity - what is explicitly demanded is austerity in govt. spending that supports the poor. safety net stuff.
not the govt. spending that helps the rich back of military etc. spending. and not spending on infrastructure that would do anything but a few logging and mining companies any good.
"note on govt. austerity - what is explicitly demanded is austerity in govt. spending that supports the poor. safety net stuff."
You are behind the times. Welfare was genuinely conceived as a safety net but the more socialist parties soon realised that they could use it as a fishing net, because anybody in receipt of government monies or owrking for government always votes for the more socialist party. Here in Europe the tax-and-welfare system now subsidises, and therefore fuels, sexual immorality and its consequences, and idleness. Subsidies and taxes grow under socialist parties and merely stay static under supposedly conservative parties so there is a longterm ratchet effect toward socialism, aka communism without the revolution. Taxes climb ever higher, governments get ever deeper in debt, people are encouraged in their sins. This is corrupt and cannot go on indefinitely, and it should not.
"No, the collapse will not hurt the elites who run the banks. They will bail out before assets crash."
Nonsense. Nobody knows market timing. We know what is coming but not when, and they don't either. They are powerful but they are not omnipotent.
The free market capitalism which made America great depends on contract law being enforceable and on a certain minimum of workforce corruption. (Imagine trying to set up and run a company where everybody is on the take.) People in the Third world have to work at least as hard as Westerners to stay alive, but they are much poorer and mass corruption is why. In Russia contract law is not very enforceable. You continually laud it here - same church system as yours, now a nice financial system. Why don't you learn the language and go to this utopia and live there in bliss? That would make many people happy, I am sure.
"The private sector is precisely the part that will suffer most...
Their ability to make money is dependent on capital that incl. loans from banks, their overhead is interest... they are running on deficit like the govt. is."
Stop generalising. Many businesses run no debt whatsoever (including mine).
"Those people at the top will gain in a crash, and are the ones who will be using the social upheaval to their advantage or try to."
This is the part of conspiracy theory that I find nonsensical.
If there is a group of elites whose wealth is gotten from the things they supposedly control, like the banks, etc, then why would they intentionally destroy the very things that provide that wealth?
"To be able to control the people in the aftermath of a collapse" the conspiracy argument would say. But.... if the mechanisms of control (banks, governments, etc) have been collapsed / destroyed, then how do those elites maintain control in the aftermath?
In my opinion, war, or more specifically, owning the matériel of war, is the only thing that will guarantee coming out on top in the coming conflagrations. I believe another world war is the Next Big Thing, initiated by those in the East who have wanted to see the destruction of the West for a long time now. This includes Russia and China, mainly, with their use of Islamic terrorism as a "proxy" with which to weaken us. After all, who invented middle-eastern terrorism in its modern form? The KGB did.
My guess is that a lot of the "elites" whose names populate all those "Who's Who in the NWO" lists out there on the internet will crash and burn along with the rest of the West when the attack from the East finally comes, in whatever form.
There is no need to invent someone "higher up" that gains from the coming war, as if there has to be someone more powerful in place than an evil, anti-West, corrupt government (or an alliance of such governments) that owns more missiles than we do to explain the "why" of, say, a surprise nuclear attack a la Pearl Harbor.
07/15
You are correct unless the people who are at the top are able to make the rules for whatever follows a crash. Then they can make the "new" economy into whatever they want with whatever rules they want.
Anon 2:33....
This is easier to do on a smaller scale, where the rule of law has little sway over the population, such as a third-world country. But it is much more difficult to do on a global scale.
The only scenario I can think of that would enable a global revamping of the economic rules would be a devastating world war. The "phoenix rising from the ashes" of such a war will most likely be the Antichrist and Beast system.
But it might just be an "archgeneral" of some kind that comes into power - a modern-day Caesar or Alexander the Great, with the return of our Lord being a distant future event.
