Wednesday, February 22, 2006
Holland is a complicated country. Its Queen Wilhelmina was a supporter of Theosophical Society sponsored Jiddhu Krishnamurti in his heyday as the supposed new world ‘messiah.’ It was believed that he was the vessel for “Maitreya”. The Theosophists had their world camp Ommen in that country as well as a castle to house the messiah-apparent in appropriate splendor.
In World War II, the Nazis used Camp Ommen as a concentration camp. When Javier Solana had difficulties in Spain, it was reported that Dutch connections were used initially to help him leave that country. Eventually he gained a Fulbright scholarship and studied in the USA, but the bulk of his undergraduate and graduate education was away from Spain.
The Netherlands had a well deserved reputation as the New Age capital of the world. It had staunch Christian opposition to it as well. My own book, THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF THE RAINBOW: THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT AND OUR COMING AGE OF BARBARISM is translated into the Dutch language and reportedly sold well in the Netherlands and its outlying territories. Corrie Ten Boom, one of my favorite writers hailed from Holland and spent time in a Nazi concentration camp, barely escaping execution there. Later she encountered one of her Nazi jailers and struggled with forgiveness issues before accepting him as a brother in Christ. Her book, THE HIDING PLACE, may be must reading for what may well be facing us as the New World Order with its various snoopervisory mechanisms continues its inexorable advance.
My personal opinion about the Danish anti-Muslim cartoons is that they were insensitive and somewhat akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater. The results were perfectly predictable. Long knowing the New Age slogan, “crisis = opportunity,” I have frankly suspected the motives of those putting the cartoons in the game. Further knowing the Alice Bailey cum Peter LeMesurier strategy of pitting “massed forces of the Old Age” against each other, I am beginning to suspect there have been real rats in this woodpile. Christians were slaughtered by Moslems in anti-cartoon riots in Nigeria this past weekend. Now today, I read that Christians were slaughtering Moslems in anti-Islamic riots there. Hmmm??????? Do I smell mounting justification for a campaign for a New World Religion? Hmmmm? No doubt, I’m reading too much into this. Don’t I wish!
Now it looks like another EU power struggle is in the making. Dutch Foreign Minister Bot has leveled sharp public criticism against Javier Solana for making an EU apology for the cartoons. The Dutch, per Bot, don't approve of the apology. Cristina Gallach, Javier Solana’s spokesperson says he is hoping the UN can find a way to outlaw “insensitive religious criticism.”
I’m certainly not for blasphemy. Neither am I for religious insensitivity. The European Union has in the past construed public criticism of its leadership as "blasphemy." I rather suspect Javier Solana thinks I am guilty of blasphemy -- against him! What about his sensitivities for others? I remember well back in early 2003 when Javier Solana with great ease ridiculed the USA and its residents for being “too religiously driven.” With great scorn he pointed out that we had “In God We Trust” on the dollar. “Can you imagine ‘in God we Trust’ on the Euro”, he said. “In Europe we are more secular.”
Maybe his anticlerical religious training was so deficient that he could not recognize the religious buttons he was pushing by:
a) Using the unfinished tower of babel as EU aspiration sloganry;
b) Naming his power-increasing Western European Union bill “Recommendation 666”;
c) Participating in the marginalization of Italy’s Rocco Buttiglione, so as to exclude him from EU leadership in EU President Barroso’s cabinet;
I don’t pretend to know all that is in the mind of Javier Solana, but I certainly can see that he has taken full advantage of the crisis. It has been an opportunity for him to tour the Middle East and lay out European mea culpas.
Here’s what I see shaping up and where this is going.
The war is now as it was in 1995 for Javier Solana and company on all ‘religious fundamentalism’ – worldwide.
A crisis was needed to shape the battlelines against religious fundamentalism. The cartoon crisis presents a very dandy one!
One is allowed to have a religion in the New World Order.
One is not, however, allowed to believe it is true.
One is not allowed to tell others it is true, unless one is into something New Agey and exotic, i.e., Rev. Moon is the Messiah, Sai Baba is a savior, Osho is a spiritual teacher. If you are into those pursuits and want to talk about it, that is called DIALOGUE. If one believes that Jesus is the Christ and wants to talk about it, that is called PROSELYTIZING. As Gina Cerminara bragged in her 1980s books and correspondence, it is basically a game of general semantics.
