Saturday, November 29, 2008

The Mumbai Tragedy and Unanswered Questions

There are now nearly 200 estimated Mumbai 'coordinated terror attack' deaths and many hundreds more injured. The event has raised tensions between two atomic powers: India and Pakistan. There are many reports that it has Al Quaeda earmarks. Pakistan itself was the victim of Al Quaeda attacks in recent history. Probably if there have been any winners in this whole sorry scenario, it has been the "Progressive Governance" cum "Global Governance" forces. It will also help sharpen the arsenal of the Alliance of Civilizations who will undoubtedly blame "religious fundamentalism" for the melee.

There were New Agers who died in Mumbai along with other westerners. Two, from the "Synchronicity Foundation" were from the metropolitan Detroit area. They had gone to India to receive training for their New Age ventures. They were among many people who had made pilgrimages to Mumbai (formerly known as 'Bombay), India to sharpen and deepen their respective 'meditation' practices. There were Hasidic Jews killed. There were "Synchronicity" meditators killed. Synchronicity Meditation is a New Age meditation cult employing the methods of "Swami Muktananda." Muktananda was also a primary inspiration for portions of Werner Erhard's work. (Erhard also heavily borrowed from Scientology and 'psycho-cybernetics' of plastic surgeon Matthew Maltz.)

At any rate, the Scriptures clearly prophesied that "perilous times were coming." Most clearly: they are here. Stay strong!


Constance
Comments:
Here's a fascinating perspective: Were these "agents Provocateurs" from possibly western sources?

http://tinyurl.com/66xfko
 
Constance:

On November 28th, MSNBC announced the death of the father and daughter from Virginia: Alan Scherr, 58 and his daughter, Naomi, 13. They were two of the Americans who were slaughtered in the Mumbai, India attacks.

It was also mentioned that both were attending a group meditation retreat in Mumbai, India based on the teachings of Eckhart Tolle. As a matter of fact, MSNBC stated that Eckhart Tolle even offered his sympathy on their deaths.

My question: is the Synchronicity Foundation known to be connected with Eckhart Tolle?
 
This is a bit off-track, but I listined to the car radio today to a show on Moody Broadcasting called "Talking It Over". The folks discussed the push by the UN and OIC to push for laws against defaming different religions. I know much of this was heard before, but it gave some interesting insights to the way the mind of the Muslims of the mideast work. I don't know how to get to hear it on the net, but I see the previous weeks' programs are archived, so I think by next week this one will also be listed to hear.
 
Off topic: Credit Crunch May Produce Another Food Crisis in 2009:

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/11/credit-crunch-may-produce-another-food.html

"The world might face a repeat of this year’s food crisis as the credit crunch encroaches on the agricultural market, leading farmers to cut their planting because of falling prices and lack of finance to buy fertilisers, the United Nations warned on Thursday."

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Here's another one:

http://www.agorafinancial.com/afrude/2008/11/25/meal-ticket/

Scroll down to the enty called "Meal Ticket".

"It’s harder for farmers to get credit for next season’s crop, especially farmers overseas. They need fertilizer, seed, fuel and more. And most farmers need to borrow money to obtain these essential items. No credit; no crops.

Therefore, the global credit squeeze might reduce plantings of key grains, even as world inventories of these grains hover near historic lows. In Russia, for example, cash-starved banks have cut off funding for the industry. The head of the Russian Grain Union says, “Many farmers probably won’t be able to borrow money for the spring sowing.” This is important because Russia is no lightweight in the grain division. It produces 9% of the world’s wheat, for instance. No surprise that the United Nations considers Russia a critical component of the global food supply."

In Him,

Deannie
 
The other Americans who were killed in the attacks were from the Chabad movement. They the biggest Hasidic branch from Brooklyn who set up centers all over the world, so in that sense they are more "evangelical" for lack of a better word, than most branches of Judaism.

They are Zionists and their founding Rabbi was Schuer, and their Rebbi Schneerson was believed by some to be the Messiah. You will often see a large photo of him at their events. ( Messiah was not born in Brookyn, but in Bethlehem.

Mic. 5:2-3 “1But as for ayou, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From by you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”

The timing of the attack, pre-Obama is interesting, and especially with the clear Western targets.

As for the comments about them not being Muslim, Muslims come from every country on earth and they are not always dark-skinned, and I believe some of the 911 attackers were known to frequent bars.

The timing and targets are suspicious and this will mean that the new President will also have to take a
stand in the "war on terror" especially since there were simultaneous reports of a potential attack on NY city subways again.

I suspect the international coordination of anti-terrorism efforts will only be expanded. We will see what the implications of that are in a few weeks I guess when Obama gets into office. Joe Biden might be a prophet!

Since the rumors are that this attack originated in Pakistan, some Bin laden connections will be found especially since Al Zawari was on television very recently. These tv announcements are often said to precede terrorist attacks. I have my opinions about all this but will keep them to myself for the moment. This group was looking to destabilize India, which has 150 million Muslims who are a "minority". India and Pakistan also are nuclear powers, so any destabilization of either of these two countries is quite dangerous.

If you remember the tv appearance of Al Zawari, he told Muslims that Obama was not a Muslim but committed treason by leaving Islam, and showed him wearing a yamaka and bowing praying at the kotel in Jerusalem. This will put to death any fears that Obama is a Muslim, so when he begins dealing with Jerusalem no one will accuse him of being an anti-Semite. On the contrary, he's a pro-Jewish Christian who will now have the future of Jerusalem in his hands. He will be free to help negotiate away the land of Israel into the hands of the Muslims...or some ecumenic body who will control the holy places..some spiritual offshoot of the UN.

With Obama receiving the counsel of Brezinski and with HIllary as Secretary of State, which will be announced Monday, be prepared for the full court press on Israel to give up land.. Remember, her husband almost succeeded....in the name of peace of course..( another words, I don't buy his theatrics at the Western Wall) but not without some place for the Jews to recommence the sacrifices. The antimessiah will need to put an end to those in the middle of " the week".

All this to say, it looks like things are going on schedule..as the interfaith movement with the moderate Muslims seek to dialogue with the Jews and Christians. The tension will be between the extremist Christian, Muslims, and Jews who will not compromise their positions and the moderate tolerant interfatih types, like Blair, King Abdullah, Karen Armstrong, H.E.Benedikt. etc. It's interesting that India was chosen as a target, since it is considered to be a country that is the most tolerant of other faiths since in Hinduism they can just add gods to their gods.

One more point is that India and China were due to overtake the west economically according to recent reports. This will hamper Western investment in India as people are concerned for the security of their investments.

Many Jews get out of the Israeli Army and go to places like India to do yoga.. They will probably have second thoughts now. Jews were clearly the biggest target in this killing campaign. I had one from the Israeli army tell me many travel and get high on hashish, .serving in the army is stressful.

I believe it was just this week that Olmert agreed to bring the "tribe of Bene Manasssah" from India to Israel. There's a group there claiming to be descendants of this tribe, who started to make aliyah but were stopped by the Israeli government. It's not sure that they are from Manassah, but they do follow Judaism.

http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3622083,00.html

http://tiny.cc/46N1J

Perhaps they will speed up the applications for aliyah with these recent attacks?

All of Ezekiel 37 is important because it involves the 2 stick prophecy. The Hebrew word for stick can be used for branch too, when we think of olive branches this calls to mind other verses in the Bible: Some of the branches are wild olive branches that will be grafted back in because they lost their Israelite identity in the Assyrian exile.

Here's what Yeshua says:

John 15:4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.

God will do something in our day, and we are seeing the beginnings of it:

Ezek. 37:12 “Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I will open your graves and acause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel.

The nations have forgotten that the Word of God is eternal:

Joel 3:2 I will agather all the nations
And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will center into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have dscattered among the nations; And they have edivided up My land.

As I mentioned in last blog, there are thousands of prophecies about the restoration of ALL Israel. We are living in amazing days as we see them come to pass, but at the same time HaSatan is working hard
to bring confusion.. I love this verse which follows those verses that talk about the evil kingdom being set up in our day:

Dan. 2:44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever.

Is. 60:21 “Then all your people will be righteous;
They will possess the land forever,
The branch of My planting,
The work of My hands,
That I may be glorified.

But before that day:

Is 28b Thus the multitude of all the nations will be
Who wage war against Mount Zion.

More from this passage:

Is. 29:11-14The entire vision will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate, saying, “Please read this,” he will say, “I cannot, for it is sealed.” Then the book will be given to the one who is illiterate, saying, “Please read this.” And he will say, “I cannot read.” Then the Lord said, “Because this people draw near with their words And honor Me with their lip service, But they remove their hearts far from Me, And their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote, Therefore behold, I will once again deal marvelously with this people, wondrously marvelous;

( Is it possible that some of my people can't read? Is it possible that some observe rote tradition without understanding who is the Lamb of Pessah, the Lord of the Shabbat? the bread without yeast-sin)

We need to all be careful when tradition is a cheap substitute for relationship with the Living God. Tradition helps us to feel good, but God hates dead tradition. Look what He did to the Northern Kingdom:

Hos. 2:6 “Therefore, behold, I will ahedge up 1her way with thorns, And I will build a wall against her so that she cannot find her paths.

The "ancient paths" refers to Torah..
Jer. 6:16 Thus said the LORD: Stand by the roads and consider, Inquire about ancient paths: Which is the road to happiness? Travel it, and find tranquillity for yourselves. But they said, “We will not.”

This is why God, Himself must put Torah on Israel's heart:

Jer. 31:33 But such is the covenant I will make with the House of Israel after these days — declares the LORD: I will put My Teaching into their inmost being and inscribe it upon their hearts. Then I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Dead rituals do not put Torah on our hearts...the Holy Spirit does when we come into our new creation identity in Messiah Yeshua.


Rev. 22:3-4 aThere will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him; they will asee His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.

Is. 29:23 But when he sees his children, the work of My hands, in his midst, They will sanctify My name;
Indeed, they will sanctify the Holy One of Jacob
And will stand in awe of the God of Israel.

Sounds like the Apostle John ( Yohanan) and Isaiah saw the same vision.

Luke 21:28 “But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

When the Northern Kingdom was scattered look what God said:
Hos. 4:6 My people is destroyed because of [your] disobedience! Because you have rejected obedience, I reject you as My priest; Because you have spurned the teaching of your God, I, in turn, will spurn your children.

but God is not done with the Northern Tribes who were scattered and divorced... He died ( Yeshua) to become their kinsman redeemer. He will bring them back and put His Word on their hearts. He will become their spouse, once again. Torah, which is God's marriage contract with Israel will be renewed under the newer covenant.


Hos. 2:16-18 Assuredly, I will speak coaxingly to her And lead her through the wilderness And speak to her tenderly. I will give her her vineyards from there, And the Valley of Achor as a plowland of hope. There she shall respond as in the days of her youth, When she came up from the land of Egypt. And in that day — declares the LORD —You will call [Me] Ishi, And no more will you call Me Baali. ( JPS)

The Jews will weep over Yeshua too, when they realize He is one of theirs. Joseph, a type of Yeshua, revealed himself to his brothers when Judah came and offered himself for Benjamin. He saw how much it hurt "their Father" that Joseph had
"died". Joseph wasn't dead but looked like a stranger, so when Judah recognized him the whole family was reunited.

Zech. 12:10 “I will apour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have bpierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one cmourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

It's not the first time that Judah didn't recognize their brother...and needed revelation.. May Yeshua reveal Himself to my people in this day!!


Sorry for the length of this, but I can't help seeing the prophetic implications in all that is taking place today. I hope you can all see it too..


Joyce
 
To Joyce (4:21 AM):

You might be interested in this:

From MumbaiMirror.com
November 28, 2008

'Operation Black Tornado was ill conceived': Israeli officials

In a scathing comment on ‘Operation Tornado’ mounted by the National Security Guard to flush out the militants holed up inside Colaba’s Nariman House, an official of the Israeli security agency – Shin Bet said that Indian forces have tackled the situation unwisely resulting in the deaths of the Israeli hostages.