Here's an interesting article that thinks along those lines, just put up today:
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/follow-the-leader
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-687_en.htm
Wow the EU is really busy lately. Now they are working out economic and trade negotiations with the EAC (Eastern African Community). Looks very much like the TTIP with the US.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/15/obama-george-hw-bush_n_3600279.html
The democrats and republicans really come together and are very friendly to each other when an event happens in connection with a New Age theme and an organization helping to condition us towards a new global order. The Points of Light Foundation was started from George H.W. Bush's famous "1000 Points of Light" speech back in 1989. Here is their main website and much worth checking out. Make sure you click on "Who We Are" and the leadership and other organizations who are activily involved with Points of Light. And all their sponsers. I notice one quote they use is engaging the country into "a force for good". I dont knock the voluteerism going on and the good they do especially for children, but after viewing their web site and watching the program at the White House today with Obama and George H.W. Bush it sure seems this is something being used to push us further into globalization both economically and politically.
http://www.pointsoflight.org/
businessman, you may not be running on a deficit, have no loans, but you are running on income from buyers or clients who ARE running on such, whose money depends on employment or stock portfolios that can be at risk.
The elites want two things from such a crash. Buy up dirt cheap everything or just take it foreclosure and do some paperwork gimmick to put it where they can
use it or eventually after a slow recovery they ride out in their mansions, resell at top dollar.
Second, they want totalitarianism of the sort more easily installed in response to social chaos.
and now for something completely different, as Monty Python used to say, parodying news propgrams about to talk about something very similar.
This is relevant to the overall picture.
Like Alex Jones, I dismissed the birth certificate issue about Obama, until I saw the workup on that released pseudo document. Details are on this program, which interviews one of Joe Arpaio's crew I think. Arpaio began the investigation assuming he would prove Obama legit, and put the argument to rest. Instead, he found the opposite.
Someone who starts from bias A and concludes the opposite B is someone to listen to. So are the cyber details on the examination of it.
(this is the same scenario of a couple of unbelievers, who set out to disprove the Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and ended up writing books that support it.)
This a good reason to not be too quick to dismiss information or suspicions because of where they start. Usually it is a good reason, but some things need a closer look anyway. In this case, it was overt and closet racists who were starting the hue and cry, and on less evidence than Arpaio had.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyulBKTq0X8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg
more in depth discussions of it are on the web.
note also the peculiarities surrounding the deaths of Breitbart and whatsisname whose car blew up BEFORE impact to a minimally damaged tree.
Now, according to I forget who, Obama got the word from Hillary to toe her line or something would come out.
The big picture is not only NWO but start WW 3 to further it. This Obama has refused so far to do.
Another part, is that the first black president is a fraud, and can be blamed for failures to accomplish what we was elected for, he is a smooth talking liar. This is one of the negative black stereotypes, a jive turkey.
However the Obamacare thing was fought tooth and nail by both parties, and was finally written by the insurance agencies to their advantage. Sure they won't be able to reject pre existing conditions. But they can charge a lot more for them.
Afghanistan and Gitmo? well, even if he did intent to stop these he has to consider assassination.
So regardless of his intentions, the overall mess works to NWO and elitist globalist and otherwise advantage, and even works to racist advantage.
http://stormcloudsgathering.com/5-reasons-globalism-will-fail
"businessman, you may not be running on a deficit, have no loans, but you are running on income from buyers or clients who ARE running on such, whose money depends on employment or stock portfolios that can be at risk."
True. but I have an international diversity of clients, which is the business equivalent of a widely spread portfolio, and - above all - my business would be in better shape to survive a downturn if it were taxed less heavily by unscrupulous politicians using my money on electoral bribery.
"Someone who starts from bias A and concludes the opposite B is someone to listen to."
Not necessarily. If they were fed disinformation (or stumbled across it on the internet - which is easy to do), as I highly suspect is the case (at the very least) with Alex Jones, then no, they are not to be listened to. They are to be avoided.
Alex Jones has been learning on the job so to speak for years. But he has, despite his hysterical and libertarian tendencies been putting together stuff pretty well, things I knew independently of him.
That link is an interview with one of the investigators Arpaio put on the Obama birth certificate issue, and also addresses the oddities of the deaths of those two men who were onto something. It is worth listening to, or you can take more time and trouble and research it from other sources you will come out with the same information.
Breitbart dies, it is called natural causes before there is an autopsy, and the guy who does the autopsy is suddendly dead of arsenic poisoning.
Hastings if that was the name dies in a car crash - which blows the engine out the back, despite the fact the car is not so nearly damaged up front as it should be if impact did this, the tree is barely scarred, not like a serious impact, and two or three witnesses saw the car explode BEFORE impact.
If that doesn't get your hackles up nothing will.
When Germany suffered economic collapse after WW I and America had the Great Depression, did the average person benefit? hardly.
When things go to pieces, you are going to have MORE govt. and MORE taxes because there will put to use all that DHS and regular military and so forth to install martial law to control the riots and whatnot.