Well, it appears that Javier Solana has been challenged by one of his European foreign minister underlings. Whose crisis? Whose opportunity? Meaningful? Meaningless? It will be very interesting to see how it plays out. I’m inclined so far to put my money on Javier Solana, but who knows? As friend Herb Peters says, stay tuned!
 See Peter LeMesurier, THE ARMAGEDDON SCRIPT, St. Martin’s Press, New York (1981), page 237. In describing their action plan he writes, “The massed forces of the Old Age, however, will be unable to check their headlong onrush. In large measure they will go on to destroy each other in a massive, mutual venting of long pent-up aggression . . .” LeMesurier’s book was originally published by Thule Press of the very New Age oriented Findhorn Foundation and then by Element Press of Great Britain.
 For the Alice Bailey strategy, see for example the following from her book, THE RAYS AND THE INITIATIONS (Lucis Press originally known as Lucifer Press): “There are certain areas of evil in the world today through which these forces of darkness can reach humanity. What they are and where they are I do not intend to say. I would point out, however, that Palestine should no longer be called the Holy Land; its sacred places are only the passing relics of three dead and gone religions. The spirit has gone out of the old faiths and the true spiritual light is transferring itself into a new form which will manifest on earth eventually as the new world religion. To this form all that is true and right and good in the old forms will contribute, for the forces of right will withdraw that good, and incorporate it in the new form. Judaism is old, obsolete and separative and has no true message for the spiritually-minded which cannot be better given by the newer faiths; the Moslem faith has served its purpose and all true Moslems await the coming of the Imam Mahdi who will lead them to light and to spiritual victory; the Christian faith also has served its purpose; its Founder seeks to bring a new Gospel and a new message that will enlighten all men everywhere. Therefore, Jerusalem stands for nothing of importance today, except for that which has passed away and should pass away. The "Holy Land" is no longer holy, but is desecrated by selfish interests, and by a basically separative and conquering nation.
The task ahead of humanity is to close the door upon this worst and yet secondary evil and shut it in its own place. There is enough for humanity to do in transmuting planetary evil without undertaking to battle with that which the Masters Themselves can only keep at bay, but  cannot conquer. The handling of this type of evil and its dissipation, and therefore the release of our planet from its danger, is the destined task of Those Who work and live in "the center where the Will of God is known," at Shamballa; it is not the task of the Hierarchy or of humanity. Remember this, but remember also that what man has loosed he can aid to imprison; this he can do by fostering right human relations, by spreading the news of the approach of the spiritual Hierarchy, and by preparing for the reappearance of the Christ." See http://laluni.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/rays/rays1283.html
This will be very interesting as it plays out. I suspect Solana will come out smelling like a rose in time to bring the group back together for 2007.
Submitted by RichInMedford
Love in Christ
"In my talk last week, A Forgotten Chapter: Holland Under the Third Reich I stated that 70% of the Jews in Holland perished in the Holocaust. This 70% figure represents the highest loss in any country occupied by the Germans in western Europe. In my talk today I will try to explain why the percentage in Holland was just so high as it was. "
Although there are explanations for this as Holland was attempting to be neutral and a place for refugees from Germany, nevertheless there has been little in the way of understanding the role theosophy played in Holland at that time.
Another aspect of the connection between Holland and the Theosophists can be found in the Theosophical-connected Liberal Catholic Church, a history of which can be found in many places on the internet.
Today Holland is a leader in the growing euthanasia movement. In addition, just recently forced abortion for unwanted children was proposed in Holland. It looks to me like a throwback to the eugenics movement played out in the early years of the Nazi movement.
This might be a good place to call attention to a website that provides comprehensive basic information on the esoteric activity taking place around the world.
Those demons dominating EUdemonism must be messing with the minds of the people in Brussels.
Comment from: Pam [Member]
I'm glad someone besides me is keeping an eye on little Javier. He is a facinating and somewhat ghostly fellow who's name seems to pop up everywhere but never too visibly. He seems to be always at the sidelines but never the central focus.