The officials, from Israel's security forces, told The Jerusalem Post that the Indian troops prematurely stormed the besieged hotels where militants were holding hostages, risking lives in the process reported The Times, London.

Seventeen commandos had abseiled onto the roof of Nariman House, while snipers peppered the building with covering fire. The two year old son of Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg, the main representative at the Jewish Centre, was rescued along with some other hostages but this morning gunshots and explosions still echoed around the building. A total of 5 hostages were killed in the intermittent firing including Rabbi Holtzberg and his wife.

Indian counter-terrorist forces were well trained but failed to gather sufficient intelligence before engaging the terrorists, they said.

"In hostage situations, the first thing the forces are supposed to do is assemble at the scene and begin collecting intelligence," said a former official in Shin Bet, the Israel Security Agency

"In this case, it appears that the forces showed up at the scene and immediately began exchanging fire with the terrorists instead of first taking control of the area," he said.

Ehud Barak, the Defence Minister, has expressed his concerns about the safety of Israelis caught up in the attack, such as those held hostage in the Jewish Centre stormed in the early hours of this morning.

The security experts' criticism came as it emerged20that Mr Barak had offered Mayankote Kelath Narayanan, India's National Security adviser, any assistance possible, either humanitarian or professional.

"Barak offered Israel's help in an advisory capacity and in any other way it could be of assistance, be it humanitarian or professional," it reported.

The two countries have close defence ties. India has bought more than $5 billion worth of Israeli equipment since 2002.
According to the Jerusalem Post, the two countries have already discussed an agreement for Israel's Defence Force to send its own highly trained commandos to help India in Kashmir, the Moslem majority region claimed by both India and Pakistan.

The newspaper claism that Maj.-Gen. Avi Mizrahi, the commander in chief of Israel's Ground Forces Command spent three days visiting Kashmir in September to discuss the plan.
 
Anonymous,
I had heard that Israel offered security help. India's PM resigned, so that's an official admission of error.

Joyce
 
From Dorothy's Financial Sense website:

THE REAL TRUTH BEHIND THE
CITIGROUP BANK NATIONALIZATION


http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2008/1126.html

"It is only the beginning. The 2009 year will be one of titanic shocks and changes to the global order of a scale perhaps not experienced in the past five centuries. This is why we should speak of the end of the American Century and its Dollar System.

How destructive that process will be to the citizens of the United States who are the prime victims of Paulson’s crony capitalists, as well as to the rest of the world depends now on the urgency and resoluteness with which heads of national Governments in Germany, the EU, China, Russia and the rest of the non-US world react. It is no time for ideological sentimentality and nostalgia of the postwar old order. That collapsed this past September along with Lehman Brothers and the Republican Presidency. Waiting for a ‘miracle’ from an Obama Presidency is no longer an option for the rest of the world."

Deannie
 
Pope May Change Catholic Mass


Pope Benedict XVI may change the sequence of the Catholic Mass, including the sign of peace exchanged between worshipers, in order "to create a more meditative climate" of worship, a senior Vatican official said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/28/AR2008112802209.html

Deannie
 
Lawyers call for international court for the environment

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/3530607/Lawyers-call-for-international-court-for-the-environment.html

via mr drudge
 
REPORT: MUMBAI TERROR ATACK AIMED TO KILL 5,000 PEOPLE

Sunday, November 30, 2008

FOX NEWS

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,459284,00.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/6qu9hf
 
'I WAS TOLD TO KILL TO MY LAST BREATH': CAPTURED TERRORIST'S ACCOUNT OF MUMBAI MASSACRE REVEALS PLAN WAS TO KILL 5,000

By Ian Gallagher
Last updated at 5:08 PM on 30th November 2008

The only terrorist captured alive after the Mumbai massacre has given police the first full account of the extraordinary events that led to it – revealing he was ordered to ‘kill until the last breath’.
Azam Amir Kasab, 21, from Pakistan, said the attacks were meticulously planned six months ago and were intended to kill 5,000 people.
He revealed that the ten terrorists, who were highly trained in marine assault and crept into the city by boat, had planned to blow up the Taj Mahal Palace hotel after first executing British and American tourists and then taking hostages
.....read more....

http://tinyurl.com/6mq2vg
 
Clarification: The Pope is only concerned with preventing any "disruption" or "distraction" before receiving Communion. He is trying to create a smoother flow.


From the Washington Post
November 29, 2008:

Pope Benedict XVI may change the sequence of the Catholic Mass, including the sign of peace exchanged between worshipers, in order "to create a more meditative climate" of worship, a senior Vatican official said.

Cardinal Francis Arinze said the pope had asked all bishops for their views on whether the sign of peace, which is shared before Communion, should be moved to an earlier point in the Mass.

Arinze, who heads the Vatican body in charge of liturgy and sacraments, made the announcement in last Saturday's edition of the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano.

"The meaning of this gesture is often not fully understood," Arinze said. "It is thought to be a chance to shake hands with friends. Instead it is a way to tell those nearby that the peace of Christ, really present on the altar, is also with all men."

Under the contemplated change, Arinze said, the sign of peace would instead take place at the "offering of the gifts" when the Eucharistic bread and wine are brought forward.

Pope Benedict has more than once expressed concern about the disruptive potential of the sign of peace when performed in an inappropriate fashion.

In a 2007 document, he called for "greater restraint in this gesture which can become exaggerated and cause a certain distraction in the assembly before the reception of Communion."

Arinze gave no indication of when Benedict might decide on the possible change.
 
Britain thinking of joining euro: Barroso

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081130204959.yq2a770m&show_article=1

courtesy of mr drudge
 
It may behoove the reader to consider the possible ramifications of the following:

"'New global order' begins
Summit agrees to far-reaching changes in world economic rules
Sunday, November 16, 2008
By Glenn Kessler and Anthony Faiola, The Washington Post


WASHINGTON -- World leaders holding an emergency meeting to combat the economic crisis agreed yesterday to a far-reaching action plan that, over the next 4 1/2 months, would begin to reshape international financial institutions and reform worldwide regulatory and accounting rules.
(cont'd.)"

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08321/928422-82.stm

4 1/2 months from 11/15/08 is April 2009.

Note that a cashless system to fight terrorism has been suggested:

Report: Terroists Use Cash, Avoid Financial Ties:

"FOXNEWS.COM HOME > POLITICS
Report: Terroists Use Cash, Avoid Financial Ties
Saturday, November 08, 2008


WASHINGTON — The international system for tracking and cutting off terrorist financing has achieved major successes but is fraying seven years after the Sept. 11 attacks, two former Treasury Department officials report. Some U.S. allies in the fight against terrorism pose the weakest links. (cont'd.)"

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08321/928422-82.stm

Given that Dr. Solana and close friend, Spain's P.M. Zapatero (apparently a rising "financial star," as Spain has weathered the global financial crisis rather well, and also the fact that he is a co-sponsor of the AoC), are both socialists, it may be wise to keep a close eye on the duo, come April 2009 (it may be that P.M. Zapatero will take a leading role at the international financial crisis summit while Dr. Solana pays a visit to Israel, all in the name of peace and security). Note that P.M. Zapatero recently predicted the financial demise of the "Big 3," France, Germany and Great Britain:

"He (Zapatero) predicts total crash for USA and Britian - France & Germany - in the next few months."

http://www.ecademy.com/module.php?mod=club&op=forum&c=972&t=933066#939579

Some Bible prophecy scholars have identified the EU "Big 3" (France, Germany and Great Britain) as possibly being the three horns subdued by the little horn in the Book of Daniel.

In light of the recent, horrific terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India, international pressure for a solution will be great at the next international financial crisis summit.

May the Lord have mercy.
 
Correction: The link for the Fox News article entitled "Report: Terroists Use Cash, Avoid Financial Ties" is as follows:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,449108,00.html
 
FOOD FOR THOUGHT:

There appears to be much "disinformation" on the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India.

Initially, there were reports that there were several separate groups of young men
(described as being "in their 20s, wearing jeans and t-shirts") involved in anywhere from
7 to 9 carefully-orchestrated terrorist attacks in several places such as:

-police headquarters (where police uniforms & police vehicles were stolen)
-the train station (where one witness describes his good luck barely escaping his own death)
-two hospitals
-two 5-star hotels
-one restaurant inside of the TAJ Hotel

Now the Drudge Report is sarcastically asking the question, "Only 10 gunmen?"

There were initial reports that there were hostage situations. Then, there were reports
that stated that the terrorists had already killed their victims and only wanted the
authorities to think that they were holding hostages.

Then, there was the RUSH for the authorities to go into what certainly was believed to be
a hostage situation - which resulted in the possible unnecessary deaths of a Rabbi and
his wife.

Initial reports stated that a little-known group, the Deccan Mujahideen, had claimed
responsibility for the attacks. The Press Trust of India news agency said the group had
sent emails to several media outlets. Nothing has been mentioned about this group
since that first day.

Witnesses, on that first day told of being asked for their passports ONLY if they were
American or British citizens. Now, that story has also changed.

Yes, in a crisis, there is always a certain amount of confusion. However, a wise
person recently stated that it is always important to pay very close attention to the
INITIAL reports, which often get discounted later, and result in "new reports" surfacing.

Sometimes, the "end story" ends up fitting a government's political agenda - and the truth
often lies somewhere in between.
 
NEED A LAUGH?

Watch this for a good laugh.

http://tiny.cc/TMku3
 
As I've watched the news over the past few days, an Obama speech has continually come to mind. Regarding Pakistan, Obama said:

"It is time to turn the page. When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world’s most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.

"The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

http://www.cfr.org/publication/13974/

http://tinyurl.com/2bxtk8

The timing of this is interesting.
 
Things are heating up aren't they?

Gunfire on tense border in Georgia
Published: 11.30.08, 13:39 / Israel News-
"Georgian and separatist South Ossetian authorities are accusing each other of opening fire across the line of control in the ex-Soviet republic. Nobody was hurt, but the accusations have added to tension following the August war that strengthened Russian and separatist control over Georgia's South Ossetia region.
The South Ossetian government said Sunday that a village came under sporadic automatic-weapons fire from Georgian-controlled territory for several hours late Saturday. It said South Ossetian forces did not return fire." (AP)

Link here:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3630870,00.html
or here:
http://tinyurl.com/6zdejy

-SV
 
Hey, everyone:

On Monday night, December 1st, look up in the sky to view a spectacular scene.

A slender crescent moon, just 15-percent illuminated, will appear in very close proximity to the two brightest planets in our sky, Venus and Jupiter.
 
Article: "EU paper on solving Mideast conflict worries Israel"

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1042316.html
 
The implications of the financial crisis plus terrorism leading us to a cashless system are pretty staggering,
especially since the governments are part owners in most of the major banks, Citiband, Royal Bank of Scotland, Credit Lyonnais, Barclays, JPMorgan, etc, etc.

These are some of the world's biggest banks , now under government control, and it makes perfect sense this is a step in the direction of the cashless system.