Economic crisis is on the list of things that can trigger martial law in the executive orders issued over the years on the subject.
And as for your clients, well, unless they are elites themselves, the ultimate goal is to take down all EU and USA into the condition of Greece so as to have enough trouble to do a takeover. Remember what came out of Germany's postwar chaos before WW II, eh?
"And as for your clients, well, unless they are elites themselves, the ultimate goal is to take down all EU and USA into the condition of Greece so as to have enough trouble to do a takeover. Remember what came out of Germany's postwar chaos before WW II, eh?"
My humble apologies Christine, I went to Wikipedia and learned all about a nasty man called Hilter or something like that who I'd never heard of before your reminder. He seemed to me to be very naughty, but I know so little compared to the erudition displayed here.
My clients are mainly in the Far East.
Anonymous 12:18 How fortunate for you that you found this site. As you know now, no one knows more about everything than Christine. As I've been told by an insider, she has this crystal ball in front of her into which she peers when any topic comes up, and who are we to argue with a crystal ball, particularly one that knows all about used snot filled hankies. If only we could get Christine to run the Weather Channel.
"When things go to pieces, you are going to have MORE govt. and MORE taxes because there will put to use all that DHS and regular military and so forth to install martial law to control the riots and whatnot."
Spetsnaz troops in place here in this country could neutralize a lot of what you mentioned above (military, DHS, law enforcement), while at the same time pushing the riots along.
In my opinion, this is not just some leftover Cold War paranoia. There exists a real threat in this regard. Please read Jeff Nyquist's work, as well as the online English version of "Spetsnaz: The Story Behind The Soviet SAS", by Victor Suvorov, which can be found here:
http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/index.html
Check out especially chapter 15, and please note that it was written in 1987, before the Berlin wall was dismantled. But the principles to be gleaned from it remain the same today.
The above work refers to preparatory phases to attack or invasion as "gray terror". These are perpetrated events that lead the target country into a state of more and more chaos. Communists have always, for example, done what they could to promote racial strife in this country.
Divide and conquer. Get a people to mistrust, hate, and even attack its own government (or each other). While things are falling apart within, the time for an external attack will be ripe.
Can you see why I am so mistrustful of people like Alex Jones? Especially when he is constantly on media outlets like Russia Today. Russia Today is a propaganda mouthpiece for the Kremlin.
clients in the far east - well, you should be okay then, if Daniel 7 plays out as I think it might see latest post on http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-16/jim-rogers-beware-man-white-horse
Jim Rogers implies that the United States and specifically the office of the President represents the renewed Roman Empire and Tyrant.
This is the position of Antipas Ministries. They make a very good case for the USA being end times Babylon the Great.
Now, I have a few doubts about that because of some other evaluations and timing, if Revelation is entirely sequential, which it may not be. BUT...
wikipedia lists all the cities that claim to be situated on seven hills.
The USA has twelve of them, and there is a small town named Babylon in the NYC harbor vicinity.
Even if USA is not Babylon the Great, it has been acting enough like it, and fulfilling all the descriptors enough, to draw divine wrath.
Christine, everything human is fallen and deserves divine wrath, but if we are going to get into an ugliness competition then the Islamic bloc far exceeds the USA - it treats women cruelly, is aggressive to its neighbours, has appalling civil rights, etc. To single out the USA as deserving of divine wrath is myopic. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that you live in the USA so that you can see its faults without need of the imagination required to understand daily life in Islamic countries. As I recall, you are in receipt of Welfare payments from Uncle Sam, so maybe a little gratitude would be in order?
Thanks 7:02 a.m. for keepin' it real.
7:02 you are NOT keepin' it real. both you and 11:28 need to review just what the characteristics of Babylon the Great are.
These include cruelty and immorality and persecution of Christians, true. But there is a lot more besides. It is a great economic power and importer of all kinds of goods and services.
Here is Antipas Ministries list of biblical descriptions of her.
"The Bible describes Prophetic Babylon - the eleventh horn (i.e., the "younger" horn) - as follows [and here we only use descriptions of Prophetic Babylon that are generally recognized as such by "mainline" evangelicals):
She dwells in the midst of many waters - she is protected by the waters [or oceans] which surround her [literally, she is said to dwell "in the heart of the seas" - Pember, Earth's Earliest Ages, pg. 46). Indeed, Antichrist is pictured by Ezekiel as exulting in the strength of his sea-girt nation, and likening himself, in proud reliance upon his inaccessible dwelling, to the God that sitteth above the heavens [Ezekiel 28:1-2; Jeremiah 51:13).