"One thing that I've read about him and did not see mentioned here is that he was awarded the Cross Of Isabela. That was shocking to me as it is the cross of the inquisition...
So to learn more about that I found,
"The Cross of Isabella "the Catholic" is in reference to Isabella and her husband Ferdinand (known together as "the Catholic kings"), remembered for initiating the Inquisition in 1478, for completing the reconquest of Spain from the Moors and for their ruthless expulsion of the Spanish Jews, both in 1492."
Now to bring it into the present.
From the above mentioned bio:
"Solana was born on July 14, 1942 as Javier Solana de Madariaga in Madrid, Spain. On his maternal side, he is the grandson of famous Spanish diplomat/writer Salvador de Madariaga (1886-1978)."
a 178 letter url or
tiny url, http://tinyurl.com/b9tnr
where we find aljazeerah quoting Salvador de Madariaga.
"No less an authority than Salvador de madariaga, one of modern Spain's leading intellectuals, holds to the view that the peculiar intolerance of the Spanish Inquisition can be traced, in part, to the presence of Jewish converts in its highest ranks." That with other very nasty comments.
And with this kind of history, knowledgeable Israelis know where they stand with Solana.
I'm totally in agreement with the thoughts that the cartoons were released with a purpose. I'm also suspecting that the election of Hamas in Palestine is playing into Solana's schemes. March is going to be an interesting month. I'm closely watching events in Iraq. I'm picturing our troops needing to pull out under some strong fire. I well remember the quick withdrawal in Viet Nam where many escaped to airplanes that were being barraged. We are being weakened and subdued in very clever ways. It's time to put on our armor and be aware that we are not fighting against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers. But we DO have weapons. We better get them polished.
Submitted by RichInMedford
Originally proposed by Spain and Turkey, both of which have contributed funding, the Alliance was announced by Annan in July as a kind of one-year talking shop to ease tension between Islamic nations and the West. In a Sept. 2 letter soliciting money for the Alliance from member states, Annan described the program more generally as an initiative meant to bridge the divides “between different cultures and religions.”
Quoted from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176362,00.html
Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan "No one should be 'free' to attack Muhammad.”
Countries that ''cannot accept Turkey in the EU are those who oppose an alliance of civilizations,'' Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Monday.
''They will have to pay the price,'' Erdogan said. ''An alliance of civilizations is a must if the EU wants to be a global power, if it wants to prevent a clash of civilizations.
Anan, “…freedom of speech is never absolute…”
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov
The danger of terrorism is that "it seeks to use the unresolved problems for making people of different confessions and cultures clash," the Russian foreign minister pointed out. According to him, in this connection Moscow "welcomes the initiative of Spain and Turkey to form the Alliance of civilizations."
Submitted by RichInMedfordWI
If only I could plan our household budget as efficiently as the one-worlders plan the crises they use to advance their goals!
I look forward to following the lead you gave.
On both sides the interaction between Islam and the West is seen as a clash of civilizations. The West's "next confrontation," observes M. J. Akbar, an Indian Muslim author, "is definitely going to come from the Muslim world. It is in the sweep of the Islamic nations from the Maghreb to Pakistan that the struggle for a new world order will begin." http://www.alamut.com/subj/economics/misc/clash.html
I found this author while reading about the cartoon on Pravda’s web site (folks, I’m not a communist; I just read many perspectives.) I see that Amazon.com has a book written by Huntington called The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order. Why does Erdogan’s quote and Huntington’s material seem so related? I think I’m going to order the book. It will be interesting to see if the book offers a solution to the problem.
Submitted by RichInMedfordWI
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Alliance for Civilizations. On 27 November 2005, the High-level Group for the Alliance of. Civilizations launched its first meeting in Palma de Mallorca, ...
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http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0009/000928/092837fb.pdf ... to foster respect and dialogue among cultures -- the Office of the Alliance for Civilizations. ...
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"The initiative is intended to respond to the need for a committed effort by the international community -- both at the institutional and civil society levels -- to bridge divides and overcome
prejudice, misconceptions, misperceptions, and polarization which potentially threaten world peace. The Alliance will aim to address emerging threats emanating from hostile perceptions that foment violence, and to bring about cooperation among various efforts to heal such divisions."