IHT article today about Olmert's advice.. Ironic that someone leaving office for corruption should have anything to say about anything, but:

http://tinyurl.com/5jbodv

Joyce
 
Hi Deannie,
Your comment earlier today about the financial/credit crunch and how it contributes to a food crisis, got me thinking back to a related topic we haven't discussed here in recent days.
It has been nearly a year since I've read or heard any updates about the disappearance of honeybees and other pollinators around the world.
This morning I read a very unusual article about a field botanist named Rod Simmons from Arlington, Virginia. Over the past month Simmon's became "spooked" while he and other naturalists hiked through Northern Virginia oak and hickory forests and noticed to their surprise there are ZERO acorns (and hickory nuts) - not from white oaks, red oaks or black oaks. According to Simmons, this was to be their big year. Simmons reports, "the same thing from as far away as the Midwest up through New England and Nova Scotia. "We live in Glenwood Landing, N.Y., and don't have any acorns this year. Really weird," "None in Kansas either! Curiouser and curiouser."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27977375

I don't know what, or if this development means anything to humans, but the first clue that something was amiss regarding the acorns were calls coming in about starving, skinny squirrels eating garbage, inhaling bird feed,and greedily demolishing pumpkins. I decided to see if there was anything current addressing the honeybee/pollinator decline. There are many updates. An International study says agriculture has yet to feel the sting of bee decline.

http://tinyurl.com/69h5t5

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/11/10/2415186.ht
m?site=science&topic=latest
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The bottom line is, worldwide honeybees and other pollinators are still disappearing and declining in number.
"Since last November, the US has seen a decline in bee populations so dramatic that it eclipses all previous incidences of mass mortality. Beekeepers on the east coast of the United States complain that they have lost more than 70 percent of their stock since late last year, while the west coast has seen a decline of up to 60 percent."

http://tinyurl.com/6s8rv3

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,473166,00.html
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The search for the cause continues. From colony collapse disorder, to "climate change issues", to pesticides, and disease - one or all, there is no conclusive answer. But there IS a conclusive consequence. Most people have no idea what it takes to put the food on their table.
Honeybees pollinate alfalfa- the food cows and other cattle eat. Cows = milk, butter, cheese - all milk products. Cattle = Beef and many other products. Honeybees play a major role in not only the U.S. but global economies.
"Three main crop categories (following FAO terminology) were particularly concerned; fruits and vegetable were especially affected with a loss estimated at €50 billion each, followed by edible oilseed crops with €39 billion. The impact on stimulants (coffee, cocoa…), nuts and spices was less, at least in economic terms."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080915122725.htm

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This Sept 2007 paper from UNEP/DEWA/GRID-Europe, titled, "Global Pollinator Decline: A Literature Review" states:

"About 1/3 of the North-American diet comes from food – fruits, vegetables, seeds and nuts – that rely on animal pollinators, which include beetles, butterflies, flies, bats, hummingbirds and bumblebees. Honey bees are essential crops pollinators in the United States: they are indispensable farmhands, pollinating some 95 kinds of
fruits and vegetables14. In 2000, the value of American crops pollinated by bees was estimated to be US$ 14.6 billion15."

http://tinyurl.com/6d38ho

http://www.grid.unep.ch/product/publication/download/article_lit_review_20071129.pdf

Yeah, I know... most of us are still so stuffed from Thanksgiving,
it's hard to imagine how little it would take for American's food supply to be in peril, and find ourselves at the mercy and under the control of a Global Food Distribution Program as other countries have.

"If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man."
-Albert Einstein

Consider the ravens...Give us this day our daily bread...And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground...manna

"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
-Jesus the Messiah

-Rudi
 
Israel should be worried about the EU. They are still providing the Palestinians with money knowing full well it goes for textbooks and other media encouraging jihad. The give hundreds of millions of dollars a year without accountability. How did Yasser Afafat die with billions in a Swiss Bank Account? No one talks about that.

The "moderate" Abbas denied that the gas chambers in the Holocaust were used for Jews. Right now Israel has armed Palestinians in the West Bank. The other day they were "guarding" Hebron where Abraham purchased a burial site for Sarah, and is also buried.

Usually you don't arm people that still want to see you wiped off the map...

Joyce
 
It looks like some of the terrorists might have been British converts to Islam, plus there's another JP article that India might have shot the Jews accidently:

http://tiny.cc/MNMe3


Joyce
 
What if forces a la Jon Ronson's THE MEN WHO STARE AT GOATS aka Jim Channon's FIRST EARTH BATTALION and TASK FORCE DELTA were behind this? Crisis = Opportunity and it looks like all the opportunity on this went to the New World Order!
 
Rudi,

Thanks for that update. I had forgotten that bit of news.

Here is another thought regarding the economic crisis/bailout:

Constance recently linked to a video by Phyllis Schafly who discussed, among other things, the UN Biodiversity Treaty (part of the Rio Earth Summit) and Biospheres and UN Heritage sites. In the video she showed a color-coded map of the US with areas that were to become off limits for human activity. I have seen this map in a video regarding sustainable development and Agenda 21. I always thought it sounded extreme because those human-free zones include too much private property. However, what if that land is not yet paid off? What if the US government, vis a vis nationalization of US banks, owns those mortgages?


You can check out information on the Biodiversity Treaty here (warning this a CWA article):

http://www.light1998.com/Global_warming/U_N_Biospheres_Take_U_S_Land.htm

--------------------------------

You can watch a video about Agenda 21 here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJp0P6eggXU

---------------------------------

Here you can read a News With Views article about how FEMA is already putting land beyond use under the guise of flood plains and natural disasters:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Weeks/darren106.htm

---------------------------------

and here you can read an article about how last month oil exploration NEAR Arches National Park was blocked for environmental reasons:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-50985211.html
--------------------------------

Maybe this economic crisis and our mortgages being owned by the US government will be the mechanism by which we are shunted off the land that is designated to be free of human activity. Think of this and review Green-Agenda's home page. Here are two sample quotes from that page:

"My three main goals would be to reduce human population to
about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure
and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species,
returning throughout the world."
-Dave Foreman,
co-founder of Earth First!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle class - involving high meat intake,
use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning,
and suburban housing - are not sustainable."
- Maurice Strong,
Rio Earth Summit

------------------------------

Here you can watch a video from Bloomberg News where Marc Farber says the global economy is imploding:

http://tinyurl.com/62elza

----------------------------

If the US economy implodes, who owns those mortgages and what might be their agenda?

Just some thoughts that are kicking around my head these days.

In Him,

Deannie
 
Deannie,

Just some quick thoughts regarding the land-ownership topic, mortgages paid off, etc...for the most part, we never own our land...we're constantly paying "rent" on it, in the form of property taxes. So if our mortgage is paid, they still have us by some form of the anatomy, and if we still owe on a mortgage, they have a double hand-hold.

Either way, I think the leverage will be employed to remove us from our "private ownership" in one form or the other.

I have a lot of reading to catch up on, with your links...

G'night - 'tis late...

sarah
 
Deannie,
I watched the Schlafley video too.
Such outrageous stuff being
proposed by outrageously pompous
people who all seem to agree that
THEY need to figure out solutions
to all the problems of the world and
that God has no place in the discussion.

One thing that confused me about the
55 minute video; towards the front
of the program there was an interview
with Pat Robertson, and he seemed to
be on the side of these clowns. Then
later, he sounded like he was against
them and on the side of righteousness.
I can't quite figure out Pat Robertson.
I guess it doesn't matter...

Thanks for the link Constance. Even
though the the information in the
video nearly made me sick.

Pray for my family, please.
The only thing my wife seems to
believe is that I must be wrong.
She doesn't want to talk about
any of this stuff. I understand.
Who wants to consider the
end of this country or the end
of personal freedom or any
of these facts ?
It's not like I've been harping
on it. I haven't been. In fact
I've been virtually silent except
for the very infrequent comment
on the news. Pray for me to have
the right words from the Holy
Spirit.
This situation reminds me of the
modified philosophical question:
If a married man speaks in the
woods, and his wife isn't there
to hear it, is he still wrong ?
 
Obama to restore UN ambassador's post to Cabinet rank... Developing...

from mr drudge

which suggests the UN will become a lot more important in this administration....
 
To Paul the much lesser (8:06 AM):

Re: Pat Robertson

I also have a "problem" with him.

He has said that when Christ returns - and "all eyes shall see Him" - his interpretation is that we shall all view him "on" the air (live on television all over the world) rather than "in" the air (as the Bible states).

I believe that Constance once sarcastically wrote something to the effect that, "So does this mean that owning a television set is a requirement for viewing the second coming?" In other words, what about the poor people of Calcutta and Bangladesh who don't own or even have access to television sets? Do they get cheated out of viewing Christ's return?

I don't think so!!!
 
From the article mentioned by Anon 10:36

A key part of building the Palestinian state involves resolving the status of Jerusalem, as the future capital of two states," it declares. Therefore, "the EU will work actively towards the re-opening of the Palestinian institutions, including the Orient House."

Orient House, which once served as the PA's de facto Foreign Ministry, was closed in August 2001 following the deadly terror attack on Jerusalem's Sbarro restaurant. Since then, successive Israeli governments have refused to reopen it, as it symbolized Palestinian claims to sovereignty in East Jerusalem.
 
From the Washington Post (12/01/08)

The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops INSIDE the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.

The long-planned shift in the Defense Department's role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress and outside experts, defense analysts said.

There are critics of the change, in the military and among civil liberties groups and libertarians who express concern that the new homeland emphasis threatens to strain the military and possibly undermine the Posse Comitatus Act, a 130-year-old federal law restricting the military's role in domestic law enforcement
 
Anon. 8:46
Didn't that notion about TV
originally come from one of the
Hal Lyndsey books ?
 
From TheBostonChannel.com 12/01/08:

African drums boomed and pipe organ music swelled as the Cathedral of St. John the Divine opened for worship Sunday after years of cleanup from a fire that struck the world's largest Gothic cathedral in 2001.

The cathedral's 98-year-old Skinner organ was played for the first time since the fire, heralding a new beginning for the spiritual home of the Episcopal Diocese of New York.

"The rededication of this magnificent cathedral church speaks to all of us with such a wonderful sense of not only resurrection and renewal but of a recognition that through all that we have come together there is a constant sense of resilience arising from this cathedral in this great city," said Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who joined church officials and 3,800 parishioners at the rededication service.

The opening procession traversed the 601-foot length of the sanctuary with its 124-foot vaulted ceiling. Firefighters who had battled the Dec. 18, 2001, blaze joined Episcopal bishops and leaders of other denominations.
 
To Paul (10:04 AM):

Here is some of what I do know about "new ager" Hal Lindsey:

Hal Lindsey, best known for his multi-million copy best seller "The Late Great Planet Earth," has written many other prophecy-related books and speaks frequently at "evangelical" prophecy conferences. He was also the pastor of Tetelestai Christian Center in Torrance, California prior to his resignation in 1996.

Lindsey claims that he does not go along with many of the charismatic excesses presented on the hyper-charismatic Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN, owned and operated by Paul and Jan Crouch), yet he continues to be part of its programming.

On TBN's 12/29/99 "Praise the Lord" program, Hal Lindsey and his sidekick, Cliff Ford, hosted. One of their guests was Chuck Missler. Missler said he was there for the purpose of endorsing TBN's movie, The Omega Code, and promoting his own new book on the Code. The three of them carried on and on about how great TBN is and how everyone needs to continue to support the network to spread the gospel around the world.

What they didn't say is that the new gospel of the hidden messages in the Bible (Omega Code) and the prosperity gospel are two different gospels, not the Gospel that was preached in the New Testament. The Omega Code movie did NOT promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but rather gave credence to the latest big lie - that there are hidden messages in the Bible when one uses the letters as an acrostic puzzle.

Lindsey actually held a position with the Sun Myung Moon's now defunct Coalition for Religious Freedom (CRF). (Moon is the founder of the Unification Church, and the self-proclaimed Messiah to the world.) Other so-called evangelicals that served with Lindsey at CRF as executive committee and/or advisory board members were Tim LaHaye (CRF's paid chairman at the time!), Don Wildmon (founder and president of the social activist American Family Association), Paul Crouch (TBN Network's infamous founder), Marlin Maddoux (Point Of View nationwide radio talk show host), James Robison, Jimmy Swaggart, and D. James Kennedy (author and pastor of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida) -- an agenda of social activism certainly makes for strange ecumenical bedfellows. (Reported in the 11/90, Omega-Letter.)

That Hal Lindsey is an ecumenical compromiser is known by many, but few know that he also is now teaching the false gospel of self-love/self-esteem. One could speculate that this is at least partially due to Lindsey's recent "involvement" with the Rapha Hospital Treatment Centers in Houston, Texas (one of Lindsey's former wives was "treated" there). (Rapha operates a chain of twenty psychiatric hospitals specializing in the "treatment" of so-called codependent and/or addicted Christians, by employing an amalgamation of Adlerean-Maslowian need psychology and the Bible, all in the framework of a typical Alcoholics Anonymous 12-Step recovery program.) The "specialty" of Rapha's Houston clinic is "self-esteem therapy."