Her People are a mingled people - that is to say, a "melting pot." (Jeremiah 50:37).
She evidently has never known the heel of a conqueror and is exceedingly powerful militarily (Revelation 18:4-5 - implied, Jer. 50:23).
The nations of the earth are dominated by her (Rev. 18:9); she is an arrogant, proud, and haughty nation (Jer. 50:23).
She is the greatest economic power in the world, a power so great that the nations of the earth are able to grow rich if they can trade with her or are allowed access to her domestic markets in which to sell their goods (Revelation 18:3, 11, 12).
By means of her economic power [covetousness] she controls the world; gluttony reigns as the people (or the elites which control this nation) live sumptuously [but want more - their appetite never satisfied], while many in the world starve (Jeremiah 50:38; 51:12-13).
Her people do not know the bitterness of poverty and live in great wealth (Revelation 18:7).
The nations of the earth must trade with her by sea (a confirmation of #1 above - Revelation 18:19, 23).
The people of Babylon are exceedingly materialistic and are madly in love with their worldly possessions which have become their idols (Jeremiah 50:38); her tastes are extravagant (Rev. 18:14); she is a nation of great material attainments; and her achievements in the "fine arts" [i.e., music, dance, literature, films, etc.] are renowned throughout the world and copied everywhere (implied - Rev. 18:22; Jer. 51:53).
Babylon is described as a vast latter-day nation, not as a single city (Jer. 50-51). In fact, she is a nation of MANY influential cities (Rev. 18:18). In this connection, it is necessary to note that we are here talking not of mere city to be rebuilt on the site of Ancient Babylon; such a concept is in conflict with Isa. 13:19-22.
Babylon is described as a nation which at one time was a God-fearing nation [a "Golden Cup" in the Lord's hand], but a nation which left God and fell into degradation and then which intoxicated the rest of the world with her iniquity. (Jer. 51:7).
Finally, she is a nation that "has reached for the stars [heavens]" - i.e., space (Jer. 51:53).
Now, we ask the reader to put all emotion and feelings aside, and to decide the following question in light of the cold, hard, SCRIPTURAL facts: which nation are we talking about here? We want to emphasize that what has been presented is nothing new. It's just that evangelicals refuse to come to grips with the truth of the prophetic Scriptures."
http://www.antipasministries.com/newantipaspapers/chapter12b.htm
Now I have a few doubts about this scenario, but the matchup is overwhelming. Which means we are in big trouble.
here is my take on Daniel 7 vision of four beasts.
1. USA doesn't have to be THE Babylon of Revelation to be acting a whole lot like it, enough to draw down divine wrath. Antipas Ministeries evaluation therefore may be substantially correct in pragmatic terms for now.
2. Daniel speaks of 3 beasts, then a fourth. one is a lion with wings, who loses his wings and stands upright like a man "and a man's heart was given to it." Since Daniel's visions were often for the latter days, we should look at symbolic relevance to now incl. location of animals described. (Daniel is told later by an angel, that is the latter days knowledge would greatly increase and men would run to and fro, sounds like the past 300 or 400 years especially the past 200. So these are latter days, but not the end yet.)
Britain is often associated with a lion, and USA is its child and long an ally and the starting point for modern known flight. commercial, military, space. even working on TAVs, transatmospheric vehicles, which can go up into orbit, lower to attack and return to orbit. google Richard Dolan for the possibility of a breakaway civilization.
So USA and Britain and the whole NATO scene will get taken down, lose the air superiority, etc. The change of a lion into a man is a lessening in power, but an increase in spiritual (biblical not New Age sense) quality, because now it is like made in the image of God. The heart is not emotions, but the deep part of the mind.
So there is a loss of worldly power, but repentance, and they no longer host the
evil even satanic elites and Nazi parasite or admire and seek to be like it.
The next beast is a bear, raised up on one side, 3 ribs in its mouth. Bear would relate to Russia. It will become the world power in northern Asia and most of Europe likely.
Probably be involved in wars in the Middle East.
The next one is a leopard with FOUR wings and FOUR heads. the habitat of the leopard
is Asia, Far East, China and Africa, mostly subsaharan, the north african populations being scanty. The most likely player to attain to such power is China, positioning itself to do exactly that. Four wings - commercial, military, local space, and far exploration space perhaps? colonizing Mars? and beyond?