What do you think?
"Sorry, the page you are looking for at www.ohchr.org has not been found." I hope that you have a copy saved.
I believe you are exactly right—the cartoons are even mentioned here. I’m troubled (but not surprised) as I read “freedom of religion” and “limitations” and “stricter regulation” within the same sentence. Also troubling is that they intend to rewrite our text books. I’m sure the Bible will be fall into that category, but more likely outright forbidden. It looks like we’re going to need to stay strong as this thing seems to be unfolding exponentially. God bless everyone.
Brother in Christ, RichInMedford
Fortunately, I archive EVERYTHING. Email my box privately at email@example.com and I'll do what I can to get it to you, but first, did you try the cache feature of Google. I have found that these people play a lovely game of now you see us, now you don't -- or what Marilyn Ferguson, the New Age author described as self-camouflaging networks."
All ten virgins were sleeping. All ten eventually woke up. Five had enough oil in their lamp -- five did not. Folks, it is time to go oil shopping!
The White Rose, Leaflet One http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/
The new world order proponents have learned well from their last attempt. They will not make the same mistake twice. This time they will effortlessly identify resistance. Does this mean we should not resist as the White Rose did? I say not. This time our goals must be different—to alert people, as Constance put it, to go oil shopping.
lgf has a piece with comments on the Alliance today, Sunday. A lot of things get put up there, so if you are looking at this during the week, you might have to scroll down to the Kofi headlined piece.
The muslims know this as this is all part of their plan. Same with the attacks on oil plants in Saudi Arabia. Using only one or two cars for such an operation was clearly an initial test for more later.
I received this email from a friend who has contacts in Israel.
Sheikh Ismail Nawahda, preaching to Moslem masses on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem on Friday, has brought it out into the open: the call to restore the Moslem Khalifate, or, "Genuine Islamic Rule."
A plan for the "Return of the Khalifate" was published secretly in 2002 by a group called "The Guiding Helper Foundation." The group explained that it wished to "give direction to the educated Muslim populace in its increasing interest in the establishment of Islam as a practical system of rule."
This past Friday, Feb. 24, however, the plan went public. Sheikh Nawahda called publicly for the renewal of the Islamic Khalifate, which would "unite all the Moslems in the world against the infidels."
The Khalifate system features a leader, known as a Khalif, who heads worldwide Islam. Assisted by a ten-man council, his decisions are totally binding on all Moslems.
According to the Foundation's vision of the Khalifate, significant punishment can only be meted out for 14 crimes, including "accusing a chaste person of fornication," "not performing the formal prayer," and "not fasting during Ramadan."
The Foundation recommends working to restore the Moslem dictatorship using a system of small groups around the world. The purpose is so that the "enemies of Islam" who "will definitely try to stop us" will have a "much harder task, if not impossible, if they are faced with a myriad of small groups of differing locations, ethnicities," etc. This method also "ensures that if one group... is found and cut off, other similar groups will remain undetected."
Sheikh Nawahda reminded his Temple Mount audience that the first step taken by Muhammed in stabilizing his rule was to form the nucleus of the first Islamic country in the city of Medina. Nawahda also said that the status of Moslems around the world has dropped drastically ever since the collapse of the last Khalifate in 1924, after Turkey became a democratic republic.
Nawahda called upon the Arabs of the Palestinian Authority to rise above their personal and party interests, and said that Moslems must return to Islam and join forces in the struggle against the West. He praised the worldwide protests against the anti-Muhammed cartoons, and encouraged the Moslem public to continue such activities. He implied that those who insulted Muhammed are liable for death. The Sheikh designated the Moslem masses as a strong point that can be utilized in the fight against the West.
Now there is an article out by the Washipost claiming that Osama bin Laden is living well and being protected in Pakistan with growing numbers of Al Qaeda followers.
Russia has gone ahead and made an agreement with Iran for their nuclear development without consulting the U.S. or others in the security council. SEE: Russia rescues Tehran from UN Security Council penalties
We must remember that it is a Russia/Persian alliance that will attack Israel. China also has much to lose if Iran is sanctioned, which seems doubtful for now.