Lindsey teaches the Freudian concept of the "subconscious"/"unconscious" mind: He is also an adherent to the "science" of psycho-cybernetics and has an active interest in the area of religious humanism.
 
Sara,

You're right about property taxes. I just read an economist who said private property can be eliminated easily with confiscatory taxes (it won't matter that the property is owned outright).

It all reminds me of Mao's Great Leap Forward. You can read about it here:

http://www.fff.org/freedom/0697f.asp

Deannie
 
No surprise here, of course, but Hillary Clinton has just officially been nominated as Obama's Secretary of State.
 
Anon. 10:51,
From the sound of it Hal
Lindsey is now telling us
that Jesus is "in secret
chambers" so to speak.
 
Bloomberg News has this article about the Swiss economy and its inevitable membership in the EU:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aAd7rF18UuX4&refer=home

Switzerland Feels Iceland's Pain With Banks Teetering

An isolated European country with an economy geared toward finance and winter sports is no longer a monetary bastion as credit evaporates around the globe. Banks teeter, the once-impregnable currency depreciates and a proudly independent people question whether a centuries-old go-it-alone strategy can survive. .........

As pressures grow, two pathways lie open for the 26-canton federation that traces its origins to 1291 and has officially styled itself neutral for some 500 years. One is to turn inward -- an ages-old temptation in a country that wouldn't even join the United Nations until 2002. The other is to embrace the wider world by becoming a member of the European Union..........

Undetected by many Swiss, a web of agreements on everything from goods inspections to air transport has already saddled Switzerland with the bulk of the EU's business rules. Yet the Swiss don't have a seat at the table when EU officials gather in Brussels to set the regulations.

You can read the entire article and watch a video at the link above.

Deannie
 
Dear Anon 9:38,
Looks like they're actively working on that goal.

Link to Policy and Procedures of Marine Involuntary Activation 08/05/08-
http://tinyurl.com/5op7km

Link to 4,000 IRR Sailors being req'd to Muster-
http://tinyurl.com/5rc9c6

Link to USMC parents forum re: sons and daughters recv'ing recall letters-
http://tinyurl.com/6by3ku

-SV
 
On the other hand;

It's nothing personal,
Anonymous, but
I'm not sure why I would want
to believe a word that an
Anonymous would say.
And as I read your post I
sense a real need on your
part to rip Hal Lindsey.
Every thing you criticize
him for sounds a bit like
you're reaching...
As far as who Mr Lindsey
has associated with, I'm
pretty sure it's impossible
to live in this world and not
bump elbows with all sorts,
unless one becomes a hermit.
As far as a string of psychiatric
hospitals for Christians, it
sounds like a good idea.
After all, the world is insane,
and that's really hard to deal
with.
As far as a Bible Code, doesn't
that point back to a divine author
whether one believes in a
code or not ?
The S.Y Moon connection is
disturbing, though.
You might be right.
Again, it's nothing personal.
 
To Paul (1:07 PM)

"Nothing personal" taken.

Regarding your earlier question of 10:04 AM: "Didn't that notion about TV originally come from one of the Hal Lyndsey books?" (in reply to my 8:46 AM post on Pat Robertson) . . .

I was just providing information that I DID happen to have about Hal Lindsey and identifying him as a prominent "new ager."

There is certainly no need (or desire on my part) for me "to rip" him. This information is out there on the Internet for all to view for themselves.
 
To SV (12:59 PM):

Thanks so much for sharing those interesting links.
 
Dear Paul,
Must we start anew with the anon posting criticism?
There is merit to the Lindsey critique. When a minister "rubs elbows" with a self-proclaimed "christ" while refusing to denounce them as blasphemous, they damage their witness of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I care about you and I truly understand your struggles with not being able to discuss these things mutually with your family members. I'm praying for you and your loved ones today.
Please reconsider your continuing antagonism with anon posting.

In His Love and Grace,
-SV
 
SV,

Thank you for the links. Are you a Marine spouse or parent by any chance?

What do you think the chances are of the draft being reinstated by the Obama administration?
 
Dear Anon 3:34,
Two family members in the Navy. One an officer. He is VERY concerned about China and Russia right now. He won't say whether draft will be reinstated. I'm worried, though. Many in the family will be visiting him over Christmas, so maybe I can squeeze info out of him then. ;-)
Thanks for asking.
-SV
 
Hal Lindsey a "New ager?" How do you know that he'a a new ager? Turn you into a newt? You would've been great during those "witch hunt" days. Just because someone talks to a "new ager" does not make them one. How would you know what kind of faith Hal Lindsey has? Only God can measure the faith that's in someone's heart. Maybe he's a new ager, maybe not. Instead of assuming whether someone is or isn't a new ager (or whatever) how about assuming that that person is of the Christian faith that he is mainly surrounding himself with.
 
SV,
So when an anonymous commenter
rips an evangelical writer who
was the witness that turned
literally thousands of people
to Christ as a result of his best
selling book, then I should just
let that comment go and not
defend the writer ? Because to
do so would be construed as
being overly concerned with
anonymous postings.
Apparently you've never been
called vicious, hateful, a Catholic
hater, and other complete lies.
You know that you aren't any of
those things, so what if they said
them at you? I know enough about
you to know you'd take the high
road. I know you'd probably jump
for joy if you thought you were
being reviled and ridiculed on
account of Jesus' name. I've read the
Sermon on the Mount too. I believe it
too.
SV, I'm over that stuff. I see it for
what it was. I've got peace that
passes all understanding. I really
do. But I see no need to throw
in the towel and give them free
reign regarding their slander, and
this, you may notice, wasn't about
me.

Freemasons are anonymous.
The Bilderbergers try to remain
anonymous. Agents Provocateur
are obviously anonymous.
The real power structure of this
world is largely anonymous.
Phyllis Shlafley's video talks about
the Treaties that one by one are
bringing down this country. She
points out how they write a nice
sounding treaty title which they
propose to Congress, which no
one would want to disagree with.
But the treaty has a thousand page
attachment to it which they try to
hold back until after the vote.
I wonder, who are the authors of
these attempts at subversion and
why doesn't even Phyllis Shlafley
mention their names ? Is it because
they're anonymous ? Or doesn't she
dare mention their names ?
My whole point to this classroom
on this subject is this:
If people want to post anonymously
they of course have that right. But I
think that the best way to deal
with anonymous postings is to have
your own default position that NONE
of what they say should be believed.
We're called to be a gentle as doves,
AND as wise as serpents.
 
To Anonymous (4:28):

"How would you know what kind of faith Hal Lindsey has? Only God can measure the faith that's in someone's heart....Instead of assuming whether someone is or isn't a new ager (or whatever) how about assuming that that person is of the Christian faith that he is mainly surrounding himself with."

It's Deja Vu all over again!

If that's the standard you want to apply, then let's apply it consistently. Are you willing to embrace, say, Rick Warren and Robert Schuller as "brothers in Christ"? How about Reverend Moon and the folks at CAUSA?

Is it worthwhile, in your eyes, to examine anyone's "fruits" to determine whether or not they are consistent with their claim of having "Christian faith"?

Bow Wow Wow
 
To Anonymous (4:28 PM):

Ultimately, only God knows what lies within a person's heart. However, the Bible teach us:

"By their fruits ye shall know them" (Matthew 7:16)

Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
 
Paul:

Do us all a favor and lighten up, please.

For all we know, you could be in the CIA doing "covert" operations.

LOL
 
H.R.808: Dept of Peace and Nonviolence Act sponsored by Dennis Kucinich introduced 02/05/07 [last updated 11/05/08]

SEC. 105. OFFICE OF DOMESTIC PEACE ACTIVITIES.

"(a) In General- There shall be in the Department an Office of Domestic Peace Activities, the
head of which shall be the Assistant Secretary for Domestic Peace Activities. The Assistant Secretary for Domestic Peace Activities shall carry out those functions in the Department affecting domestic peace activities, including the development of policies that increase awareness about intervention and counseling on domestic violence and conflict.
(b) Responsibilities- The Assistant Secretary for Domestic Peace Activities shall--
(1) develop policy alternatives for the treatment of drug and alcohol abuse;
(2) develop new policies and build on existing programs responsive to the prevention of crime, including the development of COMMUNITY POLICING (emphasis mine) strategies and peaceful settlement skills among police and other public safety officers; and
(3) develop community-based strategies for celebrating diversity and promoting tolerance."

SEC. 108. OFFICE OF ARMS CONTROL AND DISARMAMENT.

"(a) In General- There shall be in the Department an Office of Arms Control and Disarmament, the head of which shall be the Assistant Secretary of Arms Control and Disarmament. The Assistant Secretary of Arms Control and Disarmament shall carry out those functions in the Department affecting arms control programs and arms limitation agreements."

Kuchinich couldn't be happier about the BO inauguration. Must be "chompin' at the bit". This nasty little bill will be used seamlessly with those "20,000 uniformed troops inside the U.S." should it pass under this administration.

Link to full bill here-
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-808
or here-
http://tinyurl.com/6cu9km

*I apologize in advance if this has been posted previously. It just caught my attention again today.

-SV
 
Yeah Anonymous,
Lets talk about the FRUIT of
Hal Lindsey's labor.
He, like Constance Cumby, wrote
a book which touched a nerve in
millions of Americans and made them
reconsider that maybe Jesus is
the Savior of the world, and that
maybe they should make him Lord
and Savior of their respective lives.
 
Memo to George Orwell--Dennis Kucinich has plagaiarized your bill!

Office of "Domestic Peace Activities?"

Ya just can't make this stuff up!

Thanks, SV. I share your USN relative's fears about China and Russia. Do let us know if you learn anything interesting from him over Christmas.

Mr. Oatmeal
 
Rudi and Deannie,

Please excuse the length of this post. After reading your comments this morning I decided I had to share my most recent adventure. I think it fits right in.

Last week I went looking for Donald Keys and his Lemurian friends on Mt. Shasta. (Okay, I must confess, I was really just trying to find the first skiable snow of the season). But alas, there was no need for snowshoes or skis below the 10,000 foot level as the scant early season snow pack revealed far too much of the rocky volcanic underbelly of the “goddess” herself. As I hiked up to the snowline above Horse Camp I had time to reflect on The Brooking’s Document, aka America’s Agenda 21 marching orders.

The ultimate population control mechanism comes down to our most basic commodity, food. There are those who produce it, those who package it, those who transport it, and those who make it available on grocery market shelves for the rest of us to consume. No matter what the cost, people must have food. And make no mistake, Mother Gaia is a cruel and merciless deity. The punishment for any major failure in the food chain of supply is sickness and/or death.

There are certainly a lot of people who foresaw the old economic order collapsing and prepared for it. These people are either, a) smarter than the rest of us, or b) had inside information about what was on the horizon, or c) both a and b.

Despite all the hoopla to the contrary, several big global mega banking firms are doing quite well. Rothschild Investment Banking reports their profits are up a record 31%. No doubt the Rothschild’s family’s continued good fortune is a result of their prudent but cautious long term strategy of staying away from all the mortgage securities pyramid schemes and focusing their investments in global agribusiness, food production, commodity transportation infrastructure, and state of the art food product engineering technologies instead. Consider our current situation. Today I filled my big SUV gas tank for a measly $1.51 per gallon (which included the grocery store discount). At that same grocery store I paid a whopping $4.00 for a loaf of bread. Anything seem strange about these inverted prices?

The precipitous decline in the bee population could be either a) an accidental or intentional release of one of a plethora of man made doomsday bio-weapons, or b) a God caused and God ordained phenomena, or c) both a and b. Regardless of the truth, like everything else we can expect, the bee decline is yet another phenomena sure to be blamed on Global Warming.

Aside from those who have the ability to foresee and plan their way through various disasters, (such as the uncanny Rothschild’s), those of us who believe in conspiracy theories also believe that there are powerful forces who revel in creating said disasters as a means to an end. And what could make the depopulation proponents more delighted than a massive die off of bees, quickly followed by a massive die off of us “human cancers”?