There are no leopards in South America, but the jaguar strongly resembles a leopard, and its range used
to include the American southwest.
the four heads might relate to four general centers of its power, China, Iran, part of Africa and part of South America and/or Mexico. This scenario fits its actual positioning now, though Iran is dubious but it is ready with Pakistan and Russia to support Iran in the even of it being attacked.
The fourth beast has ten horns, and is something unlike anything Daniel has seen
before, he cannot describe it in terms of a known predator. At this point, go read
Revelation for more information. It apparently tramples and destroys all the foregoing
and gives rise to the antichrist.
This scenario makes the most sense in terms of both Scripture and what has been going on lately.
http://politicallyunclassifiable.blogspot.com/2013/07/america-in-prophecy-maybe-excursus-on.html
and somewhere on youtube is a good argument against the idea that there will be a revived Roman empire at least consisting of Europe. What may be ignored in that lecture, and certainly is ignored by the eurocentric and americentric view of prophecy, is that the Roman Empire wasn't just the western section. Thee was an eastern section completely ignored by these people, which is nowdays mostly moslem.
one flaw in Antipas Ministries assessment and that of some others, is saying Babylon in Iraq never became vacant and avoided by shepherds and bedouins. True, it continued as a city for a long time, but the original old city (as we would call it like the original core in some city like, Sacramento or something) was destroyed, and the part that was buried under the desert was indeed viewed as haunted and no one camped there at night when the archaeologists and european adventurers started wandering around there.
Russia on full alert and ordering planes into combat readiness.
"Unfortunately, the US mainstream media is too busy covering the minor intricacies of what George Zimmerman ate for breakfast today to discuss the potential brewing of mega conflict."
Read more: http://www.storyleak.com/russia-amasses-full-combat-readiness-strategic-bombers/#ixzz2ZOJFl5gB
If anyone knows of a another serious site where the New Age movement is being discussed and the site is monitored, please let us know. It may not be labeled New Age, but anyone who has been following the topic for some time knows what is considered important. No further comment should be needed.
Given that the New Age wants a global govt. as an excuse for a common religion (which will not be Christianity) and various means incl. WW 3 are accepted ways of doing this among them, to judge by some of their own statements when you connect the dots, this is not all that off topic.
Really, anon 6:40, I think you are either ignorant, a NAM pawn intentionally to keep the big picture and its parts from being discussed or just plain foolish.
Anon 6:40 AM...
I have suggested that in the past. What would really be nice is a moderated forum where some ground rules are set up, and trolls and other detractors can be banned (temporarily or permanently as needed).
Constance doesn't have the time to help moderate or set up such a forum, so if you or someone else has the time to do so, by all means please do.
I've helped moderate a forum for about 6 years now, and it takes a lot of time and energy. It is about to its "end-of-life".
Many who post here do so anonymously, so you'd have to find a forum that would allow that to continue, at least anonymous to the public. The moderators would know at least the IP address of the poster, and an email address. This helps keep someone who was banned from registering again with a different username and coming right back in and disrupting things.
It's not foolproof, but it works pretty well.
A moderated forum also organizes discussions in a better way and helps people find info easier. The New Age has many different facets that could each have their own "subforum". For example, there would be one called "Maitreya". Or maybe a broader category called "New Age Personalities" where things about Maitreya, Barbara Marx Hubbard, Donald Keyes, etc, would be found. It's all up to those who run the board how it would be set up.
The Fulfilled Prophecy website has a discussion forum, and a lot of New Age stuff is discussed over there. Not near as much nor as in-depth as here though. With all its faults, this is the best repository of research into the New Age Movement. It's just getting harder and harder to find among the noise, to which I've been a contributor in the past, so I'm casting a stone my way as well.
the problem with the scenario you present, is that people who don't think or care to go to a subforum will miss stuff they might find useful. Here they will find all kinds of things at once.
And too much fragmentation leaves the student with a fragmented picture, exactly the picture the NAM and NWO movements want us to have. Not to really get the big picture or leads to it on one page.
11:13 heavily fragments most topics around here. Would be nice if you let others add(and you subtract some more)and they can help with filling in the big picture.
12:57 you are very dishonest or totally miss the point. The fragmentation would be accomplished by splitting things into subforums. The presence of differing pieces of the puzzle together where they can be pursued by readers who please to do so is the opposite of fragmenting.