Iran has suddenly gained the time they need to finish their nukes as this will need much dialog in the coming weeks and months.
The only thing missing to create this new "Alliance of Civilizations" is a global emergency or another war in the middle east between Islam, Christianity and Judaism.
It will happen soon enough and time is running short to get our spiritual health in order for the strength of faith we need.
I think there is little doubt that the world is on a path to destiny.
Doha, Qatar, 26 February 2006 - STATEMENT BY THE SECRETARY-GENERAL AT THE OPENING SESSION OF THE SECOND MEETING OF THE HIGH-LEVEL GROUP FOR THE ALLIANCE OF CIVILIZATIONS
Lead gotten from lgf.
One of the problems that I see is too many people at both EUreferendum and LGF just laugh at what is going on, not realizing that those in power do not care what the average person thinks. The Alliance may be a worthless organization, but it took the time to set it up. The question is why. What is the purpose behind the Alliance? What do they plan to bring forth and how can it be headed off?
I suspect that we’ll start to hear the buzz phrases “alliance of civilizations,” and “clash of civilizations” introduced into the mainstream fairly soon. This, I believe, will be one component used to ultimately justify genocide, as "clash" and "alliance" indicate separation(with separation being defined as evil). One other major component that is already firmly rooted within our society is the doctrine of transcendence. In “The Nazi Doctors, Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide,” Robert Lifton wrote that people believing the promise of transcendence will kill or, at least, sanction killing. I would like to quote exactly here, but do not have the book available as I write. I am certain though that I have accurately stated what he has said.
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I just found this very interesting in light of everything going on.
Here is a noteworthy article "Europe Launches Its Rival to GPS" http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/1641/2005/12/29/Zt65@39619.htm
"An Evaluation of the Military Benefits of the Galileo System"
The new version of the EU report blatantly contradicted one of the key conclusions of the original. Acknowledging that some of the perpetrators were young Muslims and "people of North African origin," the revised report stated that the largest group of perpetrators of anti-Semitic activities appeared to be young, disaffected white Europeans influenced by extreme right ideas on Jews. This statement contradicted the original study's findings that in 2002 "the percentage [of anti-Semitic activities] attributable to the extreme right was only nine per cent." The findings of the original EU report have since been corroborated by the US State Department Report on Global Anti-Semitism, issued on January 5, 2005, as well as by the ADL's survey of "Attitudes Toward Jews in Twelve European Countries," independently prepared by First International Resources, LLC and issued on May 5, 2005...."
from: "Pipeline to Peril
How Europe’s surrender in the face of the 1973 oil embargo turned the continent against Israel and set off a wave of violence against Jews by Richard L. Rubenstein"
I get the feeling here that Constance, et. al. think all Jews are good and innocent people, the state of Israel is heroic and above reproach, and Zionism is beyond questioning.
Constance, you have surely uncovered in your research how Theosophy, Freemasonry, new age, and Satanism, etc., draws from the mysticism of the Jewish Kabbalah, from which we get the word 'cabal', which means a conspiratorial core or nexus.
Why do you ignore this key element in understanding?
A little scripture review is in order:
When did Jesus tell the Jews they would not see him again until?
Until they said, "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord".
Have the majority of the Jews seen Jesus yet?
Guess not. Why not? Because they still reject their own Messiah.
And who did Jesus say they WILL receive?
Someone who comes in his own name. (But not only the Jews, but everyone who rejects the One who came in the name of the Lord, will receive someone who comes in his own name.)
And who is the Anti-christ?
"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:22-23
So, does the State of Israel have a special relationship with God? If so, on what basis?
The State of Israel does not in any way represent the people of God. It is just a political structure like every other state. It has no viable claim to being institued by God, but rather, by the will of man.
Do the Jews have a special claim to our allegience?
The unbelieveing Jews are not the 'seed' of Abraham. (If you contest this, then go study what both Jesus and Paul said on the matter.) They are the 'natural' branch that has been cut off because of the sin of unbelief. They now are merely one more of the many 'peoples' of humanity, albeit with a special heritage in their past.