Last week’s headlines on the front page of a local northern California newspaper, (The Record Searchlight 11/26/08), added still more to the already monumental pile of evidence that the “goddess worshippers” really do believe they are very close to achieving their ultimate goals, which includes depopulating the planet on a massive scale and launching a spiritual coup against the established order of the universe. As a result of their most recent court victory, the radical greens in California (in this case the Center for Biological Diversity and Pacific Rivers Council) have succeeded in prohibiting sport fish stocking in six additional northern California counties. The latest ban encompasses an enormous geographical area that includes at least 60 separate watersheds, (a combination of lakes and streams). What took public land managers over 70 years to achieve, namely, the creation and maintenance of a vast pubic fishery resource throughout California’s mountain lakes and streams, took just a few weeks in a courtroom (preceded by a few decades of brainwashing in our classrooms) to destroy. The trout ban diminishes not only recreational fishing opportunities, but destroys one more viable food resource to the detriment of the local populace.

This is not a surprise to me, as I have been writing about this topic and other related developments for over ten years now. Trout eradication has been going on under the direction of the Federal Government in numerous California mountain lakes within and surrounding Yosemite, Kings Canyon, and Sequoia National Parks. Not only has fish stocking been banned in our National Parks and Wilderness areas, but entire populations of “non-native” trout species, such as rainbow, brook, and brown, have been euthanized with chemical formulations of rotenone, anti-myacin A, or simply removed from our western lakes and rivers using gill nets. The goal, according to National Park biologist Harold Werner, is to recreate what originally had been “sterile” fishless mountain lakes. The propaganda used as a rationalization for such devastating programs falls under the category, “native species” restoration. The “spotted owl” was one such useful species, but for the biologists working to eradicate trout from our public lands, the species of note is the Mountain Yellow Legged Frog.

(Sorry all you avid hunters and fishermen, you just became an endangered species! And for those who don’t hunt or fish, let it be known that all natural resources now fall under the domain of the Agenda 21 Gaia worshippers.)

For some, the trout eradication program is a trivial matter. Others may notice that it fits in quite nicely with the planned reduction of ungulate (elk and deer) herds now being accomplished through predator protection laws and the widespread reintroduction of wolves. Pretty soon a light will go on for the general public, but unfortunately by then, it may be too late. No fish, no fishing. No game, no hunting. Nothing to eat but what the authorities allow. Get it? And if you think small farmers will always be the backbone of America’s prosperity, just wait. Mad cow disease and bird flu will be the agents of choice. Game over.

Funny how the radical greens openly promote a war on all “non-native” species, despite the very green reality of things like “migration” and the natural progression of species replacement. Yet, at the same time, they have no qualms about worshiping a foreign (Greek/Egyptian) goddess as she oversees their imported (Russian) Marxist notions of an (Atlantean) green utopia which includes removing all the local “human cancers” from off the face of the earth, leaving only a few select and very elite “morally enlightened”, and mostly androgynous beings.

Welcome to Lemuria.



Info on the “Lemurians”:

http://www.siskiyous.edu/shasta/fol/lem/index.htm

http://www.beyondlemuria.com/ (video)

Info on Rothschild’s Investment Banking profits:

http://wallstreetpit.com/rothschild-investment-banking-posts-record-results

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4783449.ece

http://www.investinginchile.cl/index/plantilla2.asp?id_seccion=1&id_subsecciones=100

http://www.iufdocuments.org/buyoutwatch/2007/11/buyouts_booming_in_indias_food.html

http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=7561

Info on trout eradication program:

http://mammothlakesvillage.com/blog/?p=1353

http://www.stanford.edu/~yesavage/Policy.html

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2315789

http://repositories.cdlib.org/wrc/tcr/herbst/
 
Well, Paul - these are clearly some of his "fruits" which are difficult to dismiss:

"Hal Lindsey actually held a position with the Sun Myung Moon's now defunct Coalition for Religious Freedom (CRF). (Moon is the founder of the Unification Church, and the self-proclaimed Messiah to the world.) Other so-called evangelicals that served with Lindsey at CRF as executive committee and/or advisory board members were Tim LaHaye (CRF's paid chairman at the time!), Don Wildmon (founder and president of the social activist American Family Association), Paul Crouch (TBN Network's infamous founder), Marlin Maddoux (Point Of View nationwide radio talk show host), James Robison, Jimmy Swaggart, and D. James Kennedy (author and pastor of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida) -- an agenda of social activism certainly makes for strange ecumenical bedfellows. (Reported in the 11/90, Omega-Letter.)"

You should know better, Paul If Constance has taught all of us anything, it is how a brilliant and clever "new ager" can successfully combine talk about his belief in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, quoting from the Bible, while continuing his not-so-subtle new age beliefs and actions.

That is why it is critical for all of us Christians to constantly remain "alert."
 
Dear Paul,
I apologize if I've come across as lecturing you. There's just so much going on in this world right now- in every possible area. My head is spinning at how quickly things are progressing with the NWO. I desperately want to refer everyone that I know and love here to this site to absorb the amazing information that you all so faithfully post here. How can I, in good conscience, refer them if every other thread is filled with antagonism? Hence my motive for addressing the "anon posters" comment. We don't have to agree with one another, I'm sure that we never will agree with one another all the time; I'm just hopeful for an atmosphere of greater respect where we can't see eye to eye.
I mean you no disrespect, Paul, truly.

-SV
 
Thanks for the reminder, SV. There are videos re: the Dept of Peace on "The Peace Alliance" website...

http://www.thepeacealliance.org/content/view/625/46/

and here...

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/696/content.jsp?content_KEY=3929

Note what Velez Mitchell says at the end of the first video, "But I have to say that peace and the discussion of a Department of Peace should no longer be ridiculous. That's called evolution." The second link has videos of Kucinich and Marianne Williamson. I think the one-minute video of Earth is creepy!

-HistoryMaker
 
1/12/2008

EU HR Javier SOLANA to meet with Tzipi LIVNI, Vice Prime Minister and Foreign Minister of Israel on Tuesday, 2 December 2008

17:15 Photo opportunity before the start of the meeting

From JS website.

"The meeting will provide an opportunity to discuss the prospects and the latest developments in the Middle East Peace Process and EU-Israel relations."
 
Oldmanoftheski,

You're going to keep me busy for quite a while now.

Here is the end to an article by Marilyn Barnewall on News with Views regarding the economy and how we got here:

"At this point in time, the U.S. government owns 80 percent of personal real estate investments… on any home with a mortgage..............

In a novel I wrote recently, the female bank consultant tells two friends who are trying to figure a way out of the financial crisis they see coming (in 2006) that when the U.S. dollar fails, it was altogether possible that they government would put up as collateral all of the personally-owned real estate in America. The International Monetary Fund would require such collateral to make a loan bit enough for America to buy its way out of international debt."

http://www.newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest134.htm

Deannie
 
Dear HistoryMaker,
Almighty God warned us ahead of time about what we shall see-
"There is no peace," says the Lord, "for the wicked." Isa 48:22[ESV]
Matthew Henry beautifully states in his commentary on this passage-
"What have those to do with peace who are enemies to God? Their false prophets cried 'Peace' to those to whom it did not belong; but God tells them that there shall be no peace, nor any thing like it, to the wicked."
In truth, the "Dept. of Peace Act" or anything offered as such has nothing to do with God's peace because there will never be peace for the wicked.
And I agree with you, the earth video was very disturbing.

For God's glory alone,
-SV
 
Deannie,
That's not so far fetched. Norm Franz talks about that in his book. The debt-equity swaps could actually be part of the giving up of sovereignty of US. It does stand to reason that without any gold backing our currency, there has to be some form of backing for this enormous debt.

I posted news that the UN Ambassador job has been elevated back to a Cabinet position but don't see the post here, so I'll repost it. With all the "excitment" about Hillary this might not get a lot of attention. It signals Obama's intention to be a UN guy...not that that would surprise any of us.

Joyce
 
Ron Paul video from Anders blog:

http://tinyurl.com/6dn9aa

No one was listening to him when he was running for office.

Joyce
 
Seems everyone who posts here shines a temporary spotlight on one more aspect of that rapidly approaching perfect storm. It's really scary to contemplate the enormity of all that is before us, but as the tumult increases, we can take refuge in knowing that the day of our redemption is also drawing closer.

PS. That silly lemurian video I linked to is a goofy disinformation NA spoof movie, not worth the bother. I thought the website's opening picture was very good though, that's why I included the link. But please don't waste your time with that one. Those who are interested in the Mt. Shasta/NA occult connections will find no shortage of websites devoted to polluting your brains. I even pulled up a 1989 photo of sir Donald himself standing somewhere up on the mountain with a group of NA friends, but then I lost the link. Probably a blessing.
 
Mumbai gives just one more reason to remove extremists from the planet. Plus one for the future installation of the Alliance of Civilizations.

Uh oh, I am an extremist for Jesus.
 
From Associated Press (12/01/08)

REYKJAVIK, Iceland: Thousands of Icelanders marked the 90th anniversary of their nation's sovereignty with angry protest Monday, and several hundred stormed the central bank to demand the ouster of bankers they blame for the country's spectacular economic meltdown.

Tiny Iceland has seen its banks and currency collapse in just a few weeks while prices and unemployment soar leaving a country regarded as a model of Scandinavian prosperity in a state of shock.

"The government played roulette and the whole nation has lost," writer Einar Mar Gudmundsson told a noisy but peaceful anti-government rally of several thousand people in downtown Reykjavik.

After the rally, hundreds of protesters stormed the headquarters of Sedlabanki, Iceland's central bank, demanding the sacking of its chief, David Oddsson.

Anti-government protests have been growing larger and angrier since Iceland's three main banks collapsed in October under the weight of huge debts amassed during years of rapid economic growth.

Since then the value of the country's currency, the krona, has plummeted.

Iceland has been forced to seek $10 billion in aid from the International Monetary Fund and individual countries.

Settled by Vikings more than 1,000 years ago and later colonized by Denmark, Iceland became a self-governing country under the Danish crown on Dec. 1, 1918. The volcanic island gained full independence in 1944.
 
To Deannie (10:01 PM)

Thank you so much for sharing your input and for that eye-opening link.
 
Anonymous 12:55,

You're welcome. The more I research our economy, the more disturbed I become.

Gerald Celente of Trends Institute is predicting a revolution, riots, etc. in the US in 2009. Here is a youtube link for an interview he did on Fox News:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46MEqEgdLTg

You should check out his past trend predictions. He is a frequent guest on all the major tv shows (including Oprah twice). Might we follow Iceland into protests shortly - not to incite a panic.

Deannie
 
Old man,
Your 6:24 comment was just
about the most succinct and
condensed comment I've ever
read.
It's like poetry, brother. It's
like a tapestry that tells a story
and everything is connected.
Thank you.

SV,
I have no intention or desire
to be disruptive. Only to expose
scoundrels. Thank you for your
compassionate and mature
feedback.
I don't think it's overly dramatic
to say that there are agents of
provocation right here in this
blogsite. Think of all the red
flags that must go up from here
which all the world governance
people would want to undermine.

I can assure you SV my concern
will not be about me or my feelings
anymore. That really would be
selfish and pointless, I agree.

Again, I'd encourage everyone to
disregard Anonymous postings,
and/or just consider them false
until they've been thoroughly
checked out by someone with
a backbone.
 
Deannie,

I am sure that you have already seen it. Just in case you haven't, check out Money Masters.
This is part 1:

http://tiny.cc/TlTwF

You will able to see part 2 at the same link.

We have bought several of these DVDs and are giving them out to people.
 
To Paul (8:21 AM):

You need to remember one thing: that God SEES all, God HEARS all, and God KNOWS all.

YOU are the one who is behaving like a "scoundrel" on this blog - with your childish paranoia accusing me (who is an anonymous posters by choice) of being an "agent or provocation." (That is just so ridiculous - I can't even "go there.")

Your immaturity and your narcissism just speak VOLUMES.