Dishonesty IS apparent without question, in saying I don't let others add, since NOTHING is preventing others from posting.
as your post's existence shows.
I think I will ignore you people for a while, who hog the blog with complaints. My answers (like this one) while sometimes necessary, often just add to your blog hogging by not contributing much but answering you.
Answers to Marko's disagreement are different, because specific issues and details are discussed. But merely calling you out is a waste of space.
I think others have already seen through you, since every so often there is a praise given me, or a comment like I must be doing something right to have all this opposition.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/obamas-secret-8-billion-bribe-to-the-muslim-brotherhood/
Obama’s Secret $8 Billion Bribe To The Muslim Brotherhood
According to Arabic News Channel TV14 and reported on by Egypt Daily News, Obama’s relationship with recently deposed Muslim Brotherhood President Mohammed Morsi goes far deeper than mere support as a democratically elected President.
Per TV14, Obama conducted secret negotiations with Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood outside of normal diplomatic channels.
According to sources cited by TV14, Obama secretly transferred eight billion dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood—not the Egyptian government—as payment to guarantee that a large portion of the Sinai Peninsula be turned over to the terrorist organization Hamas, an avowed enemy of both the United States and Israel.
The secret agreement was signed by deposed Egyptian president Mohammed Morsi and his second in command, Khairat el Shater.
Who on the U.S. side signed the agreement and where Barack Obama got the eight billion dollars is not clear. When Mohammed Morsi was deposed and arrested by the Egyptian military, evidence of the secret agreement was discovered and seized.
Further, per the news segment, which has been uploaded to YouTube and has since gone viral, secret negotiations between Obama and the Egyptian military—specifically Colonel Abdul al-Sisi, head of the Armed Forces—were ongoing to ensure the agreement remained hidden. Per the secret negotiations, in exchange for Obama recognizing the Egyptian military as legitimate, Colonel al-Sisi promised to keep Obama’s illegal agreement with the Muslim Brotherhood secret. However, a source within the Egyptian military leaked Obama’s nefarious activities to TV14 and the world.
If Obama’s secret agreement with the Muslim Brotherhood is proven correct, it may spell the end for the Obama administration once and for all. Obama may have illegally siphoned off funds from the US Treasury and committed treason by attempting to turn land over to Hamas, a group that is not only an enemy to the United States, but has vowed to destroy every Jew on the face of the earth. If Obama’s nefarious plan would have been realized, Hamas’ control of the Sinai Peninsula would have put Israel in an indefensible position and would have led to a second holocaust.
If proven to be true, this would go far beyond the Constitution’s requirement of High Crimes and Misdemeanors as a basis for impeachment. It would mean treason, possible life in prison, or even the death penalty for Barack Hussein Obama.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20130718/NEWS05/307180013/House-panel-seeks-full-review-causes-behind-VA-claims-backlog
House panel seeks full review of causes behind VA claims backlog
A House subcommittee voted Wednesday to support an independent review of the cause and possible remedy for the veterans’ disability claims backlog.
The move comes at a time when the backlog is shrinking, but the Veterans Affairs Department still is taking, on average, 243 days to process a claim.
The House Veterans’ Affairs Committee’s disability assistance panel also passed legislation allowing VA to begin giving partial disability compensation payments to veterans who file complicated claims if there are some easily decided issues involved, and to expand the use of private physicians to conduct compensation and pension examinations.
Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla., chairman of the full veterans’ committee, is the chief sponsor of HR 2189, the measure that would create a multi-agency task force to review the veterans’ claims backlog.
“What we need is an outside independent analysis to clearly identify, first, why the backlog exists, and even as important, if not more so, to prevent the backlog from ever occurring again,” Miller said.
The number of pending claims is falling, to 745,000 as of Monday, with 498,000 of those pending for longer than VA’s self-imposed goal of 125 days. That is down from a total of 823,000 pending disability claims at the start of the year, when 589,000 claims were 125 days old or older.
VA also is making progress both in processing its oldest claims and in improving claims accuracy. The accuracy rate on claims is 89 percent, the highest level recorded, according to congressional staffers.
And in an effort launched in April to reduce the backlog, VA has processed 97 percent of disability claims that are at least two years old and is now focusing on claims pending for one to two years, with 15 percent completed.
Miller acknowledges the progress but said, “I think now is not the time to take the foot off the gas. We need to continue moving forward.”