If God chooses to restore the Jews, it will not be until they collectively recognize Jesus as their Messiah. That will not happen until Chist returns, when he will then sovereignly gather Israel into the New Covenant.
Until then, what is the State of Israel now?
I think it is a key part of Satan's attempt to pre-empt God, to create a false kindom of 'god' on earth. A New World Order. By catalyzing a truly global war of crisis to create opportunity. Order out of Chaos. And of course the pretext for a Universal religion.
So far, he has Hal Lindsey and a large portion of fundamental and evangelical Christians buying the con.
This is not 'anti-semitic' rant. I have no animosity toward the Jewish people. This is just presentation of truth vs. fallacy.
The main thing, is do not think that Israel, (or America either for that matter) is God's "most favored nation". Perhaps the truth may be closer to the opposite. Do not think that Israel and her policies are under God's aegis. Do not think that Israel is synonymous with 'good and virtuous, and trustworthy'. Quite the opposite may be closer to the truth.
And especially, do not think that God will bless you because you support Israel, or curse you if you don't. Because of the reasons above, that notion is patently false. And furthermore, it is absolutely proven false by actual fact. Consider: the USA has been supporting Israel pretty much since it's inception. During that time, roughly since the end of WWII, has the USA been more blessed, either spiritually or temporally?
If blessed, then there should be greater righteousness, and increasing love and happiness. Less crime, stronger families. Sound and reliable leader ship and management in government. Greater security and outlook for our future.
Have all these things been generally increasing for the USA over the last 6 decades while we have been Israels staunchest ally?
If not, why not. Obviously, God attaches no special promise to the present State of Israel.
Don't be a rube for the conmen.
Then again you might be a common New Ager posting here using the above tactic. As Constance wrote, the plan is turn the monotheistic groups against each other so that they destroy each other.
Know that we know the Christians as well as Jews are targeted by New Age writers. Your little rant won't work here.
You’ve asked and answered your own question, i.e., What is the State of Isreal now? Answer: A vehicle to bring forth a new world order [paraphrased]. This theory essentially proposes that Isreal is working toward its own destruction. It makes no sense. Although there is truth in the scriptures you quote, the citations do not support the premise. Just to cover a few:
Yes, it is true that Isreal sits in God’s judgement for not recognizing Christ as the Messiah. Jesus told them that much:
Luke 19:43-44: For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side. And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
But Jesus also warned the Jews what to do when He was asked about the sign of His coming.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Does this sound as though God has turned his back on the Jewish people or, rather, could He have a reason for having warned them?
Regarding the United States and its present condition—we have a prophetic piece to fulfill. Yes, we have been blessed. Leviticus 26 speaks of God’s judgements for a sinful nation and we have not yet received those. The writing is on the wall--we will receive judgement. Most likely because we are withdrawing support support for the state of Isreal as well as spiritually pursuing the mysteries. We have placed Isreal into the hands of EU treaties and at times have withheld our support within the UN Security Council.
As for Isreal, and and the question who WILL they receive? I believe that God has answered that most beautifully:
Zechariah 12:10: And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Trenicus, your entry was interesting, but I can’t go along with you on this one.
Submitted by RichInMedford
You seem to think thusly:
1. Jews are born as God’s Chosen People.
2. God expects all people, and especially Christians, to honor and support his Chosen People. He blesses those who do, and curses those who don’t.
3. The State of Israel is the government of the Jewish people and their Promised Land, and is therefore the political representation of the Jews. i.e., the official Government of God’s Chosen People.
4. Therefore, God expects all people, and especially Christians, to uphold and support the State of Israel.
5. Therefore, all true Christians honor and support the Jews, and therefore must of necessity uphold the State of Israel as their Christian duty.
6. Therefore, anyone who does not uphold the State of Israel is manifestly unfaithful to God, a false Christian, and an enemy of the Jewish people. In fact they may likely be described as: anti-semite, New Ager, Muslim, Nazi, Communist, or all of the above.
7. Therefore, anyone who raises concerns that the State of Israel is a Trojan horse, should be denounced, dismissed and disregarded without bothering to disturb one’s acceptance of widely held and promulgated assumptions.