I have been posting on Constance's blog for the past two years, and I have been e-mailing articles to Constance (exposing the New Age Movement) for at least the past year. And for many more years before that, I mailed her articles directly from my home that I thought she might be interested in.

But, I don't have to DEFEND myself to you, Paul - or anyone else. I know the TRUTH will set me free.

Along with my posts, I always list my sources, which everyone is free to check out for themselves to see if the content is "false" (as you charge).

You remind me of the "big bully" in the school yard, who is so insecure that you have to beg all of the others on this blog to join you in ostracizing the "anonymous" poster(s).

The truth is that you want the "anonymous" posters to have a "name" for one reason and one reason only - so you can identify the Catholics on this blog.

How can anyone, with so much venom and hatred in their heart, continue to insist that they are "at peace" with themselves. Your words reveal so much, Paul - and it's not pretty!!!

I really feel sorry for you - and I am praying to God that you get some therapy SOON - as you are creating an unnecessary "toxic level" which is poisoning this blog.

As a matter of fact, you owe Constance an apology; but she probably won't get it, because that would mean that you would have to accept accountability for your actions.

I for one have better things to do than continue to waste any more of my valuable time engaging in "battles" with you that you are mostly creating inside YOUR head!!!

Get over yourself, Paul and GROW UP!!!
 
To Deannie (2:12 AM)

I was thinking the same thing you were. I just pray to God that what is happening in Iceland never happens here.
 
Dawn,

I have seen that series. I thought it was great. I bought most of the books recomended at that site too. I've not yet finished them. I'm slogging my way through Carrol Quigley's book and have read a couple chapters of the Jekyll Island book. It makes one look at this economic crisis differently, huh? I didn't post the link, but Gerald Celente does an interesting interview with Alex Jones (6 part series on youtube). I know Alex Jones is considered by Dorothy to been agent of disinformation, but he still interviews some intersting people. This is one.

Deannie
 
To Deannie (2:13 AM):

I just now had time to listen to that long link you provided.

WOW - it really helped me gain a clear perspective, not only
on the history of the Federal Reserve, but also their total
abuse of power which continues to this very day.

As stated in Proverbs 22:7 -
"The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is servant to
the lender."

Time for Jesus to "drive out the money changers" again? I'm sure that He'll do it one way or another - and in His own time and in His own way.

Thanks again for providing the link. I'm going to pass it
on to some dear friends of mine.
 
To Dawn (9:18 AM)

Sorry, Deannie - I got confused. It is Dawn who I need to thank for the link to that video about the Federal Reserve.

Thanks, Dawn.
 
Hi OldMan, and Deannie,

Regarding the future famine...

No link to provide right now, but I was watching something on PBS loooong before the common computer (mid 80's), and the segment was about a native American (Souix, other?) who trained small groups to live off the land. What I still remember, because I equated it to the black horse, was his instruction about how to "prepare" road kill for consumption. He said that in the last days this may be the only food you may find...

sarah
 
Dear Deanie,
Continuing along the lines of the property taxes/property ownership, I've been reading a "Documentary Review of Charters and Treaties" from this site. Still looking into some of the historical accuracy from the review, but the information is compelling. Here's a small excerpt:

"When Cornwallis surrendered to Washington he surrendered the
battle, not the war. Read the Article of Capitulation signed by
Cornwallis at Yorktown (footnote 3)

Jonathan Williams recorded in his book, Legions of Satan,
1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington during his surrender
that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended
America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions
will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."...."in less than
two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world
government. That government that they believe to be divine will be
the British Empire."

All the Treaty did was remove the United States as a liability
and obligation of the king. He no longer had to ship material and
money to support his subjects and colonies. At the same time he
retained financial subjection through debt owed after the Treaty,
which is still being created today; millions of dollars a day. Andhis heirs and successors are still reaping the benefit of the kingsoriginal venture. If you will read the following quote from Title 26, you will see just one situation where the king is still
collecting a tax from those that receive a benefit from him, on
property which is purchased with the money the king supplies, at
almost the same percentage:
-CITE-
26 USC Sec. 1491
HEAD-
Sec. 1491. Imposition of tax
-STATUTE-
There is hereby imposed on the transfer of property by a
citizen or resident of the United States, or by a domestic
corporation or partnership, or by an estate or trust which is not
a foreign estate or trust, to a foreign corporation as paid-in
surplus or as a contribution to capital, or to a foreign estate or
trust, or to a foreign partnership, an excise tax equal to 35 percent of the excess of -
(1) the fair market value of the property so transferred,
over
(2) the sum of -
(A) the adjusted basis (for determining gain) of such
property in the hands of the transferor, plus
(B) the amount of the gain recognized to the transferor
at the time of the transfer.
-SOURCE-
(Aug. 16, 1954, ch. 736, 68A Stat. 365; Oct. 4, 1976, Pub. L.
94-455, title X, Sec. 1015(a), 90 Stat. 1617; Nov. 6, 1978,
Pub. L.
95-600, title VII, Sec. 701(u)(14)(A), 92 Stat. 2919.)"

There is so much to read that I'm still working on it myself.

Link-
http://freedomlaw.com/BRColony.html

-SV
 
California is a mess in a lot of ways (as Oldmanoftheski pointed out):

Schwarzenegger said immediate action is essential because although the state projects a $28-billion deficit by mid-2010, California is on track to run out of cash by February or March. He said that if lawmakers fail to act within 45 days as required under his declaration of a fiscal emergency, they will have to find an additional $1.5 billion to $2 billion in savings or new revenue above what is needed right now. He said the administration is already drawing up plans to lay off state workers.


"It's like an avalanche, that it gains momentum," he said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-budget2-2008dec02,0,280439.story

Deannie
 
to joyce:

Yisrael Ben Eliezer,also known as the Baal Shem Tov,who learned under
Achiyah HaShaloni who was among those that left Egypt with Moses and was a prophet during the reign of King Dovid.Was founder of the Chassidic. He was born in Okup on the Russian Polish border. Also known as the Ukraine.

words of Lubavitcher Rebbe, R. Sholem Dov ber Schneerson

The Zionist leaders are totally hostile to G-d and His Torah. Their desire and interest is to cast off the yoke of Torah and Mitzvos, substituting nationalism for Judaism.

Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson was born on April 18, 1902 (the eleventh day of Nissan, 5662), in Nikolayev, a town in the southern Ukraine.On June 23, 1941 they arrived in New York.In 1992, at the age of ninety, the Rebbe suffered a stroke; he passed away two years later, on June 12, 1994. Shortly thereafter, a bill was introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives by Congressmen Charles Schumer, John Lewis, Newt Gingrich, and Jerry Lewis to bestow on the Rebbe the Congressional Gold Medal. The bill passed both Houses by unanimous consent, honoring the Rebbe for his "outstanding and lasting contributions toward improvements in world education, morality, and acts of charity".

It is my opinion that you have besmurched the greatest leaders of Judaism in your accounts and I wish to correct this. with the truth.

Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson opened Chabad houses accross the world, including India,to bring Kosher food standards,and charity teachings to all jews and non jews in acordance with Gods will.

The total reason for attacking the Chabad house in India is to break the cooperation between India and Israel, as no country is allowed to have relations with Israel according to Islam Law.
 
Sarah 12:48

My Lakota friend always had a lot of big fat puppies around the house. Sometimes there weren't as many. Your "road kill" famine comment also made me think of the Hopi prophecy that specifically points to the end times when the white people will come to the Hopi asking for education on how to survive. Of course the Hopi will tell these "survivors" that the first order of business is to acknowledge that the Creator is in control, humble thyself, live in peace, and pray.
 
1. Deannie: When you finish the books I'd be most grateful for your observations. I am interested in both books but there is no way I could get through them in the reasonably near future. As such, I would be very interested in your reactions to them, especially in the light of recent world events.

2. Dawn: Thanks for that valuable link to the Money Masters. I hope to watch the series in the next week or two. Good for you for making copies and distributing them. That's a positive step that should inspire all of us.

3. SV: Very interesting stuff, all new to me--thanks.

4. Anonymous(9:23): If people want to try to drag the discussion into the gutter that is their right. I urge you to have faith that many of the participants of this blog can perceive when this method is being employed, and know that it reflects on no one apart from the dragger themselves.

5. Dorothy: I'd appreciate your analysis of Alex Jones as disinformation agent. Is he playing both sides? What do you think his real agenda is?

Mr. Oatmeal
 
MR. OATMEAL
I don't want to get into a spitting match over Alex Jones. Do like everyone else does. Listen to his show and read his material. If you have any discernment, you'll catch on. If you are one of the "What have they done to me lately" listeners, nothing I say will make a difference. I haven't bothered with him for a very long time now.
You can also do a websearch on his name where you will find he is a controversial figure, liked by some, disliked by others.

He has a show to fill and products to sell to those who want to think they are on the cutting edge of news but who don't want to take the time to do their own research. It's a perfect situation for a good con man.

Dorothy
 
Paul 8:21,
FYI
I cut several paragraphs from that 6:24 post just to keep it succinct on on topic. I didn't include the part about meeting some real life new agers on the mountain. The one I passed on the trail was sitting on a rock smoking a cigarette....I can succinctly describe "her" as a skirt wearing hairy legged bald woman with strange markings on "her" skin and many piercings.....but then again, I use the term "she" although this unique being did appear to be quite androgynous, or a-gendered, er...neutral??(hmmm...maybe I did meet a Lemurian after all!)..........anyway, thanks for noticing. My stories often go in circles...but yes, they are all connected. We're looking at a Spider's Web, remember?
 
To the Anonymous person who is worried about me
hurting the reputation of the Chabad movement,

I beg to differ with you, but this is from their own website:

http://tinyurl.com/5wgkcv

I didn't say all Hasidics thought the Rebbe was Mashiach, but a number do:

http://tinyurl.com/6crdxd

The Hasidics are a mystical sect of Judaism who derive much from Kabbalah. I am against all forms of mysticism, including Jewish Mysticism and as you can see the Chabad Movement teaches that:

http://tinyurl.com/create.php

To me there is no difference between Jewish Mysticism and Eastern Mysticism. It is all from the pit of hell and is just another form of eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Most people don't realize that in Paul's letters this is who he was criticizing, not Torah observant believers in Yeshua. He was criticizing Jewish mystics and gnostics. He was a Pharisee of Pharisees, so he probably knew what he was talking about. He was trained by Gamaliel so he really did study Torah. Studying doesn't save us. Paul received a personal revelation of Yeshua when he was on the way to Damascus to persecute Jewish believers in Yeshua. He did teshuvah( repentance) at this point and wrote half the Apostolic Scriptures and shared the truth all over the known world at that time.

Undoubtedly, the Chabad movement sets up works all over the world, but it's not just because they are Jewish that their work is good. Teaching mysticism is not a good thing, no more than teaching Zen Buddhism is. Just because they mix it with Torah, does not "sanctify it". If anything, they make it worse because we are not supposed to add to God's Word. We put these rabbis up on a pedestal and that's the problem within Judaism. Rabbis are men, not God.

Having said that, the killings were very sad. I don't know the motives of the terrorists, but safe to say the targets were carefully chosen, Jewish, Western as well as important tourist centers in India.

Before you accuse me of anti-Semitism, I will just tell you I love Torah, but I don't put rabbis up on pedestals, and especially those that propagate Jewish mysticism, even if some of what they do is "good". A little leaven spoils the whole loaf....

It's sad that people died, the Chabad group, the group at Syncrocity ( the meditation group) but when all is said and done, they were both engaging in forms of mysticism. I pray that those members of their groups who are living would turn to the Living God and be saved.

As you probably already figured out, Anonymous poster, I believe salvation exists in one name alone, and that is the name of Yeshua. At the sound of His name every knee will bend and every tongue confess that HE is Lord to the praise and glory of His Name..

HE was not against Torah, He is Torah. HE is the Living Word who became flesh and He was born in Bethelem. One day soon, He is coming back, but not before the Jews are standing in Jerusalem saying this:

Matt. 23:39 “For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!’”