Alexander Nicholson, legislative director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, described a “confidence deficit” among veterans that VA is on a path to eliminate the backlog with the many reforms of the claims process already underway.
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/07/18/the-clergy-what-are-they-good-for/
Christians are increasingly unlikely to think their clergy contribute to the well-being of society. That data point comes form a new Gallup poll on attitudes towards professions. The results contain some stark numbers for men and women of the cloth:
Just 37% of Americans surveyed think the clergy make a big contribution to society, about the same as in 2009. Regular churchgoers tend to be more positive about ministers, priests and other clergy members. But even among adults who say they attend religious services at least once a week, only about half (52%) rate clergy in general as contributing “a lot” to society, while 29% say the clergy make “some” contribution, and 11% say the clergy contribute “not very much” or “nothing at all.”
All Christian sub-groups think scientists contribute more to the well-being of society than clergy, and both Hispanic Catholics and African American Protestants are particularly unlikely to see much social value in the ministry.
These numbers point to one of the deep structural changes making institutional religion less plausible to today’s spiritual seekers. In ages past, the clergy were the most literate and educated people in their areas, as well as being skilled in both medicine and governance. Even as time went on and some of those skill-sets became more specialized, clergy still served a social and vocational role that exceed religious functions narrowly understood.
Most of this is gone now. The clergy are no longer the most educated people around, and their authority is no longer buttressed by earthly (and thus easily grasped) skills like medicine and law. In the Catholic Church especially, the declining number of priests means that the remaining ones have less time to invest in community functions. Under these circumstances, it’s hard to see what the clergy is for—what service they provide over and above the other resources out there.
There’s no easy answer to the puzzles presented to the church by these changing socio-economic conditions. The next generation of Christian leaders are going to have to find creative ways of addressing them if the American Christianity is going to grow and thrive.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/is-islam-truly-standing-shoulder-to-shoulder-with-other-religions
Is Islam Truly Standing 'Shoulder to Shoulder' With Other Religions?
by JANET LEVY July 18, 2013
Recently, Christian Bible translators considered changes that would make Christian scriptures more palatable to Muslim audiences. Instead of "in the name of the Father," they put forth the phrase "in the name of Allah." "Baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Spirit" was reformulated as "Cleanse them in the name of Allah, his Messiah, and his Holy Spirit." In addition, Isa a prophet of Allah in the Koran who is superseded by Mohammed, has been equated with Jesus in the Christian Bible. Of course, many Christians view this as blasphemy.
The push for biblical changes came in large part from Christian leaders of the "Insider Movement" who endeavor to reach Muslim communities by encouraging Muslims to embrace Christianity by "worshipping Jesus or Isa in the mosque." This is an accommodation to enable Muslims to follow Jesus, yet not explicitly express Christian faith. The "Insider Movement" has been gaining steam for the past decade and advances the idea of the blending of faith rather than complete conversion to Christianity.
It remains to be seen if these modifications or conscious accommodations to Islam, created by proselytizing Christians, threaten the integrity of Christian beliefs. However, a more significant threat to Christianity has existed for years in the form of ongoing, aggressive interfaith activities spearheaded by Muslims who use this religious context to shield their ulterior motive: spreading the supremacy of Islam.
This deceptive undertaking is part of the phased plan for "civilizational jihad" put forth by the Muslim Brotherhood in "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America." Muslims have been encouraged to form coalitions under the guise of cooperation in order to "absorb" Western culture. They have been encouraged to "take from people the best they have" and "understand the benefit of agreement, cooperation, and alliance." This effort has translated into establishing so-called "interfaith" groups and ostensibly fostering "interfaith" activities. The problem has been that all cooperation and accommodations are one-way, favoring Muslims and Islam.
.......I guess this is the Muslim version of Chrislam, the New Age blending of religions.
4:30 it seems to me, that this view of the clergy, unless it is shaped by carefully crafted questions in the forms given by canvassers, reflects a fleshly view in itself.
the clergy used to be the ones dealing in issues and having skills that now non clergy handle, true, but these are only means of accomplishing Jesus' mandate to help the poor and ignorant and
so forth.
The real purpose of clergy, is to teach the Word and apply it and counsel people on applying it in their individual lives. (a lot of clergy down the ages have been a tad biblically illiterate, hence we have the idea of marriage as to produce children, not the biblical picture of first and foremost a relationship, and into that context children will usually come. There are other issues incl. doctrinal that come from not reading the whole Bible over and over, as much as possible in each reading.)