Does this pretty well sum up your thinking? If so, I will leave it to you and the other readers here to evaluate the soundness of the above premises and reasoning structure. But I will give you a little hint: fallacy can be found in each of the 7 statements, beginning with #1.
Excellent summary post! This is as I would have presented it vis a vis God's promises to Israel and prophecies thereto.
"Does Judaism believe that chosenness endows Jews with special rights in the way racist ideologies endow those born into the "right race"? Not at all. The most famous verse in the Bible on the subject of chosenness says the precise opposite: "You alone have I singled out of all the families of the earth. That is why I call you to account for all your iniquities" (Amos 3:2). Chosenness is so unconnected to any notion of race that Jews believe that the Messiah himself will descend from Ruth, a nonJewish woman who converted to Judaism.
Why were the Jews chosen? Because they are descendants of Abraham. And why were Abraham and his descendants given the task of making God known to the world? The Torah never tells us. What God does say in Deuteronomy, is that "it is not because you are numerous that God chose you, indeed you are the smallest of people" (7:7). Because of the Jews' small numbers, any success they would have in making God known to the world would presumably reflect upon the power of the idea of God...."
For six thousand years the community of Jews has continuously carried forth the message of belief in one God and the practice of morality. If they sin, they are punished harder because the communities around them point fingers and attack because the Jewish community is smaller.
You don't like the idea that the Jews were chosen and the land of Israel was given to them? Go argue with God.
6. Therefore, anyone who does not uphold the State of Israel is manifestly unfaithful to God, a false Christian, and an enemy of the Jewish people. In fact they may likely be described as: anti-semite, New Ager, Muslim, Nazi, Communist, or all of the above.
Answer: Obviously you know little about the internal fighting over the present government of Israel. When God promised the land, he didn't guarantee a good government. The Israelis have to work toward and earn their own good government, just as Americans do. God never promised a perpetually good government to Christian Americans or Christians anywhere.
"...anti-semite, New Ager, Muslim, Nazi, Communist..." Yes they do hate Jews and Christians if you bother to check it out. So, pick your side. On which side will you stand?
All religions are not equally valid. Until your own backyard is cleaned up, try staying in it.
When my church leaders started us on the initial 40 Days of Purpose, I read his mega best-seller The Purpose-Driven Life. At first it appears very Christian, especially as he advocates people studying the Word of God. However, what he considers the Word of God should be examined closer. RW believes in using every version of the Bible available. I think he does this to find the exact wording to support every point he makes. When reading his book even more, you get the impression the "Bible" he favors is The Message. I believe The Message is a total distortion of the God's Word. Check out http://www.av1611.org/kjv/mess_bible.html to compare The Message to the King James Version of the Bible. The KJV uses the word "Lord" nearly 8000 times, while the other only uses that word 75 times. The Lord God and the Lord Jesus are usually referred to as "Master God" and "Master Jesus" in The Message. The language in this book is blatantly New Age. This is what Rick Warren considers as the Word of God?
RW has developed something called a Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan that conveniently meet the same goals of the U.N. Millennium Development Plan. (RW has cute little acronyms for just about every concept he teaches.) Check out these two web sites: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/peaceplan.htm and http://www.crossroad.to/charts/millenium-goal-peace.htm to learn more about how big his Purpose-driven movement really is.
Although RW doesn't necessarily say he is part of the New Age Movement (and in The Purpose-Driven Life he denounces the New Age belief that we are all gods), he does make some very suspicious associations, especially with Ken Blanchard, the corporate development guru. Here are some web sites to check out for more information on RW's New Age associations: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/PressReleasekenblanchard.htm; http://www.inplainsite.org/html/rick_warren_new_age.html; http://www.deceptioninthechuch.com/warrenquotes.htm; http://www.crossroads.to/articles2/04/smith-deceived_on_purpose.htm
I believe theis movement of Rick Warren would better be entitled as Apostasy-driven. He seems to ignore the fact that the time of the false peace and the Anti-christ is prophesied to come first before the Lord establishes His kingdom. Rick Warren's Purpose-driven nonsense is something that could "fool the very elect." This is the largest apostasy movement of all times and we need to sound an alarm. I'm working up the neve to sound the alarm in my church. I pray they heed my warning.