I pray that the Chabad movement and all of the other groups within Judaism who lift up rabbis and their "sages" would realize, there is one name on heaven and earth that means salvations, and that is Yeshua!

The greatest rabbi of all time was Yeshua. He did not put the religious leaders up on a pedestal. On the contrary, He spoke hard truth to them.

http://tinyurl.com/6cgf9d


Joyce
 
Anonymous:

As for your comment below:


"Yisrael Ben Eliezer,also known as the Baal Shem Tov,who learned under
Achiyah HaShaloni who was among those that left Egypt with Moses and was a prophet during the reign of King Dovid.Was founder of the Chassidic. He was born in Okup on the Russian Polish border. Also known as the Ukraine."

This is not true, this is a matter of mystical tradition. Here's what the Baal Shem Tov site says:

http://www.baalshemtov.com/

This site says he was "initiated into the mystical traditions of the Torah". Sounds like other "initiation" that we hear about in other mystical traditions, which I hope no one who is against the teachings of the new age and the teachings Alice Bailey would accept. We can see the connection to the bad fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil in these "mystical traditions"

http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Rabbi_Israel_ben_Eliezer.html

http://tinyurl.com/65wkau

I hope if anyone here is following these things, they will quickly turn in repentance to the living God and ask His forgiveness, because this is against Torah.

Psa. 106:39 Thus they became unclean in their practices, And played the harlot in their deeds.

My people are still in exile. One day soon, God Himself will write the Torah on their hearts....


Jer. 31:31 ¶ See, a time is coming — declares the LORD — when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
Jer. 31:32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers, when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, a covenant which they broke, though I espoused them — declares the LORD.
Jer. 31:33 But such is the covenant I will make with the House of Israel after these days — declares the LORD: I will put My Teaching into their inmost being and inscribe it upon their hearts. Then I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

May this day come soon...
Joyce
 
Mr.Oatmeal,

It's going to take a bit of time. Especially Quigley's book. I'm a fast reader but this one is dense.

Deannie
 
I posted a blank link. I believe this is the one I meant to post on my first comment about Jewish Mysticism:

http://www.baalshemtov.com/sppract.htm

Here's a bit about Chabad's involvement in Kabbalah, and here's an example of some of the teaching...I'm not recommending this:

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/361885/jewish/The-Sefirot.htm

or this:

http://www.jerusalemconnection.org/mysticism-sephirot.php

For those of us who walk in humble dependence on Yeshua, we know that apart from Him, we can do nothing!

Joyce
 
Joyce
Have no fear I do not call you anti-semetic, I say you are a true christian, who in turn thinks their way is the only way. I beg to differ with you, God is the way and none of his messengers are greater then he. As to what I wrote it is fact and recognized across the world as fact. I will also reenterate that Chabad is not Zionist.
I will also ask you how you can reword things at your own chosing. such as this.
Paul received a personal revelation of Yeshua when he was on the way to Damascus to persecute Jewish believers in Yeshua.
How is it that you call a dream a revelation for one, and yet call the dreams of others, mysticism.
As you can not start out learning any teachings from the middle, perhaps you are mischaractorizing what you do not know.
Since even the Catholic's under Pope Paul and Ratzinger agreed with jews, that christian await the second coming of Jesus and Jews await the first coming of their Redeemer, They are most certainly one and the same.
We do indeed agree that the new agers and the one world government are an attempt by man to build another tower of babal and proclaim man as God. perhaps we could stick to that battle.
 
Dear Anonymous,

I will answer you in your own text:


Anonymous said...
Joyce
Have no fear I do not call you anti-semetic, I say you are a true christian, who in turn thinks their way is the only way.

***There were Jews like me in the first Century who followed Yeshua.

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all bzealous for the Law;

****The first quite a few years after Yeshua's death most of the followers were Jews and continued to go to the synagogue.

Yacov, Yeshua's brother, expected the believers from the nations to go to the synagogue and hear Moses too..

Acts 15:19-21 “Therefore it is amy judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from 1athings contaminated by idols and from fornication and from cwhat is strangled and from blood. “For aMoses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since 1he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

****and follow Torah..


I beg to differ with you, God is the way and none of his messengers are greater then he.

Yeshua and the Father are echad. Yeshua says, if you don't know Him you don't know His Father:

John 8:19 So they were saying to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father; aif you knew Me, you would know My Father also.”

****I believe Him, not all the Jews who are still in the diaspora waiting for their Messiah. Remember, if they had it all right they wouldn't have gone into the diaspora in the first place. As I said, until they are in Jerusalem saying "Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord" He will not come back.

I'll remind you of what Zechariah says, "They will look upon Him who they pierced and weep as one weeps for any only begotten Son"





As to what I wrote it is fact and recognized across the world as fact. I will also reenterate that Chabad is not Zionist.

****I have heard Chabad members who are Zionist. I'm not going to try to speak for the whole organization..Maybe you are right on this and maybe you're not, but it's not important.


I will also ask you how you can reword things at your own chosing. such as this.
Paul received a personal revelation of Yeshua when he was on the way to Damascus to persecute Jewish believers in Yeshua.
How is it that you call a dream a revelation for one, and yet call the dreams of others, mysticism.

****Here's the passage, you decide:

cts 9:3 As he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and asuddenly a light from heaven flashed around him;
Acts 9:4 and ahe fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”
Acts 9:5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting,
Acts 9:6 but get up and enter the city, and ait will be told you what you must do.”
Acts 9:7 The men who traveled with him astood speechless, bhearing the voice but seeing no one.
Acts 9:8 Saul got up from the ground, and athough his eyes were open, he could see nothing; and leading him by the hand, they brought him into Damascus.


*****I don't call what Paul experienced mysticism, but an encounter with the Living God.

As you can not start out learning any teachings from the middle, perhaps you are mischaractorizing what you do not know.
Since even the Catholic's under Pope Paul and Ratzinger agreed with jews, that christian await the second coming of Jesus and Jews await the first coming of their Redeemer, They are most certainly one and the same.

******Sorry, but many, many Jews today believe that Yeshua is both Mashiach Ben Joseph and Mashiach Ben David.. That would mean that He came once as a suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 and He will come again as a victorious King, at which time every knee will bend and every tongue confess that He is Lord...even those who deny Him now..

We do indeed agree that the new agers and the one world government are an attempt by man to build another tower of babal and proclaim man as God. perhaps we could stick to that battle.

***** I wasn't battling with anyone. I'll remind you that you decided to respond to my comments...so maybe you're the one who is having a battle.. Maybe it's a spiritual battle.

I hope and pray for your sake you are not engaged in Jewish Mysticism, because if you are it is no better than what the New Agers do..It's against God and His Torah.

Shalom,
Joyce
10:34 AM
 
ANONYMOUS WHO ANSWERED JOYCE
Joyce is a Messianic Jew who fancies herself both a Jew and a Christian, something impossible for Jews to believe. I long ago stopped answering her dreary long posts as she incapable of dialog and sees herself as a great teacher. She sees no need to convert Christians to become Messianic Jews, and only wants Jews to leave their religion behind.

Yes, she is confused about Lubavitchers as would be expected of one who doesn't understand Judaism.

It's good you took the time to correct the presumed facts she presented as there are a few readers here who think she speaks for Jews because she says she does. Just be aware she uses four foot long comments to intimidate anyone who crosses her.

Dorothy
 
Joyce
there is no battle in me, my only intent is to get the facts out there. That all here do not think you are the representation of jews.
Thanks Dorothy I absolutely agree, she is most confused about much.

YS
 
Dorothy,

Nice try..

You still need Yeshua,

Joyce
 
Joyce,

And YOU, dear lady, still need a big dose of humility.

You were doing so well there for awhile, that I really thought, maybe, just maybe....
 
I'm a friend of Joyce's and I want to get truth out...
She's right, you both need Yeshua and stop worrying about the Lubivitchers.

MM
 
A dear friend of mine once told me that humility is confidence properly placed, in Yeshua...I'll never forget that. If that's the definition of humility, I'll take all of it I can get...My confidence is in completely 100% in Yeshua!!

I am not ashamed of the gospel of Messiah, it is the power of salvation to all who believe, first to the Jew and then to the Greek! Romans 1:16

Sorry, if you find that offensive..

Joyce
 
Joyce,

The only thing "offensive" about you is your arrogant and condescending manner.

It has nothing to do with religion.
 
If you find me condescending, maybe you really don't know me.. I happen to love people and want to see them come to a saving knowledge of Yeshua. ( including Dorothy, even though she doesn't think she needs Him) The days are getting late, if you know what I mean .

If you find that offensive, then I'm sorry, but then you are judging and the Bible says that only God has the right to do that. He and He alone knows my heart.

If I speak things with authority, it's not my words, it's God's Word. I place no confidence in my flesh but I do have confidence that the Word of God is true and the living Torah, Yeshua is truth.

We can blow it on a lot of things, the Lubavitchers, the NWO, the New Age etc. but if we blow it on that, we have an eternal problem. That's my priority! Unless you are one of those universalists who believe all paths lead to the same place.. I'm not.. Yeshua said "I am the truth, the light and the way and no one comes to the Father except by Me".



Joyce
 
Joyce,

I didn't say you had a condescending heart. I said you had (and obviously STILL have) a condescending manner.
 
Joyce
You have every right to say what you think, But you need to use descretion in your judgements, you appear to be attacking a 6000 year old convenant of God and the Jews. I'm sure that was not your intention, as you say you are not here to make spiritual judgement against others, especially the children of God. God knows what is in each heart. God's plan will not be changed. And I doubt God's words mean only what you say,for the Torah is like an Onion with many layers. May God be with you.

YS
 
YS,

Beautifully stated. May God be with you too!
 
MM
God the begining and the end there is no other. Why would God who is all things, need anyone to speak for him?
1st commandment Thou shalt have no other God but God.

You know I thought this was an open forum to watch the rise of the antichrist. To be aware of the rise of the One World Order the new agers, to watch the prophesies take shape in our time. was I mistaken?

YS
 
Hello everyone,

I dropped by here yesterday after being away for over a week, and there is so much information on this site, that it would be impossible for me to catch up. So I’ve only filtered through what’s relevant to me.

To all,
I vowed not to post here again but in view of the friends that I still have here, I have decided to comment about some observations that I have made over the past day and a half.

Here goes:

OldManoftheSki- I just sent you an email. Since I know you mentioned that you only check your emails once or twice a week, I wanted to give you a heads up. Also, I hope you got a chance to ski last week! I totally agree with Paul that your 6:24 comment on the Mumbai thread was especially concise and exceptionally brilliant as well. In order to understand world events and the demonic roots of globalism, it's imperative for people to understand the occultic roots of the mystery religions that can be traced back to the very beginning. If anyone thinks that they can study the current New Age and yet ignore its very roots, they are deluding themselves.




Thanks Joyce for your very insightful biblical insights two threads back in your comments on the Mumbai tragedy thread. You are spot on in your spirit-filled biblical insights and I for one have finally (in the few short months that I have had the veil removed from my eyes) realized the connections of pagan mysticism into the practices of not only blatant New Agers, but also many Catholics, Protestants, as well as Jews who follow the Kabbalah, who have lost sight of the truth and have wandered down the paths of mysticism which God so adamantly warned us about time after time.

Wanted to also thank Rudi, too for her comment on the Mumbai link about the acorns. I did go out and check my oak tree and am happy to report that there's a ton of acorns in southwest Florida! So hopefully, it was a result of the weather in the Virginia area last spring, and not a foreshadowing of something more sinister.

To Paul- I hope by now you have determined who your real enemies are. If I were you I would tell the anonymous Catholic(s) here who refuse to sign a name to their posts against you that before they call Hal Lindsey a New Ager they might want to think twice about the mysticism practiced in their own churches. Catholics need only check out one of the links on the side bar of Constance's blog,- the link is called Herescope. Since Constance links to Herescope, we can assume that she probably agrees with the blog author's content. Here is a link to one of the past articles and the comments are also significant:

http://www.discernment-ministries.org/OpalReddin1.htm

Perhaps all the anonymous cowards on this blog who are so quick to point out the shortcomings of the evangelicals should look a little deeper into the mysticism practiced in their own churches and synagogues before pointing fingers at every evangelical who has ever been connected in any way, shape or form to Sun Myung Moon and his now defunct CRF.