If American Christianity is to grow and thrive as a worldly institution, it won't be Biblical Christianity.
http://www.lumen.org/back_issue_list/back_issue_list.html
Gnosis #48 (Summer '98) Witchcraft & Paganism
Includes Chas Clifton on the nature of Paganism, Starhawk and Carol Christ interview, the surprising (and recent) origin of Wicca, the Goddess movement, an exposé of some recent "Celtic spirituality" books, more.
Gnosis #49 (Fall '98) The New Age
Includes D. Patrick Miller on the media's view of alternative spirituality, José and Lloydine Argüelles interview, Bob Banner on leaving a spiritual community, Carole Brooks Platt on inner voices, Robin Robertson on active imagination, more.
"i think I will ignore you people for a while, who hog the blog with complaints. My answers (like this one) while sometimes necessary, often just add to your blog hogging by not contributing much but answering you."
Great. Don't you be dishonest to say that and then keep on with the same ole same ole crowding out others posts and want to read someone besides you all the time. (collapse comments yadayadayada does not help.....)
Christine,
Thank you for sharing the link about Russia making their bombers combat ready and also amassing 160,000 combat troups. This is definately something to watch since our nation's top military officer informed congress that our government is considering using force in the Syrian conflict. Here is that news story from Huffington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/us-considering-use-of-force-syria-dempsey_n_3617079.htm
Sorry I meant our top military officer Dempsey informed a Senate committee today, not congress.
http://www.servicegrowth.net/index.php?cat=33 An excellent website. I can't wait to share all of the groups, one at a time, starting with http://iarf.net/
The International Association for Religious Freedom with its articles such as In the Name of the Lord: Understanding Blasphemy Laws
Here's the overview of the group International Association for Religious Freedom
Working for freedom of religion & belief at a global level. Encouraging interfaith dialogue & tolerance, with member groups in 25 countries, from faith traditions including Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Shinto & Zoroastrianism. An International Council of 15 members, representing numerous faith groups, guides the work of the organisation.
So much New Age material to become aware of.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/us-considering-use-of-force-syria-dempsey_n_3617079.html
John, you're welcome. the link didn't work but I tacked an l after the htm and it worked.
what these freedom of religion people don't get, is that for some religions freedom requires freedom to proselyse, and for others freedom to kill proselytizers and their converts. interesting source, for those who don't know this stuff already, and good to track who pushing it is listed and is also openly New Age.
A big big problem is that if this gains control of the legal system, it will be illegal to "slander" another faith by detailing how it is wrong even in a book or a sermon, no more discernment or apologetics anti cult ministries if they had their way.
I already know this stuff in general and it makes me want to vomit, so I won't pursue it. Ultimately it is not agree to disagree and pursue truth and put the truth out there, but crush anything that gets in the way of "brotherly unity" which will of course make the hardliners of all religions true semi true and false angry.
It is the same idea in the Masonic lodges, where supposedly religion and politics are not to be discussed because these divide people and they must have unity but in fact they preach a religion of syncretism with the old pagan stuff in its socially acceptable form uppermost. Even that JahBulOn name for God is a blasphemous mixing of Yahweh (short form Yah or Jah if you are thinking "Jehovah") with baal and osiris On being the old main city of his cult in Egypt. God is reduced in their system from being a Person (infinite, but a PERSON not a bunch of ideas) with opinions, preferences, etc. that matter more than ours do, to a mere philosophical blur, a "god concept" etc. and the same game is being played out in this freedom of religion and dialoging format.
The effort to eradicate or ignore differences began in Christian Europe, where the differences were between people committed to Christ as God Incarnate, died for our sins and rose from the dead never to die again.
But once this is mixed with "philosophers" from ancient times and ancient wisdom the door is open to reduction of one's idea of God from a Person to a mere hash of values and a god-in-general.
While some traces of the Truth are present in other religions, like an Ariadne's Thread that can lead you back out of the labyrinth at the core of which is a monster, this is not what such unity and brotherhood people are talking about.
I was away from this site for one day. Came back and saw Christine had verb diahhrea for over 24 hours. Either Constance is a damn fool who suckers people with her information or she has been politically forced to let Christine take over. Either way Constance, you have betrayed the gift that God gave you. You are toast when it comes to information about the New Age movement.
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