An EXCELLENT post and I frankly have shared your concerns. I am still personally reading and investigating. I have a link on my blogspot for Herescope and they have researched Rick Warren. It has been his close associations with New Agers that concern me -- maybe his claim is that he is evangelizing, but frankly and currently I am suspicious myself that this might be a BIG SHOVE of evangelicals in the direction of the political agenda of the New Age Movement combined with New World Religion tendencies.
I found a few headlines regarding upcoming Alliance of Civilizations Meetings. Constance, are these meeting minutes usually posted on the UN’s web site? I have ordered the “Clash of Civilizations” and “Dialogue of Civilizations” books as I want to come up to speed with these theories. One thing I've gathered from reading the online descriptions of the works: the “Clash” is described as a “doomsday” presentation which is countered by an alternative, i.e., the “Dialogue." Doesn’t this sound familiar? Consider John's Revelation vs. Hubbard’s “Revelation, Alternative to Armageddon.”
Here are the links:
Cartoons Crisis on Agenda of Alliance of Civilizations Meeting
Alliance of Civilizations' Discusses Cartoon Row
Some of the wording in this one grabbed my attention.
“…Kofi Annan, the United Nations Secretary-General, said the cartoon conflict only triggered the tendency towards radicalism: “Anyone who thinks that someone is radical is actually unwittingly choosing another form of radicalism.” The summit of Wise-men Group ended with the proposition that freedom of thought should not be used to expand feelings of hatred…”
Freedom of thought?
Last article contains some buzz words that make be believe it has Alliance underpinnings.
Berlusconi seeks alliance of democracies:
I don't know why you assume I hate Jews. I don't see anything in my comments that conveys hatred to Jewish people. Even if I did hate Jews, (which I don't) why reduce the dialog to squabbling and insults?
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
The crossroads, deception, and in plain site links don't work. The rest do. The first link regarding the message says it all. You might find it interesting that a Muslim in England posted a huge section from the Mess site as his own work. You can find it and the responses by doing a Google groups advanced search using the first words of the website you linked to.
Now on to your Alliance links.
Thanks. You do good work.
However, to call the Netherlands the Capital of the New Age could come very close. It is indeed so, that the dutch royals are well into the occult, and have nazi ties. The crown prince married one of the ministers of Argentina during the Fidela terror regime there. Bernhard, who was regarded the leader of the Dutch resistance against the nazi's, just after he was an SSmember himself (!), was the founder of the Bilderberger Group.
Yes, the Netherlands are having the dubious honour to be indeed the leaders in what is called euthanazia.
Yes, Constance's book Hidden Dangers was translated and many people know it over here. Because, this here may be new age capital, it is also so that many dutch people are very well aware of what's going on.
However, I do agree with Constance Cumbey concerning the statements on the Netherlands. I hope that people wil pray for this country.
Jetze van der Meulen
Thank you so much for your excellent and thoughtful post. I will try to remember to properly distinguish between "The Netherlands" and "Holland". I always thought the two were synonymous, but I guess I learn something new every day!
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From the BBC World Service, as well as I can remember:
After reporting that German troops had been killed in a bombing in Afghanistan...
"So Roger, why didn't the American military protect the German peacekeepers?"
I just recently learned of Javier Solana. For the last two years I have been focused on PDL Rick Warren. He is one to be watched. I have wondered if he might be the false prophet with his Global P.E.A.C.E. plan which is very similar to the U.N.'s peace plan. Please google Berjit Kujos for an article. Warren is very subtle. He aligns himself closely with people of influence and polital might around the world. He is a self-professed member of the Council of Foreign Relations as well as a guest speaker at the United Nations. This year he met secretly with Syrian leaders and was exposed by Joseph Farrar of World Net Daily. Warren is constantly changing what the letters for his P.E.A.C.E. plan stand for which is very reminicent of George Orwell's 'Animal Farm'. He has written forwards to books that talk positively about outright Lucifer worshippers. Example: Wrote cover recommendation on a Leonard Sweet book. Sweets book promotes David Spangler, an outright worshipper of Lucifer. If anyone knows of ties between RW and Solana, I would like to know. Thank you.
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