How in the world is Hal Lindsey’s connection to the CRF any different from the late Pope John Paul the Second's overtures to the Dalai Lama? That's what I want to know.

If there's one thing I can't tolerate it's a hypocrite, and even though you called me some derogatory names, Paul, that I didn't provoke or deserve, but which I forgave you for nevertheless since you had obviously been deceived by the anonymous cowards on this blog, you are definitely not a hypocrite. I woke up the other night feeling more than a little upset at the way I was treated here recently, and the Lord reminded me to recite His prayer. I can forgive people their trespasses, but that doesn't mean I can't let them know what I think of their cowardice!

Susanna, I just found your comment directed at me quite a few threads back. Yes, I think I still have your email address. Is it still Eye of the Newt? I'd love to learn how you use italics in your comments here.

Constance,
You may want to install statcounter or something similar to it to this blogspot. Since I am sure that you don't want to disallow anonymous posters, it would at least put the trolls on notice that you can track them through their IP address. That way you yourself can identify who the trolls are here, and hopefully prevent the dreaded disinformation that we are so often warned about, as well as helping to prevent problems that have arisen with anonymous posters, and which I unwittingly became a part of thanks to that.

The link is :
http://www.statcounter.com

It's free and easy to install. You can use it to track the cell site connecting to each and every IP address of your blog’s visitors to within 50 feet. I've used it on my paint blog to monitor activity from all over the world. In your case, it would be an excellent tool to prevent trolls from inciting problems here.

To JD; I have wondered about your home and am very happy to here that all is quiet on the western front!

I totally expect to be attacked for this comment, because it challenges the people here who have been given a free reign to start trouble. That being said, since anonymous comments allow people the privilege to have courage that they would not necessarily have if they had signed their true names and identities to their posts, and gives them license to spread disinformation and uncharitable behavior, I think it's about time that someone took a stand here for the people who have been victimized by anonymous comments.

If the past is an indication of the future, I am sure that the perpetrators will not allow this comment to pass either .

But then again, since we all profess to be if not Christians, at least God fearing Jews, why should I think I would be attacked for simply taking a defensive posture against mysticism and trolls?
 
OH PLEASE MARYANNE AKA YG
You wanted to stay anonymous yourself and complained that Constance gave your name out. Just because people post with names and intials doesn't mean everyone on the blog knows more about them then those who don't put initials or first names with their posts.

For a long time I chose to post under an anonymous label because I thought the ideas were more important than personalities.

I agree with
"Great people talk about ideas.
Average people talk about things.
Small people talk about other people."

Joyce, try talking about ideas rather than yourself. It would be more impressive.

Dorothy
 
To Anonymous/YS,

God does not have a 6000 year old covenant with the Jews. God made covenants with Israel and if you go back and read carefully, you'll see that all Jews are Israel but not all Israel are Jews. Jew is derived from the world Yehudi which is first used in relation to to the Southern Kingdom who had Benjamin and Levi associated with it. 6000 years ago roughly was the creation and there were no Jews yet because Judah was a descendant of Jacob the father of Israel.

This may seem like nit-picking to you but it's a rather important point. Orthodox Jews, at least some, recognize that the Northern Kingdom was mixed with the nations. The usuage of the terminology Jew confuses many issues, not the least of which is the subject of Judaism.

Judaism is also a post-Babylon thing. Prior to that we had a nation, a called out people, Israel, who were to live under Torah. There was either the Mishkan or the Temple, where God would manifest His presence. Sometime He appeared in a pillar of smoke, sometimes in a pillar of fire sometimes He wrestled face to face with Jacob ( like a man) so you see God was never limited to our conception of Him. If He wants to come in the flesh and redeem us Himself, He can and He did.

Judaism was developed after the Northern Kingdom was gone, the Ark of the Tabernacle was gone, the glory of God was no longer in the Temple.. At that time the priesthood was corrupt. There were different schools within Judaism like the school of Hllel and the school of Shimei. There were Pharisees, Sadducees, and then the Second Temple was completely destroyed.

The Jewish leadership at the time, who were corrupt rejected Yeshua but many ordinary Jews followed Him. The Romans took the Jew into slavery and Israel ceased to exist till 1948.

Since 1967 many Jews have come to believe in Yeshua. They realized that there is no contradiction between being a Jew and believing in Yeshua. In fact they realize that God is restoring His people in our day. At the same time many Gentile believers are discovering the Hebrew roots of their faith and realizing that they are to attach themselves to Israel..they are "grafted in" to the olive tree we call Israel.

When we talk about the one world govt and Mystery Babylon, if we don't understand the Biblical promises that concern the Jews and All Israel ( i.e. the missing Northern tribes) we may be on the wrong side of the battle.

The Jews have added many things to their practices that they say are Torah, but the truth is they are not. The Talmud and Mishna were written many, many years after Torah. In Judaism there are lots of divisions because among the Jews there is not a lot of agreement, just like Second Temple Judaism except worse.

They can't even agree on what they should do about the Land.

Anyway, if you don't like the way I say things, I'm sorry, every one is different and that's my manner. Dorothy has a strong manner and expresses things in a way that is very blunt and that's her manner. I don't let that bother me.

This whole discussion started over the Chabad movement which is a group that "evangelizes" all over the place...The sad thing is, they haven't recognized their Messiah, the true Messiah, not their "rebbe". I'm sure they have the best of intentions teaching, but they practice mysticism/kabbalah which is anti-Torah.

I said that and I won't retract it, it's evil before God, it's against Torah! If Dorothy or anyone else want to defend Kabbalah then she should not criticize the New Agers who are into mysticism.

Call me condescending, but on this blog you criticize people all the time. It's very sad that people were killed in the Chabad movement. It's especially sad that they never met their true Messiah Yeshua and that they are leading people into the darkness of Kabbalah.

I'll repeat if you or anyone else is involved in Jewish Mysticism, you should really ask God's forgiveness and turn from it, go back to Torah. If you study Torah carefully, you will find out it's all about Yeshua. God has not left the Jewish people without information, but sometimes they are so caught up listening to their rabbis they don't read the text!

Joyce
 
HI Maryanne,
Good to hear from you. Glad you didn't go away.


Dorothy,
You shouldn't be criticizing someone like me who loves the Jewish people, my people, loves Israel, believes in Torah, believes that God will fulfill them and restore His people one day soon.

You should be worried about all the people in the world who are trying to divide the Land, who are anti-semitic, who would be happy to see another Hitler come on the scene.

I think your priorities are confused. If you don't believe Yeshua is Mashiach, you can ask Him when He comes back...were you here before or is this your first time? Personally, I wouldn't wait if I were you...You can ask the question now...but don't be afraid if God actually answers you..and gives you a response you weren't expecting.

The Jews of 2nd Temple didn't expect Messiah to be born in Bethlehem even though the Scriptures say He would be. They didn't expect Him to die on Roman cross and become a sin offering for them, but if you look at the history of our people they made lots of other errors in judgement too. How many times did they rebel against Moses? against all the other prophets, against God, Himself?

Do you think it's just possible that the most controversial person in Jewish history, Yeshua, could actually be a stumbling block to the Jews? Scripture says He would be..

When we put rabbis on such a high pedestal, we listen to men instead of the Word of God, and then we are on dangerous ground. God is not a man that He should lie and Yeshua's death and resurrection and return are predicted in Tanach with detailed accuracy, if you would only just read the text..

There are rabbis today in Jerusalem who are realizing this. You wouldn't hear about them in the circles you travel, but I do...They are reading the text and believing...just start with Isaiah 53 and ask yourself how Isaiah knew hundreds of years before Yeshua was born what He would do with such incredible accuracy. Here's the Jewish Publication Society version of that verse...the rabbis say it means Israel, but grammatically and otherwise...that position can't be supported. It is not one of the haftorah portions read in synagogues because it's just too hard for them to explain, as is the verse in Zechariah..not to mention thousands of others.

s. 53:1 “Who can believe what we have heard? Upon whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
Is. 53:2 For he has grown, by His favor, like a tree crown, Like a tree trunk out of arid ground. He had no form or beauty, that we should look at him: No charm, that we should find him pleasing.
Is. 53:3 He was despised, shunned by men, A man of suffering, familiar with disease. As one who hid his face from us, He was despised, we held him of no account.
Is. 53:4 Yet it was our sickness that he was bearing, Our suffering that he endured. We accounted him plagued, Smitten and afflicted by God;
Is. 53:5 But he was wounded because of our sins, Crushed because of our iniquities. He bore the chastisement that made us whole, And by his bruises we were healed.
Is. 53:6 We all went astray like sheep, Each going his own way; And the LORD visited upon him The guilt of all of us.”
Is. 53:7 ¶ He was maltreated, yet he was submissive, He did not open his mouth; Like a sheep being led to slaughter, Like a ewe, dumb before those who shear her, He did not open his mouth.
Is. 53:8 By oppressive judgment he was taken away, Who could describe his abode? For he was cut off from the land of the living Through the sin of my people, who deserved the punishment.
Is. 53:9 And his grave was set among the wicked, And with the rich, in his death — Though he had done no injustice And had spoken no falsehood.
Is. 53:10 But the LORD chose to crush him by disease, That, if he made himself an offering for guilt, He might see offspring and have long life, And that through him the LORD’s purpose might prosper.
Is. 53:11 Out of his anguish he shall see it; He shall enjoy it to the full through his devotion. “My righteous servant makes the many righteous, It is their punishment that he bears;
Is. 53:12 Assuredly, I will give him the many as his portion, He shall receive the multitude as his spoil. For he exposed himself to death And was numbered among the sinners, Whereas he bore the guilt of the many And made intercession for sinners.”


This is the exact description of Yeshua... He bore our guilt! He paid for our transgressions.. He was buried in a rich man's tomb. He was wounded for our sins, and by His bruises we are healed, etc, etc!

Instead of asking you rabbi, get a copy of your Tanach and read if from cover to cover, and let God speak to you. You will find every story is a reference to Yeshua. Then read the Apostles writings, which you will find very Jewish...and you will see that Yeshua had wisdom beyond man's wisdom, that He was holy, that He was righeous and finally, that He is God who laid down HIs life to overcome sin and death. He was raised as a first fruit of the resurrection, so we too shall be raised..

God is one ( echad-composite unity). The only way to make a people for Himself was to redeem us Himself. We are all like sheep who have gone astray and need redemption. God said He would put His Torah on our hearts and through Yeshua He does this...

....and even if you don't read this comment, that's okay, maybe someone else on the blog will read it and be encouraged.

In the meantime, I'm praying for you.

May you have Yeshua's shalom,


Joyce
 
Hi, everybody.

Just to clarify . . .

The two "anonymous" posters (who also happen to be Catholic) have been posting on Constance's blog for a long time.

Therefore, the label, "troll" does not apply.

Also, they are very much aware that the New Age Movement does not discriminate and has infiltrated both the Catholic
and the Protestant churches.

Therefore, the label "hypocrite" also does not apply.
 
Gee, I guess we all wonder who those 2 "anonymous" posters are..anyone want to venture a guess?
 
ANONYMOUS
Anonymous means just that. For all you know there may be 17 anonymous posters. Can you spell WITCH HUNT?

It's this kind of nonsense and some posting suppositions rather than factual information that keeps others from posting here.

Go over to Fulfilled Prophecy where the terms of posting are belief in Protestant Christianity and be happy.

Dorothy
 
Anonymous 10:55

Hmmmmmm...let's try and smoke 'em out. What do you think?
 
Who died and made you the religious policeman of the blog?

ANONYMOUS ( in caps)
 
Dorothy,

Heb. 4:12 For athe word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged dsword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and fable to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Joyce
 
excuse my software that is "able" not "fable"

Just want to be clear...Joyce
 
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